O'Ced QX6700 to 3.5Ghz, but got LOWER 3dMark Scores?

Sammy5000

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Hey Guys - I was able to experiment with overclocking my eVGA 680i (A1 - P29 Bios), QX6700 and Corsair DDR21066 Memory. I got to the point where I found the spot which my CPU was acting stable when I got my FSB to 356 (1424 QDR). I ran stable with Orthos for 4 hours with no errors.

Geeked with the results, I went to benchmark my system via 3DMARK05 to see what the impact would be on my scores. I typically score around 14400 with my setup running at stock speeds (BFG 7950 GX2 at stock). When I ran it the first time, I saw a lot of choppiness that was blatently slower than when I run under stock, and I scored around 8000? Since I thought it was the ya-yo speaking to me, I ran it again and scored 7900.

Now, I must admit that although I am not an expert at o'cing, I was pretty confident about how to oc the cpu. All of the usual suspects were set to disabled (All Spread Spectrums, CPU Thermal Control, Intel Speedstep, C1E Halt State), as well as unlinking my Corsair Memory (disable SLI-Ready Memory, UNLINK FSB-Mmory Clock Mode, and manually set the memory timings/voltage on my modules) to match stock speeds for the mem. Also, my volts were set as follows (1.35 CPU Core, 1.3 CPU FSB, 2.2 Memory, 1.4 SPP, 1.5 MCP, 1.45 HT Nforce). Again, I was running stable via Orthos, and temps were in good range via SpeedFan. Basically, I was manipulating the QDR and modifying voltages and monitoring temps.

Finally, my question - what would cause my performance to go down sooooo much? I think it has to be something that is so simple, I overlooked it. Outside of the Spread Spectrums, I did not change anything else on the System Clocks screen while O'cing, so my gut is telling me that the Mhz for PCIe may be involved, but I am not sure. Any thoughts,
 

Toadster

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I have a similar rig (different video though)

here are my scores:
3DMark06 9085
3DMark05 15385
PCMark2005 7455

have you tweaked voltages at all? maybe your RAM latency bumped up when you clocked it?
 

jpeyton

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You're running a Quad at 3.5GHz/1.35v with a Freezer 7 Pro, and the temps are good? Where do you live, Antarctica?

Download ThrottleWatch and see if your CPU is getting thermally throttled when running CPU intensive apps.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
You're running a Quad at 3.5GHz/1.35v with a Freezer 7 Pro, and the temps are good? Where do you live, Antarctica?

Download ThrottleWatch and see if your CPU is getting thermally throttled when running CPU intensive apps.

This was my immediate suspicion as well when I saw the thread title...thermal throttling.
 

Smartazz

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: jpeyton
You're running a Quad at 3.5GHz/1.35v with a Freezer 7 Pro, and the temps are good? Where do you live, Antarctica?

Download ThrottleWatch and see if your CPU is getting thermally throttled when running CPU intensive apps.

This was my immediate suspicion as well when I saw the thread title...thermal throttling.

Yeah it def. sounds about right considering he's overclocked a quad core so far.
 

aka1nas

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Check your PCI-E link speed in CPU-Z, sometimes upping FSB will cause the link speed to drop to 1x unless you give the chipset more voltage.
 

Sammy5000

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Ok - downloaded Throttlewatch, but at the risk of sounding ignorant, I don't know what I am looking at. I ran SuperPi and saw the speeds remained consistent.
 

stevty2889

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Download core temp and check your temps, I was hitting aboyt 85c on a scythe ninja with my Q6600 at 3.1ghz. Quads run hot, I hit over 60c with water at 3.1ghz..thorttling will kick in at around 100c core temp, on a quad core.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Originally posted by: aka1nas
Check your PCI-E link speed in CPU-Z, sometimes upping FSB will cause the link speed to drop to 1x unless you give the chipset more voltage.



:thumbsup:

You likely need to bump the chipset volts up
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
You're running a Quad at 3.5GHz/1.35v with a Freezer 7 Pro, and the temps are good? Where do you live, Antarctica?

Download ThrottleWatch and see if your CPU is getting thermally throttled when running CPU intensive apps.

ahahahahahahaha..... i had to laugh at this statement. For once i agree with ya.


Originally posted by: stevty2889
Download core temp and check your temps, I was hitting aboyt 85c on a scythe ninja with my Q6600 at 3.1ghz. Quads run hot, I hit over 60c with water at 3.1ghz..thorttling will kick in at around 100c core temp, on a quad core.

Your setup? That doesnt sound right on water @ 3.1ghz I think something is wrong with your loop. I might be able to help, can you list your parts out?
 

lopri

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3DMark05 CPU score is not reliable AT ALL. I wouldn't bother with the score that it gives. For example, with exact same configuration (hardware-wise), I got 11000 in XP and 16000 in Vista, and it changes every time I run it. Also I get a lot lower score with NF680i than with 975X. Whatever the mechanism that it utilizes for testing CPU, it isn't consistent or proper. 3DMark06 CPU score should scale nicely with the quad, though.

Edit: Wait. I am not sure what score you're talking about. You mean, when overclocking CPU you get lower score on the same hardware?
 

DaedalCipher

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I'm having the exact same problem. have a e6300 1.86 that scores around 5000 in 3dmark 06 at stock fsb (266mhz x7), and the highest I was able to get it to run stable in orthos was cranked at 450mhz with the vcore voltage up to 1.312 idle and 1.296 under load (specs say operating range is 1.225-1.325 for that processor), with the memory voltage up +.2 volts (also maxed out).

I have me PCI-E frequency locked in at 100mhz cause I heard that when you crack up the fsb it will move that up proportionally, and they're not supposed to operate higher than 100. I left the thermal monitors enabled, only thing I disabled with the virtualization. mobo is the gigabyte 965p-ds3. Temps looks fine in orthos and 3dmark- never get above 70 C.

The only thing I don't like is that I can't in bios change my RAM timings (stock was 5-5-5-11), and at 450mhz they jump to 5-7-7-19, which sucks but I don't think is causing the problem. I then run 3dmark and it is gay and choppy like his, and I get a score of around 2700, THOUGH, my cpu score is consistently about 70% higher, which is equal to the overclock, and its the sm2 and sm3 scores that have dropped to less than half of the stock run.