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Off topic thread-derail stuff that was mistakenly posted in VC&G

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Man alot of AMD owners insecure and angry here. I mean it was ok when people where saying why get a 570 when you can get a 6950 and unlock it and get same performance but if you overclock a 560 to get there its wrong? Gotta admit 6000 series is kinda disappointing their top card competes with 500 series 2nd fastest. To top it off you have a refresh vs new architecture. 2gb saves these cards from being worthless.
 
load81 said:
Man alot of AMD owners insecure and angry here..
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Maybe you should actually, you know, read the discussion instead of concluding that it is:

a) AMD Owners (FALSE) getting "angry) because,
b) AMD's flagship single gpu card is slower (and cheaper) than Nvidia's flagship single gpu card.

That's a ridiculous interpretation of the point that has been made many times, by a number of different people, who own Nvidia hardware. Thanks!
 
Wreckage said:
Go read the 560 reviews thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2137991

It all sounds like damage control. If only they could do it without insulting everyone it would not be so bad.

Generally when a thread makes AMD look bad they will act like this to get the thread locked.
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Come on Wreckage. There are fanboys on both sides who get up in arms in these threads. Both willing to defend their team to the death. The video forum is probably a lot like a football forum.

As others have pointed out the games tested and methodology used are rather lacking. It would be the same if someone did a review with only a few games in which AMD performs very well and tested at 2560x1600 8xAA to conclude that a 6950 = SLI GTX 560s. Reviews can be twisted to say what you want, much like the one in the OP.
**Note - I am not implying Computer Base is biased at all, merely that depending on the games and resolution tested you can make generalized conclusions that wouldn't reflect real life. Unfortunately this happens a lot on this forum.
 
Keysplayr said:
Is that why they do this?
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Oh, come on, keys, fanboys from both camps have been doing this for years. And wreckage is probably one of the worst.


Member callouts are not acceptable...you know better than to name names.

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Keysplayr said:
Is that why they do this?
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I would think you would want to help defuse situations like this instead of adding fuel to the fire with comments like "Is that why they do this"?


Why is this personal message not being communicated as a personal message?

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bryanW1995 said:
Oh, come on, keys, fanboys from both camps have been doing this for years. And wreckage is probably one of the worst.
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It was rhetorical. :hmm:

At any rate, these threads are somewhat pointless other than to generate flamewars. Some folks get their rocks off this way. Not saying this is what motivated Castiel to create this thread, but that is the reason more often than not. Until we are allowed segregated forums, this is how it will always be. I am for that btw.


This has nothing to do with the thread topic.

While the discussion you are pursuing may have merit, the venue is not appropriate. PFI, Suggestion Box, Moderator Discussions...all vastly more appropriate venues versus lobbing this line of thought into the middle of a thread in a technical forum.

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well, at least we knew what we were getting into when we read the thread title... It's not like he wrote "I love rainbows because they're pretty, please discuss".
 
Keysplayr said:
It was rhetorical. :hmm:

At any rate, these threads are somewhat pointless other than to generate flamewars. Some folks get their rocks off this way. Not saying this is what motivated Castiel to create this thread, but that is the reason more often than not. Until we are allowed segregated forums, this is how it will always be. I am for that btw.
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How will you segregate a thread that is comparing a NVIDIA card vs a AMD card?
 
load81 said:
Man alot of AMD owners insecure and angry here. I mean it was ok when people where saying why get a 570 when you can get a 6950 and unlock it and get same performance but if you overclock a 560 to get there its wrong? Gotta admit 6000 series is kinda disappointing their top card competes with 500 series 2nd fastest. To top it off you have a refresh vs new architecture. 2gb saves these cards from being worthless.
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Really? Is it that disconcerting to you that somebody has a differing opinion regarding an overpriced video card?
 
GaiaHunter said:
How will you segregate a thread that is comparing a NVIDIA card vs a AMD card?
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In the general video forum. Not the ATI forum or the Nvidia forum. There is a place for everything and will cleanup a considerable amount of the cesspool video has become. Apparently, someone can amass a billion infraction points and still post here.
 
wait... since when is PFI the dumping ground for abandoned VC&G posts?

action the post.... and mod delete it. don't dump it here.

or direct the thread to the recycle bin after.
 
Example.....

A guy posts in the cpu forum about how his 200$ overclocked i7 920 @ 3.8 is a great value compared to his buddies $300 i7 950 @ 4.0 .
The others in the cpu forum say "hey that geat you made a fine choice ,I bet you buddies upset he paid that extra money for about the same performance".

