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http://www.insidehw.com/News/H...s-Gold-and-Silver.html
Anyone know how much these will cost and when they'll come out?
Anyone know how much these will cost and when they'll come out?
OCZ Z-Series
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OCZ said they would be available by the end of March or April...they just put them up on their website a few weeks ago.
I'd like to see how they perform. Considering they look like Sirfa/Sirtec builds...Sirfa did pretty bad in the ModXstream Pro 700. The Hiper M1000 and Tuniq Rippler 1000W also made by Sirfa, weren't that good either.
The only Sirtec that seems to be worth a crap is the Coolmax 1350W
I'd like to see how they perform. Considering they look like Sirfa/Sirtec builds...Sirfa did pretty bad in the ModXstream Pro 700. The Hiper M1000 and Tuniq Rippler 1000W also made by Sirfa, weren't that good either.
The only Sirtec that seems to be worth a crap is the Coolmax 1350W
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videogames101
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Don't you mean Corsair?
I read that modular psu's increase resistance and the connections can become loose and cause problems so I should probably stick with hard wired.
No, he meant PCP&C's FUD, because what you wrote is exactly PCP&C's FUD almost verbatim.
Guess Win-Tact (PCP&C's OEM manufacturer for the Turbo Cool power supplies PCP&C sells), Delta, and many other server power supply manufacturers should be alerted to the problems they are going to have with all their fully modular server power supplies they have been making for years.
Oh wait, they're not having such problems with any of them.
Guess the FUD train is still chugging along.
Yeah, why would it be Corsair FUD, when Corsair actually sells Modular PSUs??? Like the HX750 and HX850 that were suggested to you.
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Thought you were saying that the new HX's are among the best consumer PSU's money can buy was FUD.
I still don't want one though as I'd feel better with my PSU being hardwired. Also, i don't see how you could call it FUD when modular connections do increase resistance and overtime after plugging and unplugging will become loose and unreliable.
http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1488_1.html
yh125d
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Of course the voltage drops, theres resistance. The resistance in the wires themselves. Any PSU with wires is going to have a notable resistance through the wires causing a voltage droop. Theres no way around that...
A large portion of the droop between the PCB and modular connector would be from the distance the charge travels, not the connection. Sure the connection will have slightly more resistance than a solid conductor, but the droop cause by the connection is negligible.
Take a look at that link, compare the voltage drop between PCB and Peripheral. I averaged the drop over all the loads tested
Modular PSUs
Corsair - .146v drop
Ultra - .08v drop
Antec - .116v drop
Non modular
Fortron - .078v drop
Silverstone - .08v drop
As you can see, MINISCULE differences. Even taking the worst modular PSU tested and the best non modular, only a .098v drop. It would be absolutely silly for anyone to use that as criteria buying a PSU. As for the connectors themselves, they are no more likely to get "worn out" than the peripheral ends of a fixed wire PSU. They get plugged/unplugged just as often. It would take years of often plugging/unplugging to notice any looseness
Total FUD. Deciding to stay away from modular for those reasons is totally silly :\
A large portion of the droop between the PCB and modular connector would be from the distance the charge travels, not the connection. Sure the connection will have slightly more resistance than a solid conductor, but the droop cause by the connection is negligible.
Take a look at that link, compare the voltage drop between PCB and Peripheral. I averaged the drop over all the loads tested
Modular PSUs
Corsair - .146v drop
Ultra - .08v drop
Antec - .116v drop
Non modular
Fortron - .078v drop
Silverstone - .08v drop
As you can see, MINISCULE differences. Even taking the worst modular PSU tested and the best non modular, only a .098v drop. It would be absolutely silly for anyone to use that as criteria buying a PSU. As for the connectors themselves, they are no more likely to get "worn out" than the peripheral ends of a fixed wire PSU. They get plugged/unplugged just as often. It would take years of often plugging/unplugging to notice any looseness
Total FUD. Deciding to stay away from modular for those reasons is totally silly :\
theAnimal
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I'd rather have a high quality modular PSU than a decent/good quality non-modular PSU.
The article concluded that there is far more resistance in the cable than the connectors.
Why would you be plugging and unplugging the end connected to the PSU enough times to cause it to become loose? If you change a component in your system all you would need to do is unplug from the component itself, which is the same thing you would do with a hardwired PSU.
