#OccupyWallstreet

[Nebor]

I work and shoot with a canadian. He has every single right as a citizen except vote.

Oh, well I was talking about a muslim.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You are being deliberately obtuse. What can/should the police do when protesters block public walkways or otherwise keep other citizens from free passage? Ask nicely? Offer them a kitten? Plead and cajole? What? In my opinion and i'll keep stating it, the police have the power and authorization to use force in order to make people comply with the law. Too bad if you don't like it, if you don't want to see force used on the protesters, tell them not to break the damn law.

You can rob a bank as long as your peaceful, nice, and donate some of it to the OWS movement.

 

[monovillage]

You can rob a bank as long as your peaceful, nice, and donate some of it to the OWS movement.

Yes, you just peacefully file into the bank, peacefully go behind the counter, peacefully open the cash drawer, peacefully remove the money and then peacefully leave the bank. There's nothing the police can do as long as you do it peacefully. Unless they're stormtroopers who spray you with toxic chemicals and violently throw you to the hard ground copping a feel as they do.

 

[Ns1]

Yes, you just peacefully file into the bank, peacefully go behind the counter, peacefully open the cash drawer, peacefully remove the money and then peacefully leave the bank. There's nothing the police can do as long as you do it peacefully. Unless they're stormtroopers who spray you with toxic chemicals and violently throw you to the hard ground copping a feel as they do.

Well if they peacefully walked into the bank and then peacefully sat down and then peacefully refused to leave, I would hope that eventually (after enough warnings) they get sprayed too.

Don't want to get sprayed? Get out of the way when the cops tell you to.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, you just peacefully file into the bank, peacefully go behind the counter, peacefully open the cash drawer, peacefully remove the money and then peacefully leave the bank. There's nothing the police can do as long as you do it peacefully. Unless they're stormtroopers who spray you with toxic chemicals and violently throw you to the hard ground copping a feel as they do.

By jove, I believe your right there ole chap.

 

[spidey07]

This video shows exactly what the movement is about and their mentality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-LschF82o&feature=player_embedded

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Yes, you just peacefully file into the bank, peacefully go behind the counter, peacefully open the cash drawer, peacefully remove the money and then peacefully leave the bank. There's nothing the police can do as long as you do it peacefully. Unless they're stormtroopers who spray you with toxic chemicals and violently throw you to the hard ground copping a feel as they do.

You really are pathetic, trying to defend this.

You really think that a PEACEFUL person, that doesn't obey a police officers commands should be immediately sprayed? Really? Never seen a real protest have you?

Do you support the officers tasering them all, right off the bat? How about cutting to the chase? Ignore a cop, he gets the right to shoot you? That work for you? Would you care to explain the danger the police thought they were in to use pepper spray?

The police have rules, and are supposed to use their training at a minimum level necessary. That is why cops don't shoot people for not obeying commands. They only shoot people when they are an imminent threat to others. These people were none of the above.

These were peaceful protesters, had no violent actions, yet the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray. And you support it., with no legal basis.

This seems appropriate for the right-wing authoritarians that post here:

The second exacerbating development is more subtle but more important: the authoritarian mentality that has been nourished in the name of Terrorism. It’s a very small step to go from supporting the abuse of defenseless detainees (including one’s fellow citizens) to supporting the pepper-spraying and tasering of non-violent political protesters. It’s an even smaller step to go from supporting the power of the President to imprison or kill anyone he wants (including one’s fellow citizens and even their teenaged children) with no transparency, checks or due process to supporting the power of the police and the authorities who command them to punish with force anyone who commits the “crime” of non-compliance. At the root of all of those views is the classic authoritarian mindset: reflexive support for authority, contempt for those who challenge them, and a blind faith in their unilateral, unchecked decisions regarding who is Bad and deserves state-issued punishment.

(bold mine)

Look in the mirror folks, because that is you.

 

[monovillage]

You really are pathetic, trying to defend this.

You really think that a PEACEFUL person, that doesn't obey a police officers commands should be immediately sprayed? Really? Never seen a real protest have you?

Do you support the officers tasering them all, right off the bat? How about cutting to the chase? Ignore a cop, he gets the right to shoot you? That work for you? Would you care to explain the danger the police thought they were in to use pepper spray?

The police have rules, and are supposed to use their training at a minimum level necessary. That is why cops don't shoot people for not obeying commands. They only shoot people when they are an imminent threat to others. These people were none of the above.

These were peaceful protesters, had no violent actions, yet the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray. And you support it., with no legal basis.

This seems appropriate for the right-wing authoritarians that post here:

(bold mine)

Look in the mirror folks, because that is you.

