OCZ or Corsair XMS

[fstime]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Chef Brian
OCZ Gold BH5 is about the best deal for performance memory. $200 CAD (about 160US) for a gig of 2-2-2-5 DDR400 that overclocks like a mofo and loves voltage. Or Redline for the same price...


Just don't buy Corsair. Their performance memory is overpriced to the Max.

or for like $229 you can get TWO gigs of valueram, which IMO is better than 1GB of fast memory. I even bought 2 gigs of this memory for my PC, but it was rejected by my system, and I sold it to a friend. shame.

BS, you think 2 gb is better because it helps BF2.

The EA engine is a POS, it sucks.

No other games require 2GB, I may be wrong about this.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Hacp
NVM, seems like the Platinums cost around 130 for a GB. Its around 80 dollars more expensive than what regular ram would cost. 80 bucks for the 3-5% is bordering acceptable, especially considering that its 1GB, and supposedly these ram modules will overclock a few mhz (like 10-20) at those timings, so I can't find any reason not to support the Platinum!

look at the link i gave on the first page, my first post. mushkin, corsair and i think ocz all clocked 20-20 at stock timings and reached pc4000 at cl3.

like i said mushkins and it appears the ocz are clocking really well from people i've seen. i can do 257 cl 2.5 on mine and thats only third best of the mushkins.

i don't think the ballistix are worth the $$ but 135/gig forr ram that will do that, well i'm happy.

 

[Hacp]

Thats PC3000 though.We don't know how going below 200FSB will reflect on not going above! Also, increasing FSB with a sac on timings isn't worth it IMO. Look at the new dividers article in anandtech.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Chef Brian
OCZ Gold BH5 is about the best deal for performance memory. $200 CAD (about 160US) for a gig of 2-2-2-5 DDR400 that overclocks like a mofo and loves voltage. Or Redline for the same price...


Just don't buy Corsair. Their performance memory is overpriced to the Max.

or for like $229 you can get TWO gigs of valueram, which IMO is better than 1GB of fast memory. I even bought 2 gigs of this memory for my PC, but it was rejected by my system, and I sold it to a friend. shame.

BS, you think 2 gb is better because it helps BF2.

The EA engine is a POS, it sucks.

No other games require 2GB, I may be wrong about this.

I just consider it future proofing. You know what else is BS? fast memory timings. They are more useless than having an extra GB of RAM.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Thats PC3000 though.We don't know how going below 200FSB will reflect on not going above! Also, increasing FSB with a sac on timings isn't worth it IMO. Look at the new dividers article in anandtech.

again, from the thread.....

I'll use the same processor speed thoughout, a realistic overclock of 2610Mhz, only adjusting timings, speed and/or swapping for cheaper parts

yeah, he has pc3000 vs pc3800 and we're looking at pc3200 vs pc4000. i'd say thats pretty close....

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I love the value ram guys around here.

I don't know they convince themselves their 200 fsb 2.5-4-4 is just as good as my 250 fsb 2-2-2-5 or 300 fsb 2.5-3-3.

Value ram is good but some poeple want the best

Anyways, with that board, i'd get some nice OCZ TCCD w/ the BP PCB.

I think its the PLAT rev.2 stuff, not sure though.

Did you read the posted link? It's hard to argue with facts... and with the AMD64's in-die memory controller, it's pretty silly to spend more for nonstandard RAM.

 

[waddles]

I believe 1GB is enough and if your not going to OC get value RAM but if you are get OCZ. If you have the extra money get 2GB if you want it. 2GB of OCZ's best RAM is $179 at www.MonarchComputer.com and probably less at www.NewEgg.com

I don't care how crappy the BF2 engine is (no worse than the Doom 3 engine and a much better game) that game is still awesome and looks good when it's cranked to the max or even mid settings for the matter of fact.

 

[n7]

Oh See Zee?

Actually, that Muskin HP 2 GB kit is pretty hawt too.

 

[rise]

you get your mushkis yet n7?

 

[Corporate Thug]

OCZ > all

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: rise4310
you get your mushkin yet n7?

