**Offical 2015-16 NFL Week 12 Thread - Where Refs Happen**

[Ferzerp]

I think that one guy who feels his identity is threatened because his preferred football team lost a game has made me less intelligent from reading his posts.

 

[dainthomas]

Another bonus of seeing the Pats lose is watching this turn into an emperus cry-fest/ownage thread.

 

[emperus]

Another bonus of seeing the Pats lose is watching this turn into an emperus cry-fest/ownage thread.

You have an interesting definition of ownage. It seems like most of the people here crying and complaining the loudest are not Pats fans. The Pats are 10-1 and sit atop the AFC east. They are doing pretty well. You should feel silly gloating that the Pats lost 1 game.

I think most rational people (and those who aren't even Pats fans) thought the officiating last night was one sided.

What is odd to me is people who purport to be intelligent can't seem to differentiate between bad officiating and one sided officiating. Bad officiating is generally bad on both sides. The ticky tack calls made last night seemed to occur for only one team.

What's even more hilarious is this is from a Seattle fan who seems to get the benefit of one sided officiating. (like that imaginary roughing the passer call against Wilson on Sunday).

 

[emperus]

because that is how the cookie crumbles sometimes? shit happens, sometimes teams get more calls than the other team. there could be penalties called on every play in the nfl but they aren't.

i'm a fan of the team that always has calls against them. hell even a defensive player last week flat out came out and said he thinks they get shitty calls because of their team name. while i think he is a cry baby bitch for saying that, he did. do i agree with it? no, it's just that sometimes calls go one way or the other.

the redskins had what has been arguably the WORST call in the nfl this season. this gem right here.

https://twitter.com/ChadwikoRCC/status/668504215547834368

this was a 14 point swing in the game because that was picked off and returned for a touchdown, but called back for a personal foul on that hit. but i'm sure you probably have no clue about this since you are in your patriots bubble.

I know a thing or two about bad calls against my team. i just don't cry about them and blame the bad calls on the loss like you guys do.

the pats fans posts in this thread is a prime example of why many people hate on the patriots.

Honestly, the stuff you write befuddles me it's lack of insight. Again, no one is arguing that there has been bad officiating. The argument esp. last night is that there has been one-sided officiating. I hope you undertand the difference.

Ex. Gronkowski has been called for 8% of all OPI calls in the league. That should be an eye opening stat.

 

[BUTCH1]

because that is how the cookie crumbles sometimes? shit happens, sometimes teams get more calls than the other team. there could be penalties called on every play in the nfl but they aren't.

i'm a fan of the team that always has calls against them. hell even a defensive player last week flat out came out and said he thinks they get shitty calls because of their team name. while i think he is a cry baby bitch for saying that, he did. do i agree with it? no, it's just that sometimes calls go one way or the other.

the redskins had what has been arguably the WORST call in the nfl this season. this gem right here.

https://twitter.com/ChadwikoRCC/status/668504215547834368

this was a 14 point swing in the game because that was picked off and returned for a touchdown, but called back for a personal foul on that hit. but i'm sure you probably have no clue about this since you are in your patriots bubble.

I know a thing or two about bad calls against my team. i just don't cry about them and blame the bad calls on the loss like you guys do.

the pats fans posts in this thread is a prime example of why many people hate on the patriots.

That was not a "bad" call, you CANNOT lead into a hit with a forearm to the head. Some Ref crews call everything and last night's game was one of those crews but it should go both ways. Chung gets a holding flag for touching the shoulder pad of a Denver receiver yet Lafelle CLEARLY has his arm hooked from behind on the first play in overtime by Talib and cannot make the catch, no flag. It's rare when Steven Smith and Skip Bayless agree on anything but both agreed the Penalties called on the Pats last night were of the "bogus" variety, link. Now with all that said, I DO give credit to the Broncos for making huge plays in the 4th quarter AND the Ref's had nothing to do with Harper muffing a routine punt catch that changed the whole momentum for the game. Bill B was so pissed he shit-canned Harper back to the practice squad this AM. If we can get enough guys back for the playoff's I think we can beat Denver.

 

[BUTCH1]

Another bonus of seeing the Pats lose is watching this turn into an emperus cry-fest/ownage thread.