Exactly !!! If you for some reason did need to unplug the connector at the PSU anyway...exactly how would you do that with a non-modular PSU anyway?
That is a Catch-22 for you. Someone scared that they would need to unplug and replug the modular connectors so much that they buy a hardwired PSU that can't be unplugged at all.
Not to mention...people seem to forget, that the Mini-fit Jr. plugs that go from the PSU cables into the components, are just as susceptible to becoming loose and corroded and causing voltage drop. That is why I am wondering why PC P&C isn't asking you to send your computer to them so they can go ahead and solder the PC wires to your components instead of using those "unreliable" connectors.
I guess that is the purpose of marketing FUD though, there are always going to be some people out there who buy it hook, line and sinker.
If you just go and believe that, then PCP&Cs job is done, at least concerning you. Personally, I've only owned modular supplies the past three years and I'd never swap back to fixed cables. I've got no problem with corrosion, dust or any other issues that PCP&C purportedly claim will damage the PSU. So for me, I will never believe any of their fud which they haven't even backed up with proof, just statements off the bat.
I've always wondered the same thing.....one is much more likely to repeatedly plug/unplug the cables from the motherboard/video card/optical/hard drive ends than from the power supply. sort of flies in the face of PCP&C's FUD for modular plugs being the devil. If they really were, PCP&C would never have plugs on the ends of their power supply cables, just solder points for permanent mounting.
And that's another thing. PCP&C has yet, despite having their fear mongering "myths" posted for years on their website, to provide one shred of unbiased evidence or testing to substantiate their claims. It's one thing to make broad statements, it's another to actually back the claims up with actual testing. Seems PCP&C would rather depend upon fear and doubt created by their claims instead of proving their claims.
JEDIYoda
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I see you Beaniue has bought into the other side of the FUD!!
As much as people want to dispel the myths that are on PC Power & Coolings website,
there is or has been or at one time was truth to what is said to be FUD.
What PC Power & Cooling needs to do is update there site if they believe they are spreading total 100% mis- information.
I will jump on this bandwagon - they have a line called Silencer......notice it does not say -- Silent??? it says silencer.
Many many people who said they are not silent based on test results from sites such a JonnyGURU.com, etc...yet many people who own the Silencer brand say they are silent...if you check even on these forums people are out there......so go figure!!
You will have to forgive Hoofan1.......at times he is in his own world!!
Luckily you are not in your own world. You are in a world full of other fanboys with their heads firmly stuffed up PC P&C's ass. It is amazing, all those heads fit up there.
Sorry, Yoda, but HOOfan hasn't converted me into anything.
Unfortunately, I am quite independent in my thinking. I tend to base my decisions on unbiased testing and owner feedback.
Now, I'll grant you PCP&C has excellent performing power supplies, that's a given. But the rest of what PCP&C puts out, their FUD....errr, myths....is just complete marketing BS and could be considered fabrications by others. There isn't one shred of testing given out by PCP&C to support any of their "myths".....and please link me to some if some exist, but you can't because there isn't any, at least presented by PCP&C.
But, back to some points. Take PCP&C's new 910W Silencer. It ain't silent at over half load, but I guess being quieter than a Turbo Cool does garner its name as a Silancer.
Then consider modular connections. This is surely one power supply that could use them. The damned thing has 11 (eleven) hard wired cables snaking out of it.
Let's list them:
SATA.....there are 3 of varying lengths. 40.5", 34.2" and 30.3"
IDE......two of them in lengths of 22.45" and 22.83"
Four PCI-e cables......two that are 22.45" (6-pin PCI-e) and two that are 22.83" (6+2-pin PCI-e)
A single floppy drive cable of 4.7" (what's that about???)
An EPS +12V cable (22.49") and a 4+4 ATX cable (22.24")
Finally, the main 24-pin ATX connector (18.7")
Now, who's using all 13 of those cables? No one I know. 3 cables with 4 SATA connectors on each? Well, I'll use two......three hard drives and two optical drives, all SATA. So, two cables used. 10 to go and one, so far, to hide.
IDE cables....two of them. I'll use one.....fan controller connection, pump connection for my watercooling setup. So, one more used, one more to hide. (Now using 3, hiding 2)
EPS and 4+4 ATX connctors. Hmmmm.....which to use as both do the same thing on my mb. So, use one, hide one. (Now using 4, hiding 3)
PCI-e cables........use two, hide two. Current count, using 6, hiding 5.
