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airdata said:
Thanks for clearing up that you're not trolling and that you're just f'ing stupid.
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Based on your posts you would be stupid enough to get pepper sprayed or struck by a baton.

I bet you even have a sheep's skin on the wall that proclaims your intelligence to boot.
 
michal1980 said:
its just an isolated incident. Time to move on. (just like you OWS supports ignore all bad things done be OWS). If you want to be consistent, then you ignore cops bad actions too.
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Are you claiming that paid public servants should be held to the same standards as random protesters? I always find it very strange that people who jump at the chance to attack incompetence in public sector workers would go so far in defending what is obviously incompetence by the police.

Why is public sector incompetence better when it involves violence?
 
HendrixFan said:
All things in moderation. I think tariffs are a good idea because trade shouldn't be one sided, if it is the appropriate term is looting. Since trade is inevitable, we have to be aggressive about positioning ourselves strongly in that area. We have certainly failed that.

Of all the advantages of countries that have UHC, I would bet that this is the single most important part of them being able to beat us out on costs. Americans are in terrible shape and the collective health has to suffer. Which industry has the desire or clout to lobby head to head with the food (not good food either) and healthcare industry? Any governmental structure that attempts to steer the country towards being healthy will be submarined.

No problem. I don't have a problem with holding people accountable for their debts, bankruptcy and the seven years of pain excluded. It is just that a society built around creating debt and profiting off of debt needs to push people towards debt. This runs counter to a strong middle class as debt reduces their purchasing power. Hold people accountable but don't make it so "easy" to get into debt. Government backing of student loans encourages the banks to encourage institutions to encourage kids to go to college, but not for the education. They just want them to sign up for tens of thousands in loans to be paid off over twenty to thirty years. Debt slavery for all.

Of course that leads into the consumption society which is bad for the middle class but who wants to go there?
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Very good post.
 
Between the bloody face of that battery throwing idiot and the people getting a direct spray of mace - most of you fingermen have tons of crank material.

You can finally thank your capitalist overlords for throwing you something back you can "use".
 
Macamus, private industry doesn't own or operate the police. That's a government thing. If you're mad at the governments treatment of its citizens then we should rally against the government. Blaming private industries for the failures of Government is just more of a poor carpenter blaming his tools.
 
Campus Police Chief Put on Leave in Pepper Spray Incident

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/u...olved-in-pepper-spraying-placed-on-leave.html

The university said Sunday that it had been flooded with comments, including some from alumni who pledged to stop donating.
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The president of the University of California system, Mark G. Yudof, did much the same on Sunday, saying in a statement that he was appalled by the images and that he would convene the system’s 10 chancellors to discuss “how to ensure proportional law enforcement response to nonviolent protest.”

“The time has come to take strong action to recommit to the ideal of peaceful protest,” he said.
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Looks like some positives for the OWS movement.
 
bfdd said:
Macamus, private industry doesn't own or operate the police. That's a government thing. If you're mad at the governments treatment of its citizens then we should rally against the government. Blaming private industries for the failures of Government is just more of a poor carpenter blaming his tools.
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Private industry owns many (perhaps most) politicians. Some of those politicians have a degree of influence over high ranking law enforcement officials of the areas they were elected in.

This is part of the reason most private money except for maybe some contributions by actual individual people should be taken out of elections.
 
blankslate said:
Private industry owns many (perhaps most) politicians. Some of those politicians have a degree of influence over high ranking law enforcement officials of the areas they were elected in.

This is part of the reason most private money except for maybe some contributions by actual individual people should be taken out of elections.
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Absolutely. It should be treated like any other job. You won't get hired at a company if you have a glaring conflict of interest. Yet w\ congress they might go eat a $1000 dinner or play golf w\ some big pharma lobbyist and then magically have legislation pushed through the next week to generate big pharma more profits.

Terms in office should also be limited to prevent people form getting too comfy.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Based on your posts you would be stupid enough to get pepper sprayed or struck by a baton.

I bet you even have a sheep's skin on the wall that proclaims your intelligence to boot.
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Your post makes no sense. But it's ok because your glaring stupidity has earned you a slot on my ignore list. Have a nice day you anti american POS.
 
Apparently the 15 minutes are over for OWS. A majority of people show either ambivalence or lack of interest in OWS and simply don't have an opinion on it at all. About 60% don't know what the movement even stands for, and the disapproval rate for the protest is rising rapidly, from 20% last month to 31% now.

OWS had a chance to make some hay, they had some time in the spotlight, but I don't think there was a coherent message for people to latch onto.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ovement-fails-to-capture-americans-interest/1
 
blankslate said:
Private industry owns many (perhaps most) politicians. Some of those politicians have a degree of influence over high ranking law enforcement officials of the areas they were elected in.

This is part of the reason most private money except for maybe some contributions by actual individual people should be taken out of elections.
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So? Start lobbing the heads of politicians off and they'll stop taking money. Most people seem to value their life much more than the almighty dollar. You're never going to stop people from being douche bags and trying to "buy" their way into power, but you can certainly discourage people from taking such bribes and payments.

The problem I see many of you guys having is holding private industry to the same standards you expect from Government, yet we don't get from either. It's unrealistic, we should hold our Government to a much much higher standard than those of private industries and if them taking money from said private industries is causing issues for the rest of us, it's not a private industry problem, it's a Governmental one.
 
