Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[WelshBloke]

This is the guy we need, come on Dark Brandon bring it on!

I'm not sure that the energy he should be channeling is tetchy old man energy right now!

 

[nakedfrog]

I am highly suspicious of this claim.

Let’s learn from previous mistakes. She is boring, she appears to have no policies to speak of, she has a rapid turnover with her staff because she is difficult to work for.

She is not the candidate a majority of people will support.

As an independent: boring candidates are winning primary candidates for the Democrats, Gore, Kerry, Obama, HRC. Policies? Copy/paste, done and done, no reason to think they'd be any different, given she's currently the VP for Biden. Turnover... uh, what is this? Who cares?

 

[hal2kilo]

This song keeps running through my head.

Should I Stay or Should I Go​

Song by​

The Clash
Whoa
(Ah, parlar)
Darling, you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I'll be here 'til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
It's always tease, tease, tease
You're happy when I'm on my knees
One day is fine and next is black
So if you want me off your back
Well, come on and let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know
This indecision's bugging me (indecisión me molesta)
If you don't want me, set me free (si no me quieres, líbrame)
Exactly whom am I supposed to be? (¿Dime que tengo que ser?)
Don't you know which clothes even fit me? (¿Sabes qué ropan me quedan?)
Come on and let me know (me lo tienes que decir)
Should I cool it or should I blow? (¿Me debo ir o quedarme?)
Ahh

 

[MrSquished]

I am highly suspicious of this claim.

Let’s learn from previous mistakes. She is boring, she appears to have no policies to speak of, she has a rapid turnover with her staff because she is difficult to work for.

She is not the candidate a majority of people will support.

at this point the electorate is crying for a candidate other than Biden to support. She is not the best but she will do, and is better than Biden for sure.

btw, since when is harder to work for a candidate been something that really matters at all in a presidential election? That's a new excuse to ignore the shitty candidate Biden is.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The avalanche has started.

Rep. Adam Schiff calls on Biden to withdraw from the presidential race

Schiff, a prominent Democrat and leading Senate candidate, said he has "serious concerns" about whether President Joe Biden can defeat former President Donald Trump.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[K1052]

Some interesting insights here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813666573871403209

Including:

 

[vi edit]

Harris isn't the answer. She isn't getting you the states you *need*.

MI, WI, PA. Good luck.

 

[Indus]

Harris isn't the answer. She isn't getting you the states you *need*.

MI, WI, PA. Good luck.

Yep! We're blowing our own foot off for the marathon that's coming if we change Joe.

FFS with all the people panicing.. the election is still within margin of error! But squishy thinks we're full of shit and they're right!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Given that 1) he's not going to get younger 2) the media is not going to let this go 3) confidence among his own party rank and file has absolutely imploded 4) D voters (not the elites) want somebody else to top the ticket there is no good reason to keep this up even if you think it is still possible to win (arguably true). If he's concerned about legacy it's time to bail so as to not be left holding the entire bag.

I'll also point out, you're not just voting for the president in 2024, you're voting for the one through most of 2028.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

As an independent: boring candidates are winning primary candidates for the Democrats, Gore, Kerry, Obama, HRC. Policies? Copy/paste, done and done, no reason to think they'd be any different, given she's currently the VP for Biden. Turnover... uh, what is this? Who cares?

Gore lost
Kerry lost
Obama won
Hillary lost

25% success rate is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Indus]

Gore lost
Kerry lost
Obama won
Hillary lost

25% success rate is nothing to be proud of.

generic republicans have lost too.. not counting willie horton

bush lost 92
dole lost 96
mccain lost 08
romney lost 12

None were really that crazy.. the crazies seem to win most times.

America seems to have a love fest for radical change.

I'm for sticking with Joe.. but Bernie/ AOC could do it.. However it doesn't make sense replacing an 80 year old with another 80 year old. AOC though..

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Gore lost
Kerry lost
Obama won
Hillary lost

25% success rate is nothing to be proud of.

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not quite the same...

 

[manly]

Gore lost
Kerry lost
Obama won
Hillary lost

25% success rate is nothing to be proud of.