Nah, i am still waiting
Everyone that has it (at least where i can order from) is backordered.
It might be a few weeks longer before i actually get the stuff.

 

[Hacp]

Guess you missed the intent of the quote. I meant that going down a few mhz MIGHT hurt the performance more than not going down and comparing it to ram that will go up the same amount that you were going down. Sounds confusing I know .....

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: Hacp
Hes looking at 2Gig dual channel kits that cost around 270-330 dollars. Comparing the low end to the high end, it is a 150 dollar difference.

Ow ya, where are you getting those numbers? Zebos guide does not have those numbers.

heres just 1. you can go look at others.

Farcry 800x600 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 61.46
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 66.49
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 72.67
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 74.97
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 77.08

even the two pc3000, one at cl2 one at cl3 show a 10% difference.

you sir are horribly wrong.
That is 1 game at a resolution considered unplayable and full of jaggies by most. why not look at resolutions people actually play at?

Farcry 1600x1200 in FPS
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 68.14
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 74.42
"On farcry, we see ~18% faster performance from the old ram. But only ~8% faster than value ram. hint: spend the xtra $100 on a better video card."

Doom3 1024x786 in FPS
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 80.3
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 82.4

Doom3 1600x1200 in FPS
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 44.6
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 44.6

Half-life 2 1024x768 in FPS
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 120.9
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 134.4
"We see low timings here credited with speed since PC3000LL is basically equivalent to PC4700."

Half-life 2 1600x1200 in FPS
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 102.5
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 107.3
"Same as above. Save your money."

Pifast in seconds
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 36.53
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 34.45
"nothing to write home about. PC2300 vs PC4700 is 10.9% faster, but very small difference vs. value ram"

PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 34
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -32
"Similar as above. Nothing drastic at anything above PC3000"

Science Mark- Molecular Dynamics time in seconds
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 66.92
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 66.47
"Seems bandwidth has no effect here."

CineBench 2003 Rendering
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 365
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 367
Seems bandwidth has no effect here.

CineBench 2003 Shading
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 426
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 440
"Infinitesmal bandwidth help"


CineBench 2003 OpenGL SW
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 1992
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 2034
Infinitesmal bandwidth help

CineBench 2003 OpenGL HW
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 3662
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 3796
this is getting old, on to another game.

UT2003 10x7 Flyby
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 319
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 345
"very small difference with value ram."

UT2003 10x7 BotMatch
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 118
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 128
"only 8% over value ram."

Winrar in KB/s
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 564
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 703!!!
"This test obviously is very beneficial to have bandwidth or LL. Update: Crucial Ballistix owning all, Winrar seems the like LL even more than bandwidth. We sorta saw this already by the very close scores of PC3000 LL VS PC4700 high bandwitdh."

Lame in seconds
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 56
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -56
"Seems bandwidth or LL has no effect here."

Chess2.pov in seconds
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 245
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -246
"Seems bandwidth or LL has no effect here."


DVDShrink in seconds
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 235
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -224
"DVDShrink seems to like bandwidth a little bit."

"Only one area seemed signifigant was winrar. The couple game tests which slow slight inprovement with bandwidth or LL, I think you're much better of upgrading to the next tier of video card if on a budget instead of investing with overpriced ram. Investing in expensive Ram probably offers to poorest bang for the buck of any computer part."

So let's let the people see the whole picture instead of 1 misleading benchine huh?

You got WinRAR, Ill give yuo that, but every other test would NOT benefit from expensive LL ram. If you had $80 saved by buying value ram, you could step up to a better video card, netting you much better performance than the ram upgrade.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

you sir are horribley wrong.
1 is at freaking pc3000 3-3-3 and one is at pc 3800 2.5-2-2

you, sir, need to read the freaking thread. that was posted to substantiate this statement-

5% performance hit between running 3-4-4-8 @ 200 and 2.5-3-3-8 @ 250?? look at Zeb's guide again. at least in the apps i care about, games, lol, you're looking at 3-18% with the norm around 10%.

edit to your edit- again, look at the game benches. aside from doom3 or resolutions which become vga limited, the gain is 8% or more. i'm not hiding any of the info, hell its right there. people quote it so much you'd think they'd read it.