Of course, the main 24-pin ATX connector is used......so using 7, hiding 5, but hide that ridiculously short floppy drive cable and now I've got to hide 6 cables, one of which is over 30" long.
So, hiding at least one SATA cable of 30" or greater length, two PCI-e cables of 22" in length, a 4.7" floppy cable, one IDE cable of at least 27" in length, and an ATX power cable of 22" in length.
Granted, some people are using SLI/Crossfire, so those extra PCI-e cables will be used, but most around XS and here are almost exclusively on SATA drives, so the IDE cables are just hidden, and I don't know many home users needing 12 SATA connections. Guess some do, but I bet you could count them on one hand.
So, that gives me a bundle of cables that isn't exactly going to be easily hidden, even on the best day or using the largest case.
If PCP&C would get over the "modular is the debil" crap position they take and then move to a 120mm fan for cooling, I honestly think their sales would skyrocket.
Until then, I'll call a spade a spade. PCP&C has nothing I want.....excellent working power supplies, naturally, but the attendant price to be paid for hiding a bundle of cables as big as my arm and fans that sound like leaf blowers when the ps is loaded to 60% or higher is just too much a price to pay to use them, especially in this day and age when there are many other high quality power supply sellers on the market that pretty much equal PCP&C's goods.
When PCP&C was the only game in town for high quality power supplies for consumers, it was easy to overlook the crap you had to put up with to use them....huge amounts of cables to hide, noisy fans. But now that they are only another player in a very crowded high end ps market (Antec Signature line, Corsair HX line, Seasonic M12D, Enermax Revolution 85+, to name a few), I honestly think a partial percentage point of better voltage regulation or ripple control from PCP&C's units is more than outweighed by the fact that they're noisy and aren't modular.
Unfortunately, I am quite independent in my thinking. I tend to base my decisions on unbiased testing and owner feedback.
Now, I'll grant you PCP&C has excellent performing power supplies, that's a given. But the rest of what PCP&C puts out, their FUD....errr, myths....is just complete marketing BS and could be considered fabrications by others. There isn't one shred of testing given out by PCP&C to support any of their "myths".....and please link me to some if some exist, but you can't because there isn't any, at least presented by PCP&C.
But, back to some points. Take PCP&C's new 910W Silencer. It ain't silent at over half load, but I guess being quieter than a Turbo Cool does garner its name as a Silancer.
Then consider modular connections. This is surely one power supply that could use them. The damned thing has 11 (eleven) hard wired cables snaking out of it.
Let's list them:
SATA.....there are 3 of varying lengths. 40.5", 34.2" and 30.3"
IDE......two of them in lengths of 22.45" and 22.83"
Four PCI-e cables......two that are 22.45" (6-pin PCI-e) and two that are 22.83" (6+2-pin PCI-e)
A single floppy drive cable of 4.7" (what's that about???)
An EPS +12V cable (22.49") and a 4+4 ATX cable (22.24")
Finally, the main 24-pin ATX connector (18.7")
Now, who's using all 13 of those cables? No one I know. 3 cables with 4 SATA connectors on each? Well, I'll use two......three hard drives and two optical drives, all SATA. So, two cables used. 10 to go and one, so far, to hide.
IDE cables....two of them. I'll use one.....fan controller connection, pump connection for my watercooling setup. So, one more used, one more to hide. (Now using 3, hiding 2)
EPS and 4+4 ATX connctors. Hmmmm.....which to use as both do the same thing on my mb. So, use one, hide one. (Now using 4, hiding 3)
PCI-e cables........use two, hide two. Current count, using 6, hiding 5.
Of course, the main 24-pin ATX connector is used......so using 7, hiding 5, but hide that ridiculously short floppy drive cable and now I've got to hide 6 cables, one of which is over 30" long.
So, hiding at least one SATA cable of 30" or greater length, two PCI-e cables of 22" in length, a 4.7" floppy cable, one IDE cable of at least 27" in length, and an ATX power cable of 22" in length.
