O'Donnell Questioned Evolution

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This just gets better and better:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...l_Scientists_Are_Creating_Mouse-Human_Hybrids
Doesn't believe in evolution, does believe in mice with human brains.

 

[Martin]

This just gets better and better:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...l_Scientists_Are_Creating_Mouse-Human_Hybrids
Doesn't believe in evolution, does believe in mice with human brains.

She was somewhat right - her supporters seem to be humans with the brains of mice.

 

[PJABBER]

Damn, why do I need to explain middle school science on a tech forums?

Because you are in the P&N forum where everyone seems to have failed basic math and science and instead aspired to live indolent lives pontificating on issues of greater or lesser import.

You need to wander over to the Highly Technical forum where the physicists hang out. All we have here are cosmologists.

 

[HumblePie]

She was somewhat right - her supporters seem to be humans with the brains of mice.

So if one is true, then the reverse can be too?

 

[woolfe9999]

Incorrect.
Damn, why do I need to explain middle school science on a tech forums?

Because many people were apparently absent that day, especially many people who seek public office in this country.

- wolf

 

[PJABBER]

This just gets better and better:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...l_Scientists_Are_Creating_Mouse-Human_Hybrids
Doesn't believe in evolution, does believe in mice with human brains.

Man, this girl gets AROUND!

MTV, Maher, running for the U.S. Senate. What next? The Oval Office?

I mean, has anyone other than Delawareans even heard of her before last night?

 

[zinfamous]

Because you are in the P&N forum where everyone seems to have failed basic math and science and instead aspired to live indolent lives pontificating on issues of greater or lesser import.

You need to wander over to the Highly Technical forum where the physicists hang out. All we have here are cosmologists.

Physicists tend to know jack shit about evolution, as well.

 

[Martin]

Man, this girl gets AROUND!

MTV, Maher, running for the U.S. Senate. What next? The Oval Office?

I mean, has anyone other than Delawareans even heard of her before last night?

Finally a suitable running mate for Sarah Palin! Think of the wonders they'll do for America together!

 

[mizzou]

Finally a suitable running mate for Sarah Palin! Think of the wonders they'll do for America together!

*head asplodes*

 

[bfdd]

It's not just creationism vs evolution. Accepting creationism means she completely rejects all science. All radiometric dating is thrown out. Millions of fossils thrown out. Using Doppler shift to estimate the age of the universe is all thrown out.

Using her own logic:
-DNA tests cannot be used in court because DNA does not prove lineage (DNA lineage is the strongest evidence supporting evolution)
-Speeding tickets issued using RADAR are not valid because Doppler shift to calculate a vehicle's speed is all bullshit (Doppler shift is how we know how big the universe is and how fast it's moving)

There's nothing wrong with her being retarded. Lots of people are born retarded or have a serious head injury that causes mental retardation, and there's nothing we can do to fix that. That doesn't mean we should let retards run the government. You wouldn't let a retard drive a car would you? Then why would you let one run the government?

lol nice post

 

[trenchfoot]

Meh, I prefer Cheney's shock and awe bald-faced lies over O'Donnell's delusional diatribes. I really miss him.....just like how I miss seeing reruns of Green Acres and F Troop. I have this strange attraction that compells me to listen to people like Cheney and O'Donnell. I get the same feeling every time I drive by a big fiery, gory multiple vehicle pile-up on the Freeway too.

 

[ShawnD1]

Incorrect.

You come up with a WAG first. Which is technically a scientific proposition. You stating that your girlfriend will spill more shit in your car is NOT a hypothesis.

Predicting that she will spill shit in my car meets the criteria for what a hypothesis is. We did these all the time in science class. A hypothesis is when you make an educated guess about what is going to happen. If I throw a bunch of metals into hydrochloric acid, my hypothesis (prediction that is not yet verified) is that aluminum will dissolve, iron will dissolve, but copper will not dissolve. It's just a prediction. Every definition of hypothesis puts emphasis on how it's not yet an observed fact.