It's all good, our "bonus" will come when Carolina or Arizona or Minnesota blows the Seahawks out of the playoff's, that's if the Seahawks even MAKE the playoff's.

 

[emperus]

This is the kind of thing a lot of people are talking about. Mind you there is a ref right behind the QB. How can a ref not call this on that final touch down play, yet make all those other ticky tack calls.

https://vine.co/v/ia9zz5Y11xU

 

[BUTCH1]

One of us is a middle school level, Patriot fanboy sycophant who has repeatedly made himself look stupid in this thread. Hint: it's not me. 😉



Apparently, you don't realize that it's the core mission of sports commentators to look for any form of controversy and ride it for all its worth . . . because it's clickbait for their most loyal audience, hysterical middle school fanboys like you. 🙄

Like the bell ringer in Pavlov's lab, it's their damn job, the only reason they're relevant. And, right on cue, you salivate up a storm. Don't you see what an easily manipulated, fanboy tool you've become? At least try not to get any on 'ya, k?

After all this analysis, what's your bottom-line conclusion? We already know it's not the sober, obvious fact that purbeast told you -- "every game every weekend has questionable calls. [...] everyone in the league is dealing with it. shitty officiating has been a topic every week since week 1 this year." -- which you dismissed outright!

So, what is it? Again, I'm asking you. What's your alternative conclusion? That there's some corrupt, league wide, referee enforced conspiracy against NE?

Get a fucking grip, you really are embarrassing yourself.

I see your well-reasoned out point but consider this, Goodell was made a laughingstock by Brady's lawyers and and a wise old Judge, this is also a man who KNOWINGLY let false PSI figures "leaked" to ESPN then was caught lying more than once about the Brady suspension, the Rice fiasco, ect. Are we supposed to believe his integrity is so beyond reproach he would not have a "conversation" with someone to make sure the Pats get rung-up in a game?. I can't say it is or isn't, but one has to imagine the thought of handing another Lombardi to Brady and Co. would be his worst nightmare come true.

 

[gorcorps]

This is the kind of thing a lot of people are talking about. Mind you there is a ref right behind the QB. How can a ref not call this on that final touch down play, yet make all those other ticky tack calls.

https://vine.co/v/ia9zz5Y11xU

It was snowing, he was cold and wanted to go home. Duh

I actually noticed that live and figured flag was incoming, but nope.

*shrugs* Shit happens, move on. I get the gripes about penalties (I'd be pissed too if it went the other way), but those using players being injured as an excuse is ridiculous when you're playing against a BACKUP QB PLAYING THE SECOND NFL GAME HE'S EVER STARTED IN HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE.

I don't want to hear another thing about how the injuries affected this game. Both teams were playing with some pretty substantial handicaps.

 

[purbeast0]

Honestly, the stuff you write befuddles me it's lack of insight. Again, no one is arguing that there has been bad officiating. The argument esp. last night is that there has been one-sided officiating. I hope you undertand the difference.

Ex. Gronkowski has been called for 8% of all OPI calls in the league. That should be an eye opening stat.

i responded to your "they are against the pats" cry in my very first sentence. start reading everything instead of cherry picking what you want to talk about before you call me out on your addressing it.

as for your example, jordan reed has the 2nd most offensive holding penalties in the nfl and he's not even a line man. he's a tight end. he has 6. the one above him has 8 and is a tackle. in fact, the next non-line person who is on the list only has 3 holds.

OH KNOW THERE MUST BE A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE REDSKINS TIGHT END!! WAH WAH WAH!!!

also, the pats are dead in the middle of the pack as far as total penalties go against them. but the only explanation is there is a conspiracy against them. yep, that is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[glenn1]

It was snowing, he was cold and wanted to go home. Duh

I actually noticed that live and figured flag was incoming, but nope.

*shrugs* Shit happens, move on. I get the gripes about penalties (I'd be pissed too if it went the other way), but those using players being injured as an excuse is ridiculous when you're playing against a BACKUP QB PLAYING THE SECOND NFL GAME HE'S EVER STARTED IN HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE.

I don't want to hear another thing about how the injuries affected this game. Both teams were playing with some pretty substantial handicaps.