Oh boy, another idiot that thinks that as long as they are peaceful lawbreakers that the police can't and shouldn't be able to do anything about them. Your first lie is that they were immediately sprayed, they weren't. I'd support the police tasering them, but not right off the bat, but after long and comprehensive warnings. Deadly force can be used if the police feel that their life is in danger or if other innocent lives are in danger or if necessary to subdue a dangerous suspect. Not the case here. Yep, the police have rules and were within the rules and within the law when they sprayed the lawbreakers. The lawbreakers had plenty of warning, they should have listened, instead they continued to keep locked arms and didn't obey the lawful orders of the police, then whined and cried and sniffled and had idiots like you do the whining and crying by proxy for them. If they don't want to get sprayed with pepper spray, then they shouldn't break the law in the first place and then break the law again when they are told to disperse and that they can and will be sprayed if they don't. You just got angry about the little peaceful bank robbery, but according to your rules the police wouldn't be able to do anything to stop peaceful bank robbers.

 

[rchiu]

You really are pathetic, trying to defend this.

You really think that a PEACEFUL person, that doesn't obey a police officers commands should be immediately sprayed? Really? Never seen a real protest have you?

Do you support the officers tasering them all, right off the bat? How about cutting to the chase? Ignore a cop, he gets the right to shoot you? That work for you? Would you care to explain the danger the police thought they were in to use pepper spray?

The police have rules, and are supposed to use their training at a minimum level necessary. That is why cops don't shoot people for not obeying commands. They only shoot people when they are an imminent threat to others. These people were none of the above.

These were peaceful protesters, had no violent actions, yet the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray. And you support it., with no legal basis.

This seems appropriate for the right-wing authoritarians that post here:

(bold mine)

Look in the mirror folks, because that is you.

Yeah, sure, as soon as one squatter occupies your front yard and refuse to leave, you'd sing a different tune. Oh by the way, unless you are oblivious to this OWS thingy, you'd know this has continued for 2+ month now, so I don't know where you "skipped everything and went straight to...." come from.

 

[cybrsage]

The OWS movement will end in a few months anyway. Winter is coming and NYC is a VERY cold place in the winter.

 

[palehorse]

The police have rules, and are supposed to use their training at a minimum level necessary. That is why cops don't shoot people for not obeying commands. They only shoot people when they are an imminent threat to others. These people were none of the above.

So, exactly what options existed between the REPEATED warnings of "move out of the street now, or you'll be sprayed and arrested," and actually spraying them? Which tactic, technique, or procedure did the officers supposedly skip?

I'm genuinely curious.

 

[HendrixFan]

Oh boy, another idiot that thinks that as long as they are peaceful lawbreakers that the police can't and shouldn't be able to do anything about them.

You are the strawman king! Nobody has once said that police "can't" or "shouldn't" do "anything" to lawbreakers. We are saying that pepper spray, beating, tazing and other forms of police action are not necessary in the face of a non-violent protest.

Trust me, you would have a winning argument on your hands if people were trying to convince you that the police shouldn't be able to do anything about lawbreakers. But they aren't. Even if you pretend they are.

 

[HendrixFan]

So, exactly what options existed between the REPEATED warnings of "move out of the street now, or you'll be sprayed and arrested," and actually spraying them? Which tactic, technique, or procedure did the officers supposedly skip?

I'm genuinely curious.

How about just arresting them? Why the need to spray them first? There have been hundreds, maybe even thousands of arrests across the nation without the use of pepper spray.

 

[monovillage]

I really doubt you'd be saying the same thing or said the same thing when the protesters were the right to life protesters that were blocking access to clinics. I really doubt if you'd be saying or said the same thing about the Hillsboro Baptists or any other similar groups when they protest funerals. At least I have the same opinion about all of them, that if they break the law, even when protesting, even when proclaiming their non-violence, that the police have the right to use force to remove them and to arrest them. That includes using pepper spray.

 

[cubby1223]

You really are pathetic, trying to defend this.

You really think that a PEACEFUL person, that doesn't obey a police officers commands should be immediately sprayed? Really? Never seen a real protest have you?

Do you support the officers tasering them all, right off the bat? How about cutting to the chase? Ignore a cop, he gets the right to shoot you? That work for you? Would you care to explain the danger the police thought they were in to use pepper spray?

The police have rules, and are supposed to use their training at a minimum level necessary. That is why cops don't shoot people for not obeying commands. They only shoot people when they are an imminent threat to others. These people were none of the above.

These were peaceful protesters, had no violent actions, yet the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray. And you support it., with no legal basis.

This seems appropriate for the right-wing authoritarians that post here:

(bold mine)

Look in the mirror folks, because that is you.

*sigh*

"the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray."

You might have had a point if you said this two months ago. No, you don't get to camp out in the middle of whatever street you choose to for the remainder of your life in the name of "peaceful protest".

You say "the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray." when you know that is a lie. You know your argument is a failure when it is dependent on a lie.

OWS is a failure. The quicker you accept it, the better it is for everyone.

 

[IGBT]

keep the ows squat party going thru the election cycle. Keep the lime light on the obama scum bag base.

 

[cubby1223]

You are the strawman king! Nobody has once said that police "can't" or "shouldn't" do "anything" to lawbreakers. We are saying that pepper spray, beating, tazing and other forms of police action are not necessary in the face of a non-violent protest.

