ocing a locked barton?

[myocardia]

Well, don't wait too long, they might stop selling them.

 

[ColossusX]

I haven't heard of anyone NOT hitting 200mhz FSB on the newer XP2500's with a good, quality nforce2 board and memory, but maybe I don't know the right people.

And I think my question concerning the PSU is still valid, even though you may not run a mobile at "just" 11x200. If an extra bump like that means his current PSU cant handle it, is it the best PSU to use with a desktop Barton? Which was his justification about not upgrading to a mobile.

My mobile 2500 seems to top out at 12x200. The NF7-S's seem to have trouble with 512mb sticks and hitting higher than 200mhz FSB according to the Abit forums, but my power supply that handled my desktop barton at 11x180 (KT400, PC2700) had no trouble with my mobile at 12x200. Of course, my new PSU has no problems what so ever with anything I throw at it.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: myocardia
Because the faster your processor runs, the more 5v juice your power supply has to be able to put out.

Absolutely.

CPU series before the Bartons needed 45 watts of power from the 5 Volt rail.

The Bartons use a whopping 160 watts!!! But no big deal for a Power Supply with an old fashioned beefy 5 Volt rail.

If Bartons use 160 watts then why does the 3200+ dissapate a maximum of about 80w?

-Por

 

[ColossusX]

Originally posted by: PorBleemo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: myocardia
Because the faster your processor runs, the more 5v juice your power supply has to be able to put out.

Absolutely.

CPU series before the Bartons needed 45 watts of power from the 5 Volt rail.

The Bartons use a whopping 160 watts!!! But no big deal for a Power Supply with an old fashioned beefy 5 Volt rail.

If Bartons use 160 watts then why does the 3200+ dissapate a maximum of about 80w?

-Por

It's dissipating 80w of heat, but require 160w of power. It's two different things.

 

[magratton]

While admittedly there will be some variables between the setups, I am going to be putting together two 2600-m systems this weekend, and may be able to post results between newer chips and older ones by early next week. one of the 2600's is a week 46 chip and the other will be a new buy from newegg. i will let you all know what I find in terms of overclockability.

 

[myocardia]

Yeah, I'd be interested to know that myself. I have a week 46 XP-M 2600, and I've thought about buying another one, so keep us posted, huh?

 

[Mik3y]

i build computers for people, and i'm going to upgrade one of my 3 computers at home to give to a friend. i want a cheap combo of items that will allow me to overclock stabily, and with the new bartons out, i know for a fact that they dont oc that well. the reason y i asked about it is because everyone's saying how they cant overclock the cpu. since i've never oced a locked barton, i dont know the difficulty people are getting. with the mobiles, i know they require more juice to oc at high speeds. for the normal bartons, i overclocked a 2500+ to 3200+ easily in the past by simply just raising the fsb to 200. the older bartons were really easy to oc stabily. the newer ones are more difficult, so i was just curious. if i know that the newer bartons required more then just a motherboard and generic 350W psu, then i'd get something else.

 

[TotalImmortal]

I sorry, but there no way a barton drains 160W, I have a 230W power supply and am running a barton 2500+@2.2GHz and my graphics card alone is drawing ~ 100W of juice. (OCed 9500pro)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TotalImmortal
I sorry, but there no way a barton drains 160W, I have a 230W power supply and am running a barton 2500+@2.2GHz and my graphics card alone is drawing ~ 100W of juice. (OCed 9500pro)

You can't go by just the Wattage rating on the Power Supply anymore now that the Bartons are out.

I've seen 500 Watt Supplies fail to power a Barton system because of of an anemic 5 volt rail.

 

[Mik3y]

its all about having a quality psu. as of now, the antecs make the best amd psu, and enermax makes the best p4 psu. (all for overclocking)

 

[ColossusX]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
its all about having a quality psu. as of now, the antecs make the best amd psu, and enermax makes the best p4 psu. (all for overclocking)

I mostly agree with you about the Antec's as that is what I use in the systems I build for others, and for most of my own systems, however I must say that the PC Power & Cooling PSU's are by far the BEST PSUs around!! My voltages are rock solid and more consistent than my Antec TruePower 430, but you pay a hefty premium for it. But, for the money, Antec is the best around

 

[JSSheridan]

Originally posted by: ColossusX
I haven't heard of anyone NOT hitting 200mhz FSB on the newer XP2500's with a good, quality nforce2 board and memory, but maybe I don't know the right people.