While theory is as high as it goes, hypothesis can be promoted to fact. I started with a hypothesis, it was correct, it's now a fact. Facts are then used to support a theory which can never be completely proven true and can always be proven wrong. For the theory that my girlfriend is clumsy, a supporting fact is that she falls down. A supporting fact is that she wrecks her stuff as well as my own stuff. Under the assumption that she is clumsy, I put forth the hypothesis that she will spill things in my car. When it happens, the hypothesis is proven correct and it becomes another fact supporting the overall theory that is she is clumsy.

 

[zinfamous]

Meh, I prefer Cheney's shock and awe bald-faced lies over O'Donnell's delusional diatribes. I really miss him.....just like how I miss seeing reruns of Green Acres and F Troop. I have this strange attraction that compells me to listen to people like Cheney and O'Donnell. I get the same feeling every time I drive by a big fiery, gory multiple vehicle pile-up on the Freeway too.

lol

 

[HumblePie]

Predicting that she will spill shit in my car meets the criteria for what a hypothesis is. We did these all the time in science class. A hypothesis is when you make an educated guess about what is going to happen. If I throw a bunch of metals into hydrochloric acid, my hypothesis (prediction that is not yet verified) is that aluminum will dissolve, iron will dissolve, but copper will not dissolve. It's just a prediction. Every definition of hypothesis puts emphasis on how it's not yet an observed fact.

While theory is as high as it goes, hypothesis can be promoted to fact. I started with a hypothesis, it was correct, it's now a fact. Facts are then used to support a theory which can never be completely proven true and can always be proven wrong. For the theory that my girlfriend is clumsy, a supporting fact is that she falls down. A supporting fact is that she wrecks her stuff as well as my own stuff. Under the assumption that she is clumsy, I put forth the hypothesis that she will spill things in my car. When it happens, the hypothesis is proven correct and it becomes another fact supporting the overall theory that is she is clumsy.

well here are just the first two links returned by google on scientific hypothesis:

A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις; plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon. The term derives from the Greek, ὑποτιθέναι – hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis.

Hypothesis

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.

You can't not make a hypothesis until you have an observation to work with first. In your example of your girl friend spilling shit in your car, you must have something else to work with before to make that as a hypothesis. IE she spilled before, or has spilled something somewhere else, or you've seen her be clumsy in other situations.

Without a prior observation to an event, it is not a hypothesis. It is a WAG (wild ass guess) or proposition. Much like many claims from many religions. There is a difference.


As for your example:

If I throw a bunch of metals into hydrochloric acid, my hypothesis (prediction that is not yet verified) is that aluminum will dissolve, iron will dissolve, but copper will not dissolve. It's just a prediction. Every definition of hypothesis puts emphasis on how it's not yet an observed fact.

You are creating a hypothesis to the behavior of the metal based on known behaviors or observations made before hand about the metals and/or acid. Because you haven't seen the reaction, or the outcome does not mean that you can't have a hypothesis.

Now if I showed you two substances you never knew and asked you to make a prediction about their interaction with you having no prior knowledge about either of them, that would not be a hypothesis. Anything you came up with would be at most scientific proposition which is basically a guess at anything.

 

[ShawnD1]

Now if I showed you two substances you never knew and asked you to make a prediction about their interaction with you having no prior knowledge about either of them, that would not be a hypothesis. Anything you came up with would be at most scientific proposition which is basically a guess at anything.

Understood. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Corn]

It's not just creationism vs evolution. Accepting creationism means she completely rejects all science. All radiometric dating is thrown out. Millions of fossils thrown out. Using Doppler shift to estimate the age of the universe is all thrown out.