A guy post in the gpu forum "hey there is a 250$ card that can give you 360$ card performance when overclocked.
" Most guys in the video forum say " why is this so great, it uses 5 more watts under load, runs 2c hotter , loses in a few said games by 2%, the review was biased, the games IN the review were biased, ect, ect. ect"

Why might this be?

Why is this bad for the forums?

Example:
A man holding a unemployment check in his hand 🙁 asks his son "what do you want for your birthday", dad I want a card that will run my new game, Jason accross the street got a 6970 and it is cool. Dad goes online at Newegg, and see's the 6970 is $360, looks down at his check and it reads 400$. Dad gets smart and looks on the most popular video forum in the world, here at Anandtech 🙂.
He scrolls down and see's a thread about a cheaper card (gtx560) performing about = to the card thats out of his reach (6970).

Dad reads though the totally derailed thread, gets confused and buys the 6970 anyway.
The father and son eat meatloaf instead of steak that month. 🙁
Son comes down for dinner one night and says, dad jeeeez meatloaf AGAIN, dad says "well that video card was almost 400$" son says, yea my other buddy overclocked his gtx560 and gets about the same speed as me, he said it was 249$.

Dad eating his meatloaf for the 10th time says to himself. Dammit, I'll never go on that forum again.

I know this is an extreme example, but you get the picture.
 
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happy medium said:
Example.....

A guy posts in the cpu forum about how his 200$ overclocked i7 920 @ 3.8 is a great value compared to his buddies $300 i7 950 @ 4.0 .
The others in the cpu forum say "hey that geat you made a fine choice ,I bet you buddies upset he paid that extra money for about the same performance".

A guy post in the gpu forum "hey there is a 250$ card that can give you 360$ card performance when overclocked.
" Most guys in the video forum say " why is this so great, it uses 5 more watts under load, runs 2c hotter , loses in a few said games by 2%, the review was biased, the games IN the review were biased, ect, ect. ect"

Why might this be?

Why is this bad for the forums?

Example:
A man holding a unemployment check in his hand 🙁 asks his son "what do you want for your birthday", dad I want a card that will run my new game, Jason accross the street got a 6970 and it is cool. Dad goes online at Newegg, and see's the 6970 is $360, looks down at his check and it reads 400$. Dad gets smart and looks on the most popular video forum in the world, here at Anandtech 🙂.
He scrolls down and see's a thread about a cheaper card (gtx560) performing about = to the card thats out of his reach (6970).

Dad reads though the totally derailed thread, gets confused and buys the 6970 anyway.
The father and son eat meatloaf instead of steak that month. 🙁
Son comes down for dinner one night and says, dad jeeeez meatloaf AGAIN, dad says "well that video card was almost 400$" son says, yea my other buddy overclocked his gtx560 and gets about the same speed as me, he said it was 249$.

Dad eating his meatloaf for the 10th time says to himself. Dammit, I'll never go on that forum again.

I know this is an extreme example, but you get the picture.
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Unemployed people shouldn't be looking to buy videocards.



Trolling PFI again. You have a short memory. Take a few days off

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30918914&postcount=4

It's best you stay in the nef thread


esquared
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Shortylickens Perspective:

When I first joined it was because this is a tech forum. In fact I joined just to be helpful (can you believe that?). I wanted to help a guy who was confused about TOS link and miniplug. I did that.
Afterwards I ventured out of the hardware areas to OT and P&N, but for a long time I only came here to get and give technical advice. I didnt even share my opinions on games.
At that time Video was a pretty respectable forum. But in the time I've been here its gone up and down a lot. In fact there was an unwritten rule from the mods that anything which went on in there was basically OK.
This has been challenged many times on the basis that its still a technical forum which is the reason for this whole darn website and people should be able to go in there, ask a reasonable question and get solid, experience opinions and facts. They should NOT get pissing contests or worse yet start a whole flame war that has little or nothing to do with video. I support that argument. And when we had the big change of culture here a couple years ago, the mods stated they would be enforcing rules in Video a little more strictly. For a while it seemed to work.

So my question to you guys is............
What happened?
Did you keep pushing it and the mods finally got sick of dealing with you?
Or was it going so well they decided it was alright to ease off a bit?
 
Video has always been a tinderbox waiting for the spark. There's always been a gang of flints and a gang of stones going from thread to thread. The Good Old Days were not Peace and Harmony, they were, "Nvidia Sucks and 3dfx Kicks Ass!"
 
i don't know why this is so hard. you go off topic, you get a 24 hour vacation. you insult another member in your response, you get a 24 hour vacation. if you want to bicker and post nonsense do it in p&n, that's what it is for. or off topic. the tech forums should be for tech talk. if it means slowing that area down for a bit, so be it. either people who can contribute will fill in the gaps, or people will stop acting like assholes.
 
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