LOL yeah not sure how that list was supposed to give us confidence.

Also 1/4 is actually worse than the subjective reality. Both Gore and HRC arguably should have won their general elections, so they must have done something wrong.

 

[repoman0]

In what world is Biden the “exciting” not boring candidate vs Kamala?

 

[Indus]

In what world is Biden the “exciting” not boring candidate vs Kamala?

The only way Kam works is if she's the sitting incumbent President.

People are weird..

 

[nakedfrog]

LOL yeah not sure how that list was supposed to give us confidence.

Also 1/4 is actually worse than the subjective reality. Both Gore and HRC arguably should have won their general elections, so they must have done something wrong.

It's not meant to provide confidence, it's to point out the Democratic party heavily favors boring candidates, so being "boring" should not be considered a disqualifier.
Fucking Howard Dean dropped out because he got too excited once 🙄

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In what world is Biden the “exciting” not boring candidate vs Kamala?

Come from a working family, isn’t particularly rich for being involved in Politics for so long. Able to not sound snotty when he speaks.

 

[vi edit]

I just want a Pete + AOC ticket and setup the next several election cycles with some youth. Pete can actually *talk* to Fox News.

 

[Brainonska511]

I just want a Pete + AOC ticket and setup the next several election cycles with some youth. Pete can actually *talk* to Fox News.

The youth that think Pete is some sort of McKinsey plant?

Trying to rely on youth turnout as a strategy always seems like a losing proposition.

 

[vi edit]

Most people couldn't even tell you what McKinsey is. And of those that could, half probably remember it from that John Oliver episode. The guy can give a good interview.

 

[vi edit]

Also 30 somethings aren't "the youth" vote. Pete probably does actually poll *worse* than Biden with black voters though.

 

[manly]

It's not meant to provide confidence, it's to point out the Democratic party heavily favors boring candidates, so being "boring" should not be considered a disqualifier.
Fucking Howard Dean dropped out because he got too excited once 🙄

As pointed out above, we probably don't consider Obama a "boring" guy. He certainly wasn't in 2008's wave.

As for my comment about confidence, most of the objections to Biden stepping aside are from those that don't believe Harris can win in the swing states.* So comparisons to Gore and HRC won't assuage those concerns. I agree boring is not a disqualifier; it didn't disqualify Joe Biden in 2020, even when it looked like he was running behind some of the main contenders.

* Until recently, I was one and I still harbor doubts. But I'm also a realist, and the Biden reelection bid is not looking good right now. It's actually a minor miracle we're only down 2 points nationally; perhaps it could be even worse LOL. Nor should we minimize how bad the swing state polls are looking. Regardless of the candidate, something has to change between now and Election day for Dems to win the rigged EC. Also keep in mind that politically, Harris will be seen as a proxy for the Biden administration. So besides Joe's age, all the reasons voters are unhappy will just slide over to Harris/Shapiro. It's bullshit, but a lot of voters think the national economy is in the crapper and that dark-skinned migrants are on a crime and killing spree.

So to be clear, I'm in the same camp as @K1052, @repoman0 and yourself: something about this campaign needs to change and fairly soon to win in November. If Biden suddenly becomes the near-perfect candidate, with zero speaking flubs outside of an occasional harmless gaffe, I'd accept that. But the status quo of low confidence and further defections from prominent elected Dems is just not sustainable.

 

[ivwshane]

I just want a Pete + AOC ticket and setup the next several election cycles with some youth. Pete can actually *talk* to Fox News.

I’m a Pete fan but what has AOC actually accomplished?

 

[vi edit]

Dems just have the ever growing problem of appeasing a tent of 20 different interests.

GOP has like three. Rich white guys. Poor white guys. Evangelicals. The end.

It's virtually impossible for one candidate to hit the balance and Obama is about as close as you get. A strategic VP pick can cover some blind spots. But Dems just have a far more complicated map and electorate to appeal to.

 

[vi edit]

I’m a Pete fan but what has AOC actually accomplished?

VP isn't about accomplishments. And it's not like 45 had any merits behind him.