And I think my question concerning the PSU is still valid, even though you may not run a mobile at "just" 11x200. If an extra bump like that means his current PSU cant handle it, is it the best PSU to use with a desktop Barton? Which was his justification about not upgrading to a mobile.

My mobile 2500 seems to top out at 12x200. The NF7-S's seem to have trouble with 512mb sticks and hitting higher than 200mhz FSB according to the Abit forums, but my power supply that handled my desktop barton at 11x180 (KT400, PC2700) had no trouble with my mobile at 12x200. Of course, my new PSU has no problems what so ever with anything I throw at it.

For the record, I have a Barton 2500+ that I ordered less than 2 months ago with a stepping from late 2003 which will not hit 11x200. The rest of the system is capable ( A7N8X Deluxe, Antec 330W PSU, Corsair XMS 2700 memtest verified at 200MHz, etc. ) of running 200MHz now as it has done before with a Thoroughbred 2400+.

 

[Markfw]

For the record, I have a Barton 2500+ that I ordered less than 2 months ago with a stepping from late 2003 which will not hit 11x200. The rest of the system is capable ( A7N8X Deluxe, Antec 330W PSU, Corsair XMS 2700 memtest verified at 200MHz, etc. ) of running 200MHz now as it has done before with a Thoroughbred 2400+.

I have a Barton 2600+ 2 months old that will only do about 195 using OCZ PC4200EL ! I agree those days of everyone having a 2500 hitting 11x200 are gone.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JSSheridan

Originally posted by: ColossusX
I haven't heard of anyone NOT hitting 200mhz FSB on the newer XP2500's with a good, quality nforce2 board and memory, but maybe I don't know the right people.

And I think my question concerning the PSU is still valid, even though you may not run a mobile at "just" 11x200. If an extra bump like that means his current PSU cant handle it, is it the best PSU to use with a desktop Barton? Which was his justification about not upgrading to a mobile.

My mobile 2500 seems to top out at 12x200. The NF7-S's seem to have trouble with 512mb sticks and hitting higher than 200mhz FSB according to the Abit forums, but my power supply that handled my desktop barton at 11x180 (KT400, PC2700) had no trouble with my mobile at 12x200. Of course, my new PSU has no problems what so ever with anything I throw at it.

For the record, I have a Barton 2500+ that I ordered less than 2 months ago with a stepping from late 2003 which will not hit 11x200. The rest of the system is capable ( A7N8X Deluxe, Antec 330W PSU, Corsair XMS 2700 memtest verified at 200MHz, etc. ) of running 200MHz now as it has done before with a Thoroughbred 2400+.

"Corsair XMS 2700"

I dropped a DDR3200 Geil 512 stick in my A78NX-X machine, maybe that is why I hit 200 FSB so easily.

 

[Mik3y]

its not because of the ram, even people with an abit nf7-s rev. 2, corsair xms pc3200, and a strong psu still arent able to hit 200fsb, which really sucks since they put all that money into the more expensive parts for it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
its not because of the ram, even people with an abit nf7-s rev. 2, corsair xms pc3200, and a strong psu still arent able to hit 200fsb, which really sucks since they put all that money into the more expensive parts for it.

I just get a lucky chip?

I also set it to 11.5 X 200 not 11. On 11 it only posts as a 2800XP.

 

[edmundoab]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Most of the new XP2500's aren't making it to 200mhz, but yes, if you get one to 200fsb, you will have an XP3200, which runs at 11x200.

even the used to be impressive XP Mobiles are following suit

 

[Mik3y]

ya, i know, they sux now. well, wuts the word about intel chips? are they getting more difficult to overclock too?