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PliotronX

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edro

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If we like the pronunciation, it should be spelled "uv".

Uv course, English doesn't follow common sense. It has evolved many times.
 

z1ggy

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If we like the pronunciation, it should be spelled "uv".

Uv course, English doesn't follow common sense. It has evolved many times.

English is a weird language, it makes no sense.

Oval- /ˈōvəl/ which is, "oh-vul"

Oven- /ˈəvən/ which is, "uh-vun/

Over- /ˈōvər/ which is, "oh-vur/

So even words that have the same two first letters, and even the first 3 letters, aren't even pronounced the same. So.. Yeah us English speakers are all sorts of crazy. It's probably why English is so hard to learn. Something like German, even though seems daunting, has mainly one system of pronouncing words. In English there seems to be no rhyme or reason for words that are spelled almost the same to have different pronunciations. It's basically just a matter of pure memorization.
 

PliotronX

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If we like the pronunciation, it should be spelled "uv".

Uv course, English doesn't follow common sense. It has evolved many times.
If we spelled words as they are pronounced, the language would look so ugly.
 

twinrider1

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...should not be pronounced "tuh".

That's the one that bugs me. Especially when professionals, even our President, do that. They drop the O and just sound the T.
 
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z1ggy

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It's normally pronounced "uhv-en", not "uh-vun"

Welp, the little upside down e stands for an "uh" sound, so... if you pronounce it Uhv-en, you're technically not saying it right.

But, like most languages, English also has certain dialects/accents. I know in the northeast, some people pronounce "room" as "rum".
 

crownjules

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It makes no sense because English is basically an assimilation of many languages. It started out as largely Anglo-Saxon Germanic, was infused by French, and borrowed heavily from Latin. And it's continued to assimilate words from all other languages throughout the course of its use.
 

cubby1223

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English is a weird language, it makes no sense.

Oval- /ˈōvəl/ which is, "oh-vul"

Oven- /ˈəvən/ which is, "uh-vun/

Over- /ˈōvər/ which is, "oh-vur/

So even words that have the same two first letters, and even the first 3 letters, aren't even pronounced the same. So.. Yeah us English speakers are all sorts of crazy. It's probably why English is so hard to learn. Something like German, even though seems daunting, has mainly one system of pronouncing words. In English there seems to be no rhyme or reason for words that are spelled almost the same to have different pronunciations. It's basically just a matter of pure memorization.

It's perfectly logical.

All you need to do is remember how bad the English were at defending their lands.

The Celts were around and they lived on the lands. Then the Romans came and conquered, and the Celt language took on Roman influence. Then the Vikings came and conquered, and the language took on Norse influence. Then the Saxons came and conquered, and the language took on German influence. And the French came and conquered, and the language took on French influence.

One English word came from the Germanic language, the next came from French, the next from Latin, etc. That's why it seems there are no rules.
 

destrekor

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Clearly the Oxford Dictionaries (both UK and American) and the American Heritage Dictionary disagree with you entirely.

There is variation in the sound of the opening vowel, but it is presented everywhere with the v ending sound.

Strangely, there was no discussion of pronunciation in Garner's Modern American Usage, at least not in the latest print edition. I don't have an online subscription.