The backup is better than the starter so Osweiler is better called an upgrade than handicap. With you on the guys they lost mid-game though, as much as it sucks to lose a Dion Lewis or Edelman it's still worse to have the backup come in cold while losing to boot.

 

[purbeast0]

That was not a "bad" call, you CANNOT lead into a hit with a forearm to the head. Some Ref crews call everything and last night's game was one of those crews but it should go both ways. Chung gets a holding flag for touching the shoulder pad of a Denver receiver yet Lafelle CLEARLY has his arm hooked from behind on the first play in overtime by Talib and cannot make the catch, no flag. It's rare when Steven Smith and Skip Bayless agree on anything but both agreed the Penalties called on the Pats last night were of the "bogus" variety, link. Now with all that said, I DO give credit to the Broncos for making huge plays in the 4th quarter AND the Ref's had nothing to do with Harper muffing a routine punt catch that changed the whole momentum for the game. Bill B was so pissed he shit-canned Harper back to the practice squad this AM. If we can get enough guys back for the playoff's I think we can beat Denver.

he wasn't leading with a forearm to the head. he was leading with his arms to the offenders chest, but the offender dipped his head down to brace for impact. it was a TERRIBLE call. in real time it looks even worse because it wasn't even a hard impact play AT ALL.

again, shit happens. EVERY team has games where the officiating is lopsided. they happen every week. i don't care which analysts agree with what happened last night, everyone who saw it knows they botched some calls. it happens every week, it's nothing new to last nights game, just like everyone is using injuries as an excuse like the pats are the only team depleted right now. guess many pats fans forgot that the broncos weren't even playing with their starting qb.

 

[gorcorps]

The backup is better than the starter so Osweiler is better called an upgrade than handicap. With you on the guys they lost mid-game though, as much as it sucks to lose a Dion Lewis or Edelman it's still worse to have the backup come in cold while losing to boot.

I agree, he's proven to be one hell of a QB already. That still doesn't change that Denver is on their 2nd QB, and it was only his 2nd game.

 

[Childs]

The backup is better than the starter so Osweiler is better called an upgrade than handicap. With you on the guys they lost mid-game though, as much as it sucks to lose a Dion Lewis or Edelman it's still worse to have the backup come in cold while losing to boot.

He didnt even look good, but I think the fact that he was aggressive and going down field made the Pats respect it, which opened up the run.

 

[TheSlamma]

What is odd to me is people who purport to be intelligent can't seem to differentiate between bad officiating and one sided officiating. Bad officiating is generally bad on both sides. The ticky tack calls made last night seemed to occur for only one team.

Actually what everyone is saying is yes there was bad officiating, just like there is in EVERY NFL game, Sometimes a team gets away with crap, sometimes that same team gets called for stuff they didn't do, the points made a dozen times over and over is that no team is immune for bad calls or from getting away with shit. You are just so fucking hung up on your whiny bitch team that everyone who doesn't completely agree with you must therefor be against you.

Also for the record, you are a complete pussy, your easy schedule team is going to probably be 15-1 and have home field advantage, a wimp kid like you couldn't last 10 minutes being a Browns fan if that has your panties in a bunch. You have no idea what pain and suffering is.

 

[TheSlamma]

The backup is better than the starter so Osweiler is better called an upgrade than handicap. With you on the guys they lost mid-game though, as much as it sucks to lose a Dion Lewis or Edelman it's still worse to have the backup come in cold while losing to boot.

Well.. it kinda helps when the running game goes from 36 yards (Colts) to 161 (Bears)and then 172 (Pats), just sayin'

 

[BUTCH1]

I agree, he's proven to be one hell of a QB already. That still doesn't change that Denver is on their 2nd QB, and it was only his 2nd game.

IIRC he's been with the team for 3-4 years so this was no "grabbed a dude from the wavier-wire" deal. He, (and the rest of the Denver team) seemed to come to life after the muffed punt. It's a mistake you can't make playing on the road against a great team and he made it.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well.. it kinda helps when the running game goes from 36 yards (Colts) to 161 (Bears)and then 172 (Pats), just sayin'

With the slippery conditions it made it hard on both teams to track someone down, we saw it with the Bolden TD and 3-4X when Anderson started scampering around late in the 4th Qtr.