Granted, some people are using SLI/Crossfire, so those extra PCI-e cables will be used, but most around XS and here are almost exclusively on SATA drives, so the IDE cables are just hidden, and I don't know many home users needing 12 SATA connections. Guess some do, but I bet you could count them on one hand.
So, that gives me a bundle of cables that isn't exactly going to be easily hidden, even on the best day or using the largest case.
If PCP&C would get over the "modular is the debil" crap position they take and then move to a 120mm fan for cooling, I honestly think their sales would skyrocket.
Until then, I'll call a spade a spade. PCP&C has nothing I want.....excellent working power supplies, naturally, but the attendant price to be paid for hiding a bundle of cables as big as my arm and fans that sound like leaf blowers when the ps is loaded to 60% or higher is just too much a price to pay to use them, especially in this day and age when there are many other high quality power supply sellers on the market that pretty much equal PCP&C's goods.
When PCP&C was the only game in town for high quality power supplies for consumers, it was easy to overlook the crap you had to put up with to use them....huge amounts of cables to hide, noisy fans. But now that they are only another player in a very crowded high end ps market (Antec Signature line, Corsair HX line, Seasonic M12D, Enermax Revolution 85+, to name a few), I honestly think a partial percentage point of better voltage regulation or ripple control from PCP&C's units is more than outweighed by the fact that they're noisy and aren't modular.
so anyways....does anyone know when these will be available as it is now summer.
EDIT: I just called them and they said that they are trying to launch by the end of the month.
EDIT: I just called them and they said that they are trying to launch by the end of the month.
JEDIYoda
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Actually you and other people as well as those who review PSU`s have been dragging this into the ground for years...while those of us who Love our PC Power & Cooling PSU`s sit back and laugh at your incessant nonesense.
As AndyOCZ said on another forum....
The target customer is the no compromise high performance PC enthusiast.
The best I can tell you guys is that some of this does comes down to design philosophy. The engineers decide what is acceptable and what is not, based on testing with their Chroma 8000 ATE test benches and heat chamber. If they felt they could do with less air movement, I'm sure they would. If they thought a single large fan would be sufficient, they would be using one. They choose to use 2 x 80mm fans instead.
I won't get in a flaming war. I'm not and electrical engineer (although I am an Aerospace Manufacturing Engineer), and I don't work anywhere near the PC Power facility. I used to live nearby and spent quite a bit of time there checking out day to day operations. I also spent time with the engineering staff talking about designs and testing methods.
There are those that say PC Power units are fairly quiet and others say they are loud. I don't know what to to tell you, except the builds I have done with PCP units don't disturb me much, or drown out low flying jets.
then in the same thread we have the great Paul Johnson spouting his misinformation concerning how much input the PC P&C engineers have into the manufacturing of their PSU!!
Although on some level Paul is correct -- PC Power & Cooling does NOT manufacture their own PSU`s...
Yet they have more input into the design and such that Paul would have you believe!
Then we have somebody who actually understands the issue __hollywoodlmeow says -- they use bigger heatsinks and smaller fans. they dont claim that a bigger fan is going to perform worse than their smaller fan somehow. almost everything i just read in this thread is just hyperbolic bull, putting words in their mouths.. they claim that their PSUs are better (in this respect) because they have clearer airflow for the larger heatsinks inside, and a powerful 80mm. nothing more... if you're going to argue about wanting a larger fan and slightly more diminutive heatsinks, then go buy another PSU. there certainly are other solid options, but you guys are going off the deep end with these accusations. oh and LOL@ the antediluvian guy...just wow.
FYI, im not defending their silencer branding. if the fan gets loud, why call it a silencer? beyond that, its a nonissue.
Finally we have --
andyOCZ Official OCZ Rep, 5.0 Years
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanesVenetici
Perhaps we're all looking at the name from the wrong perspective. I myself have a 750 watt silencer and could care fuck all about the fan noise, but hear me out.
Perhaps instead of looking at the Silencer name as intended to be a "quiet" series of power supplies (and we all know that they're not) maybe they were going more for, ahem, they silence the competition. Maybe it should be called "The Silencer". Lets face it, they do perform admirably well beyond spec and I absolutely love mine.
You make a good point. If someone wants a PSU with a 140mm fan, they should look for one, buy it, and enjoy the quiet. If you want a PC Power unit with the quality and US based support that made their reputation what it is today, then you know what to do.
End of discussion.
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