Trust me, you would have a winning argument on your hands if people were trying to convince you that the police shouldn't be able to do anything about lawbreakers. But they aren't. Even if you pretend they are.

I support the immediate tazing and pepper-spraying of you.

Be careful of what you wish for.

Try to create a scenario where a group "wins" not by the merits of their cause, but by the group's relentless ability to be jerks - well, I don't want to give away too much and deprive you of the chance to learn how to thoroughly think through complex situations.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It appears that this young lady is just like the drama queens who posted about this alleged miscarriage in this thread.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016829484_occupybaby23m.html

Fox's former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, said Fox called her from Harborview after one recent protest but did not mention she was pregnant. Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."


Stebbins' older daughter echoed the statements in a separate interview.
"I seriously doubt, that if she is claiming she had a miscarriage, that she was even pregnant," said Nicole Botes, who has known Fox for a decade. "I'd like to see actual medical reports."

 

[cybrsage]

[tinfoilhat]
Her name is Fox, and we all know Fox lies about eveything.
[/tinfoilhat]

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It gets better.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Flaws-noted-in-Occupy-Seattle-protester-s-2283349.php

Fox also claimed in September that she was three months pregnant, according to a police report obtained by seattlepi.com.

Late on Sept. 22, Seattle police say, they found Fox and several others squatting in a vacant building at 1250 Denny Way, which used to be a Greyhound maintenance facility. The building and grounds are secured by a fence and doors were either locked or boarded over.

A security officer told police six people were hiding in a dark garage area at the property, now owned by City Light. One of the men, Zachary Johannes, swore at one of the security officers and took a fighting stance, according to the report.

Another of the squatters had a juvenile court warrant and allegedly lied about her name because she was a runaway. She was booked into the Youth Service Center.

Fox "said she is three months pregnant with Johannes' baby and began crying when he was arrested," the report reads. "(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming it hurt."

Fox was treated at the scene and transported to Harborview Medical Center by a fire department aid unit. She wasn't charged in the incident, but the man she said was the baby's father was charged with first-degree criminal trespass, assault and false reporting.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Yeah, sure, as soon as one squatter occupies your front yard and refuse to leave, you'd sing a different tune. Oh by the way, unless you are oblivious to this OWS thingy, you'd know this has continued for 2+ month now, so I don't know where you "skipped everything and went straight to...." come from.

Wait, students at UC Davis were sitting there for months? Really?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

*sigh*

"the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray."

You might have had a point if you said this two months ago. No, you don't get to camp out in the middle of whatever street you choose to for the remainder of your life in the name of "peaceful protest".

You say "the police skipped everything and went straight to pepper-spray." when you know that is a lie. You know your argument is a failure when it is dependent on a lie.

OWS is a failure. The quicker you accept it, the better it is for everyone.

Again, UC Davis protesters were there for two months? Proof?

You do realize that OWS is a bunch of separate events basically, right? So the fact that OWS in NYC has been there for two months doesn't necessarily mean that UC Davis students were there for two months.

Everything I read that this was a one-day rally to protest.

Do you have proof otherwise? Otherwise you are lying again.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Oh boy, another idiot that thinks that as long as they are peaceful lawbreakers that the police can't and shouldn't be able to do anything about them. Your first lie is that they were immediately sprayed, they weren't. I'd support the police tasering them, but not right off the bat, but after long and comprehensive warnings. Deadly force can be used if the police feel that their life is in danger or if other innocent lives are in danger or if necessary to subdue a dangerous suspect. Not the case here. Yep, the police have rules and were within the rules and within the law when they sprayed the lawbreakers. The lawbreakers had plenty of warning, they should have listened, instead they continued to keep locked arms and didn't obey the lawful orders of the police, then whined and cried and sniffled and had idiots like you do the whining and crying by proxy for them. If they don't want to get sprayed with pepper spray, then they shouldn't break the law in the first place and then break the law again when they are told to disperse and that they can and will be sprayed if they don't. You just got angry about the little peaceful bank robbery, but according to your rules the police wouldn't be able to do anything to stop peaceful bank robbers.

First, learn to use the enter key and make new paragraphs.

Geez, you are freaking clueless...what does a peaceful protest (sitting on a sidewalk) have to do with robbing a bank? Answer: Absolutely NOTHING. Talk about intentional ignorance on your part.

Fact: those people did nothing violent. Nothing. The police decided to just point-blank pepper-spray them. So where are the long and comprehensive warnings? They didn't bother. Just go ahead and punish them, since they won't listen to the police. True authoritarian mindset you got there. Did you even read my quote? That is you.

But I am glad you can at least draw a small distinction between the police getting free reign to just shoot them vs tazering/spraying them. You at least have some comprehension of reality. Maybe try exercising that a bit more and using some logic might help?

 

[cybrsage]

Wait, you are claiming they were not told they would be sprayed if they continued to resist prior to them being sprayed? Can you support this?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The police peacefully sprayed the protesters with pepper spray, they did not strike the protesters with batons or use their tazers.