Odometer readings

edprush

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I looked at a 1994 Crown Victoria today and it only had 69,000 miles on it.

But I'd put money on that either the odometer has been turned back or it's not the original odometer.

Are there any laws regarding actual miles disclosure?
 

Bartman39

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Think every state is different to some degree but most have it so that a dealer does have a mileage disclosure statement...

But as for the individual I cannot say...? From what I have been told in Texas with the private sale of an auto you do not have to disclose the actual miles...

This does seem unethical IMPO to change the odometer no matter private or public...
 

steppinthrax

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Do a carfax that is the only way to know. It's not uncommon to find cars with low mileage like that. My 99 camry I bought recently had only 30K on it I did a carfax as well.

There are a couple of things to watch out for to see if the mileage is fraudulent.

1. Look at the driver's seat is it worn out. If you ever look at a high mileage car the driver's seat is always compressed.

2. Look at the odometer are the numbers all lined up perfectly.

3. Look at the engine compartment and underbody. In this case with that mileage the car should look practically new with moderate weathering on the body.

All-in-all if all checks out and it looks legit even the carfax and you buy it. But, in fact it has been rolled back without your knowledge and you have no proof to show it's been rolled back. It wouldn't matter really because the next person you sell it to won't know either.

There are cars on the road for example where the odometer has been rolled back and there is absolutley no way to prove it. Esp. on the electronic odometers. Which are easier. They are sold from one person to another and both the seller and buyer is being fooled.

 

LTC8K6

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I own a 1995 Taurus, and a 1997 Z24, and I have a 1996 Lumina as a company car.

None of them has hit 50K yet. No odometers have been altered.
 

JDMnAR1

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If that was one of multiple cars they owned and wasn't necessarily a daily driver, that mileage isn't impossible to believe.

Perhaps a helpful link
 

imported_Truenofan

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i know of 80's cars that have less than that...its possible. but unlikely, check carfax, cheap price for knowing the history of a car. check the dash around the screw areas for any scratches or anything, any signs that a screwdriver has been used if you suspect anything, if the guy gets finicky when your doing that, you know something is up. steppin is pretty much spot on with anything else.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are a couple of things to watch out for to see if the mileage is fraudulent.

1. Look at the driver's seat is it worn out. If you ever look at a high mileage car the driver's seat is always compressed.

No, not always. My 951 has over 160,000 miles and the driver's seat isn't compressed. The leather on both seats has aged and is cracking a little, but the seat hasn't compressed. I've also seen cars with 30,000 miles that were only a couple years old that had compressed seats because the driver was a lardass. He'll want to look at the condition of the leather, not whether it's compressed. Cloth is harder to tell, but should still give wear indicators.

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
2. Look at the odometer are the numbers all lined up perfectly.

Even when never tampered with, a mechanical odometer will rarely like up perfectly.

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
3. Look at the engine compartment and underbody. In this case with that mileage the car should look practically new with moderate weathering on the body.

This is much more dependent on how the car has been stored and cared for than how many miles it has on it. Especially when you're talking about the difference between 69,000 miles and maybe 169,000 miles. If the car has been kept outside and isn't washed often, it can look old and weathered in as few as 15,000 miles. If it's kept in a garage and washed all the time, it can look brand new after 100,000+ miles. It's important to check this out, but it's not an indication of age, it's an indication of the care that the car received.

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are cars on the road for example where the odometer has been rolled back and there is absolutley no way to prove it. Esp. on the electronic odometers. Which are easier.

Since the mid-1980's, most odometers, even those with a mechanical display, are electrically-driven. The speedometer/odometer on a 1994 Ford will certainly be electromechanical. This means that the speedometer has no cable, just an electrical input for a speed impulse sender, which transmits a series of pulses that increase in frequency with an increase in the speed of the transmission output shaft. This signal is processed by the speedometer/odometer unit into a speed signal and the gauge and odometer are then driven by a small electric motor, at which point the speedometer operates in the traditional fashion.

The basic upshot of the electro-mechanical speedometer is that it then becomes impossible to "roll back" the odometer simply by removing it and spinning the cable backwards. In fact, since the impulse sender doesn't care which direction the transmission output shaft spins, the odometer will continue to count up even when the car is being driven in reverse. Rolling back this type of speedometer requires rolling it so far forward that it "turns over". Certainly possible, but much more complicated (to rig up a device to mimic the exact signal from the impulse sender) and time consuming (to roll forward past 999,999 miles) than the older pure mechanical type or the newer completely electronic type where mileage is stored as a binary value somewhere in the gauge cluster and in the ECU.

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Vetterin

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If the seller is on the up and up he should be willing to run a carfax for you. Don't hurt to ask. FWIW, I just traded in my 98 Contour last year with 42000 miles on in and still have an 85 Corvette with 84000 miles.
 

InflatableBuddha

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Another thing to check is the pedals. Significant wear spots indicates high mileage, which is inconsistent with the odometer reading. Also, new-looking pedals would indicate that the owner recently replaced them, hoping you wouldn't notice the wear on the originals.
 

mastertech01

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Most odometers are million mile versions these days and difficult to roll back. Most folks honestly arent going to bother rolling back an odometer on a vehicle that old anyway. It has exceeded any real value that could be achieved by such a rollback. The condition of the vehicle would be more relative to its value.. IMHO
 

edprush

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The guy finally came clean with me. He told me that the odometer was replaced at 25,419 miles. Who knows how long it ran with a broken odometer before it was replaced.