Using her own logic:
-DNA tests cannot be used in court because DNA does not prove lineage (DNA lineage is the strongest evidence supporting evolution)
-Speeding tickets issued using RADAR are not valid because Doppler shift to calculate a vehicle's speed is all bullshit (Doppler shift is how we know how big the universe is and how fast it's moving)

There's nothing wrong with her being retarded. Lots of people are born retarded or have a serious head injury that causes mental retardation, and there's nothing we can do to fix that. That doesn't mean we should let retards run the government. You wouldn't let a retard drive a car would you? Then why would you let one run the government?

An exellent example of the compassionate left. You sir, are a credit to the liberal movement. Please, post more often.

 

[irishScott]

This is why we have a Democratic President. Obama can veto any bullshit that comes across. Now we just need a republican legislative branch to balance things out and we're golden whether the politicians like it or not.

 

[Moonbeam]

An exellent example of the compassionate left. You sir, are a credit to the liberal movement. Please, post more often.

I completely agree. That conniving witch is just pretending to be as stupid as you are so you'll vote for her.

 

[Lemon law]

Of course O'Donnell is the theory of evolution in action, survival of the twitest.

 

[manimal]

Anyone still care to comment on the allegations made that she lived off campaign contributions and the other ethical concerns?


Because frankly we can loathe her based on her stupidity or address each issue substantively so a clear picture of who she really is comes out. The ignorant will attach themselves to the "elitist" attacks much like religious extremist will attack perceived attacks on their diety-god-or economic theory.

The discourse will be much more productive in her state if the democrats focus on her actual policy positions and the allegations of campaign fund impropriety. We can actually learn something from this post. Attack her because shes an idiot and idiots will flock to her defense.. Attack her positions and they sit back and scratch their heads and say huh?!

This trend has been happening for many years now. Now I am not saying that this type of mentality got George Bush elected but it certainly didnt hurt him. The more people called him an idiot the more the ignorant wanted to have a beer with him...

 

[ProfJohn]

You may not care, but I certainly do. I don't want people in positions of power who believe, wrongly, that there's bonafide scientific evidence for creationism.

But you have no problem with a President who spent 20 years in the church of a radical leftist minster? Or hung out with former terrorists?

This looks pretty much like a hit piece meant to dig up and throw anything and everything they can at her in hopes that she loses.

 

[CallMeJoe]

But you have no problem with a President who spent 20 years in the church of a radical leftist minster? Or hung out with former terrorists?

Pallin' around with terrorists? Seriously?
Channeling your inner Palin in public like this is quite unbecoming.

 

[soundforbjt]

But you have no problem with a President who spent 20 years in the church of a radical leftist minster? Or hung out with former terrorists?

This looks pretty much like a hit piece meant to dig up and throw anything and everything they can at her in hopes that she loses.

Except you really don't have to dig up stuff on her, she does it to herself every time she opens her mouth. She wears her ignorance like a badge of honor.

 

[ShawnD1]

But you have no problem with a President who spent 20 years in the church of a radical leftist minster? Or hung out with former terrorists?

Chillin with evil people? Hells no. We can't have that.

(Rumsfeld chillin' with Saddam Hussein, murderer of a million people)

(Truman chillin' with Stalin, murderer of 20 million people)

(Bush chillin' with Nelson Mandela who was thrown in jail for terrorism in South Africa because him and his group were responsible for sabotage of military and government targets)


Sometimes meeting with bad people is just part of the job. Sometimes it's a guy leading the most powerful country in the world (Stalin), sometimes it's the guy who controls a lot of oil (Hussein), sometimes it's a guy who helped overthrow a racist government by means of terrorism (Mandela), and sometimes it's working at the same job as some terrorist guy.

Also, it seems odd that Obama is attacked for attending a left wing church. Are republicans attacked when they attend extremist right wing churches? To be honest, yes they are, but it never makes the news.

 

[dmcowen674]

"Evolution is a theory and it's exactly that," O'Donnell said. "There is not enough evidence, consistent evidence to make it as fact."

O'Donnell's comment came from a section of the interview where she defined creationism.

"Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that," O'Donnell said.
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She fits right in with the Republican nuts on here.