 

[emperus]

as for your example, jordan reed has the 2nd most offensive holding penalties in the nfl and he's not even a line man. he's a tight end. he has 6. the one above him has 8 and is a tackle. in fact, the next non-line person who is on the list only has 3 holds.

OH KNOW THERE MUST BE A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE REDSKINS TIGHT END!! WAH WAH WAH!!!

also, the pats are dead in the middle of the pack as far as total penalties go against them. but the only explanation is there is a conspiracy against them. yep, that is the only thing that makes sense.

Lol.. You are not serious. You see I did % of OPI. That's a better statistic than just number of penalties. lol. Try again.

 

[BUTCH1]

Actually what everyone is saying is yes there was bad officiating, just like there is in EVERY NFL game, Sometimes a team gets away with crap, sometimes that same team gets called for stuff they didn't do, the points made a dozen times over and over is that no team is immune for bad calls or from getting away with shit. You are just so fucking hung up on your whiny bitch team that everyone who doesn't completely agree with you must therefor be against you.

Also for the record, you are a complete pussy, your easy schedule team is going to probably be 15-1 and have home field advantage, a wimp kid like you couldn't last 10 minutes being a Browns fan if that has your panties in a bunch. You have no idea what pain and suffering is.

I wouldn't call the upcoming games against the Jets (in NY) and the Texans (in Hou.) "easy" games at all. Nor would I call Denver's schedule "hard" either, Lions, Browns, (twice), Bears, Colts, are not exactly the "cream of the crop" of the league. emperus was not around during the bad years LOL, when you kicker is Scott "missin" Sission your team sucks. When you need a snowplow to finally beat the Dolphins, your team sucks (although it was fun watching Shula rant LOL). The "pain and suffering" part was watching Tony Eason get the snap and assume the fetal position in a SB. So bad was he that they threw old man Grogan out there. Didn't matter much, 46-13 speaks for itself. It was the worst SB blow-out ever until Denver came around to bail us out by losing 55-10 to the Niner's.

 

[Pocatello]

This is going to be one exciting MNF game, NOT!

 

[TheSlamma]

I wouldn't call the upcoming games against the Jets (in NY) and the Texans (in Hou.) "easy" games at all. Nor would I call Denver's schedule "hard" either, Lions, Browns, (twice), Bears, Colts, are not exactly the "cream of the crop" of the league. emperus was not around during the bad years LOL, when you kicker is Scott "missin" Sission your team sucks. When you need a snowplow to finally beat the Dolphins, your team sucks (although it was fun watching Shula rant LOL). The "pain and suffering" part was watching Tony Eason get the snap and assume the fetal position in a SB. So bad was he that they threw old man Grogan out there. Didn't matter much, 46-13 speaks for itself. It was the worst SB blow-out ever until Denver came around to bail us out by losing 55-10 to the Niner's.

Yeah.. I said Browns though not Broncos 😉 Even 2 blowout SB's don't compare to the pain we Browns fans face, all of our glory came to a dead halt after Jim Brown was done. Heck Pat Bowlin is the winning-est owner in the NFL IIRC so the Broncos have that. So yeah.. wimp kid has ZERO clue what pain is. His pampered fandom couldn't handle 30 second of Browns curse.

 

[TheSlamma]

This is going to be one exciting MNF game, NOT!

Yes, Frowns vs old Frowns.. thanks for salting it. 😛 😉

 

[purbeast0]

OMG!

DID YOU GUYS JUST SEE THE PHANTOM HOLDING CALL ON THE BROWNS?

NFL CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE BROWNS.

/caps

 

[BUTCH1]

Yeah.. I said Browns though not Broncos 😉 Even 2 blowout SB's don't compare to the pain we Browns fans face, all of our glory came to a dead halt after Jim Brown was done. Heck Pat Bowlin is the winning-est owner in the NFL IIRC so the Broncos have that. So yeah.. wimp kid has ZERO clue what pain is. His pampered fandom couldn't handle 30 second of Browns curse.

What I don't get is they must get good draft picks every year, has it been a streak of people just not being able to make the adjustment to the NFL?