OCZ Octane product does not seem to make sense.

[Hugo Drax]

Looking at the prices released and performance numbers it seems like the OCZ Octane is more expensive and slower than the Vertex3 line.

Unless I am missing something. Anyone have any other details on this new Everest platform?

 

[Puppies04]

This had me puzzled aswell, the only thing I can see is that it shows as coming with a 3 year warranty on my suppliers site while the vertex doesn't specify a warranty period making me think it is 12 months (here at least, I am aware otehr countries have different rules over warranties for certain goods).

Other than that "it's newer so it costs more" seems to spring to mind

 

[Hugo Drax]

This had me puzzled aswell, the only thing I can see is that it shows as coming with a 3 year warranty on my suppliers site while the vertex doesn't specify a warranty period making me think it is 12 months (here at least, I am aware otehr countries have different rules over warranties for certain goods).

Other than that "it's newer so it costs more" seems to spring to mind

The only thing I can think of is maybe the drive will be faster with compressed data and of course if it offers rock solid reliability. I heard to many horror stories regarding new generation sandforce drives and BSOD issues when using them as a boot drive.

 

[CFP]

God it is sad when something is cheaper because it's completely reliable.

And that we're cool with that.

 

[alfa147x]

Marketing!

 

[groberts101]

It's going to be much faster with incompressible data. Just another drive in a sea of drives from every mfgr who wants a piece of the growing pie.

It's drives like this that will pave the way for SSD to make the jump from HDD storage to SSD based dedicated storage and others are going to follow the trend.

Plus, once they've been out for about 6 months.. the firmware will progress and the prices will fall even further. Will be good for the industry.. and good for the consumer.

 

[nanaki333]

isn't the write amplification on indilinx drives pretty terrible? like they don't last nearly as long as SF drives?

 

[groberts101]

While I would guess a Sandforce controller would still have an edge?.. much of these improvements are done in the newest firmware. Google the drives features(and add some salt of course) to see what they have done to help with those concerns.

Not to mention that even the ones with supposedly horrible WA are still plugging along in many thousands of systems. Especially the older 10K PE/c drives with newer firmware.

They don't actually die completely as many think they do and can be d-flashed back to life quite eaily. I commonly beat the snot out of my Indy based drives whenever I have the opportunity and they are just as fast as day 1 of purchase.

Plus they were entry level drives anyways and I plan on just using until they die(beyond destructive flash recovery). Onwards and upwards, right?

 

[Coup27]

I'm hoping to order a Samsung 830 128GB this week and I compared the spec sheet with that of the Octane and the Samsung had it's pants down. It was only a little bit more expensive as well.

 

[zlejedi]

Maybe it's more expensive because it works?

 

[nanaki333]

While I would guess a Sandforce controller would still have an edge?.. much of these improvements are done in the newest firmware. Google the drives features(and add some salt of course) to see what they have done to help with those concerns.

Not to mention that even the ones with supposedly horrible WA are still plugging along in many thousands of systems. Especially the older 10K PE/c drives with newer firmware.

They don't actually die completely as many think they do and can be d-flashed back to life quite eaily. I commonly beat the snot out of my Indy based drives whenever I have the opportunity and they are just as fast as day 1 of purchase.

Plus they were entry level drives anyways and I plan on just using until they die(beyond destructive flash recovery). Onwards and upwards, right?

i thought it was just the RECENT firmware changes that really started affecting WA a lot more. honestly, i don't know very many people with some of those original drives. most have at least a v2 by now.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Read an early review and it was not impressive. Vertex 3 still beats it. and its cheaper.

There is some NDA embargo that will be lifted on wed. So will be interesting to see. The early look was an OCZ octane 512gb model.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5143/oczs-octane-initial-performance-results

and storage review neither seem too impressive so far for this model.

 

[Old Hippie]

Maybe it's more expensive because it works?

LOL!

 

[Concillian]

The AT review looked decent. It isn't class leading performance, but it isn't priced (MSRP) like a class leader either. It's certainly significantly better than the last Indilinx controller.

Real world performance differences are small enough that there is room for drives like this. It'll probably be expensive at launch, but I bet prices will come down soon enough. OCZ will likely need to compete on price until they earn end user trust back.

 

[Hypertag]

When can we get a review of the TLC based drives?

 

[LokutusofBorg]

The prices are pre-release MSRP pricing, which mean diddly squat.

Also, the stuff mentioned a few replies up about write amplification also mean (nearly) diddly squat. Consult the resurrected thread about the SSD endurance tests going on over at Extreme Systems. NAND endurance is a complete non-issue, which means that write amplification is really only a consideration insofar as it impacts performance.

 

[nanaki333]

did anybody read the actual review? looks promising and could be a real beast with some more work on the firmware. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5147/the-ocz-octane-review-512gb

 

[Coup27]

I'm suprised how it did in the AT review because the spec sheet made it look shit compared to the 830.

 

[deimos3428]

I was disappointed with the results at first. (I think everyone wants the newest thing to decisively squash whatever came before, it's just human nature.)

But this SSD is at least comparable to the newest Sandforce offerings overall, which is good. It brings Indilinx back into the fray, and consumers can choose the drive that works best for their specific workload.

 

[T_K]

Ignoring specific work loads that would utilize large sustained reads and writes, at what speed does the difference become imperceptible?

 

[LokutusofBorg]

Ignoring specific work loads that would utilize large sustained reads and writes, at what speed does the difference become imperceptible?

The difference becomes imperceptible when you move to any non-suck SSD. They don't include HDD stats on SSD review charts for a reason. It's like comparing a scooter to Ferraris and Lamborghinis. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point. SSDs are so far beyond HDDs in the bulk of what computers do on a normal basis (random reads, random writes) that they're not really in the same ballpark.

 

[peonyu]

If the Octane is slightly slower but is rock solid stable then paying slightly more for it is worth it. I dont think anyone can disagree there, if your SSD dies on you you lost most of your data if its not backed up...That completely sucks and it could happen. Reliability has a price to and hopefully OCZ has it with their inhouse drive. If not ? Then they just messed up their reputation even more than it already is.

As it is now their Vertex 3 isnt the fastest drive anyways. The force 3 GT is.

 

[taltamir]

If the Octane is slightly slower but is rock solid stable

that is a big if for an untested drive with brand new firmware from the least reliable manufacturer.

 

[peonyu]

that is a big if for an untested drive with brand new firmware from the least reliable manufacturer.

No doubt, time will tell though. If they mess this up then they can only blame themselves and not Sandforce.