nobodys saying to sell a 6800gt and get better ram and a 6600 vanilla. :roll:

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: mwmorph

you sir are horribley wrong.
1 is at freaking pc3000 3-3-3 and one is at pc 3800 2.5-2-2

you, sir, need to read the freaking thread. that was posted to substantiate this statement-

5% performance hit between running 3-4-4-8 @ 200 and 2.5-3-3-8 @ 250?? look at Zeb's guide again. at least in the apps i care about, games, lol, you're looking at 3-18% with the norm around 10%.

The norm is not anywhere near 10%. Only for farcry and HL2 and a little bit by UT2004 which runs in the 100s fps anyway and all of which could be helped by a better video card even more than some fancy ram. If you want to spend money like that, ignoring proven facts, do so. I'm just here to report the facts.

 

[rise]

...yawn... again, look at the game benches. aside from doom3 or resolutions which become vga limited, the gain is 8% or more. i'm not hiding any of the info, hell its right there. people quote it so much you'd think they'd read it.

nobodys saying to sell a 6800gt to get better ram and a 6600 vanilla. :roll:

Originally posted by: mwmorph
That is 1 game at a resolution considered unplayable and full of jaggies by most. why not look at resolutions people actually play at?
...........

So let's let the people see the whole picture instead of 1 misleading benchine huh?

err, its a bench of ram, not a graphics bench? obviously, the higher the res the closer the two will become as the graphics card becomes a bottleneck?

again, i'm not misleading anyone. there are plenty of benchmarks around. run some yourself.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: rise4310
...yawn... again, look at the game benches. aside from doom3 or resolutions which become vga limited, the gain is 8% or more. i'm not hiding any of the info, hell its right there. people quote it so much you'd think they'd read it.

nobodys saying to sell a 6800gt to get better ram and a 6600 vanilla. :roll:

Originally posted by: mwmorph
That is 1 game at a resolution considered unplayable and full of jaggies by most. why not look at resolutions people actually play at?
...........

So let's let the people see the whole picture instead of 1 misleading benchine huh?

err, its a bench of ram, not a graphics bench? obviously, the higher the res the closer the two will become as the graphics card becomes a bottleneck?

again, i'm not misleading anyone. there are plenty of benchmarks around. run some yourself.

there are differences, but the person playing it will be using at least 10x7. This is not a test of ram speed. No S the LL ram is faster, but it's how much it afects you in everyday use and that answer is lose to none if you dont use WINRAR. You are citing maximums while i cite typical numbers.

 

[AndrewZorn]

these are all games. 250fsb and overclocking ability helps out a lot in other areas. value ram is VALUE ram.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: AndrewZorn
these are all games. 250fsb and overclocking ability helps out a lot in other areas. value ram is VALUE ram.

what does that means, The 939 memory matrix ran 263fsb on value ram 2.85V fine with a divider.

 

[AndrewZorn]

divider = not real overclock

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
You are citing maximums while i cite typical numbers.

i'm just citing the numbers provided. its not hard stuff to figure out. you said i was "horribly wrong" when in fact the numbers show differently. you can add your ifs ands and buts now. it doesn't change the facts you say you want to provide.

so before calling me wrong, just step in line and say "you'll see more improvement with a better graphics card than high performance ram". no chit, nobody is questioning that.

 

[CrimsonCutie]

WOW
thanks for all the great feedback and discussion. It seems the OCZ is the favoured company.

It seems i will be going with the OCZ Plat PC3200 OCZ PC3200 2x1GB

 

[rise]

no, not those. those are titanium you liniked, those are for servers. its the same chips as in my mushkin and patriot and less expensive ocz. all you get is the right to advanced rma's with those sticks.

the best bang for the buck if you want to run 1:1 is the mushkin hp blue pc3200. there is an ocz model that has the same infineon chips but i forget which it is. PM ryderocz or johnocz and they'll hokk you up if you are partial to ocz.

 

[CrimsonCutie]

thanks Rise i'll msg the OCZ guys