Double Trouble said:
Apparently the 15 minutes are over for OWS. A majority of people show either ambivalence or lack of interest in OWS and simply don't have an opinion on it at all. About 60% don't know what the movement even stands for, and the disapproval rate for the protest is rising rapidly, from 20% last month to 31% now.

OWS had a chance to make some hay, they had some time in the spotlight, but I don't think there was a coherent message for people to latch onto.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ovement-fails-to-capture-americans-interest/1
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Imagine that, most Americans could care less about the OWS. Those that disapprove increases by more than 50%. Wonder if that has to do with them pissing off working stiffs that they either caused to be late going to/from work or they couldn't get to work last Thursday.
 
airdata said:
Your post makes no sense. But it's ok because your glaring stupidity has earned you a slot on my ignore list. Have a nice day you anti american POS.
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I actually though liberals were supposed to be superior/critical thinkers, too fucking stupid to understand when a policeman informs them to disperse or get out of a street that pepper spray or force will be used that they should do as they are told.

Ignore me if you wish as it doesn't matter, just means I won't have an ignorant liberal replying to my posts.
 
airdata said:
Isolated incidents seem to be happening alot at #occupy protests.

I love how you agree that the guy being beaten like that is indeed wrong, but you do it without putting it in your post.

With #occupy, there's no way to account for all sorts of fringe groups who have joined the ranks of the protests. I've said before it's a cluster fuck.

Now, with the police...it's different. They're all trained and should know the limits of what they can and can't do. A real police officer would not start beating a person like that. Arrest him without beating him... not a tough concept. Police like this who go out and lose their shit shouldn't be there. Obviously the guy should look into other fields of employment if he has such anger management issues.
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Wait, you just said it is ok for the non-bathers to do wrong things because there will always be bad apples, but if a cop does something wrong then the entire police force is evil and wrong.

Is it a double standard or is it hypocrisy you are supporting?
 
bfdd said:
So? Start lobbing the heads of politicians off and they'll stop taking money. Most people seem to value their life much more than the almighty dollar. You're never going to stop people from being douche bags and trying to "buy" their way into power, but you can certainly discourage people from taking such bribes and payments.

The problem I see many of you guys having is holding private industry to the same standards you expect from Government, yet we don't get from either. It's unrealistic, we should hold our Government to a much much higher standard than those of private industries and if them taking money from said private industries is causing issues for the rest of us, it's not a private industry problem, it's a Governmental one.
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Yep.
 
bfdd said:
So? Start lobbing the heads of politicians off and they'll stop taking money. Most people seem to value their life much more than the almighty dollar. You're never going to stop people from being douche bags and trying to "buy" their way into power, but you can certainly discourage people from taking such bribes and payments.

The problem I see many of you guys having is holding private industry to the same standards you expect from Government, yet we don't get from either. It's unrealistic, we should hold our Government to a much much higher standard than those of private industries and if them taking money from said private industries is causing issues for the rest of us, it's not a private industry problem, it's a Governmental one.
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So? You're kidding right?

In case you aren't... you just admitted that your statement that private industry doesn't own or operate the police; while technically true falls flat on its face when you consider the real world effects of money.

While it is definitely a Government issue, the pervasive effect of outside money is what influenced the elected officials in government to relax regulations that kept private money out of government. Let's just ignore that part of the equation and put the blame solely on the government. That's not a solution. That only makes the problem harder to solve.

While we can point fingers and try to assert that government has more blame vs. private industries or vice versa, but realize that they're definitely both to blame.

In regards to different standards. Sure we can hold government employees to a higher standard, however, being elected to public office doesn't turn someone into a saint by the same token going into private business doesn't magically remove all knowledge of right and wrong from a person.

They still know right from wrong and they should still be held accountable. If we start lopping off heads of government officials over taking campaign money from private industry then start taking the heads of CEO's who cause loss of life by ignoring hazards in their products or services for the sake of a little more profit.

Fair is fair.
 
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Blankslate, failures of Government still. Private business will do what private business does, I do not hold them to the same standards as those who wish to lead us and seek that kind of "power" over the masses. Also, don't think I'm against the lopping off of heads of "evil" business practitioners. Just that pointing the finger and demanding they change is ignorant of the true problems. Also, you bring Government in line and Private business will soon follow.

You're asking me to give a pass on our "leaders" simply because they're human and I just can't do that. If you don't have the mental constitution to resist corruption you have no place being in public office or any sort of public position of power.
 
JSt0rm said:
Mainstream media has done their job and confused the populous as to the actual message of the protestors. It just shows how effective this type of propaganda is.
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What do you mean? I've talked to people from different Occupy movements around the USA and there isn't a consistent message from any of them other than "RICH PEOPLE ARE SCREWING US!!" which I might agree with, but put so bluntly and simply doesn't change the situation. Then add to the fact they're protesting Wall Street outside of Wall Street instead of rallying in front of Federal buildings demanding change, makes it look to me like they have no fucking clue what is wrong with the nation and what they think would fix it I believe to be completely fucking wrong and retarded. More regulation isn't going to do anything because the private banks still own the right to print our currency. The greatest form of banking regulation is owning the currency in which banks deal. You want REAL banking reform, demand the Federal Government seize control of the Federal Reserve. Then real banking regulation may occur.
 
JSt0rm said:
Mainstream media has done their job and confused the populous as to the actual message of the protestors. It just shows how effective this type of propaganda is.
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actual message of protestors:

WAAAAAAAAAAAH, WAAAAAAAAAH, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
 
JSt0rm said:
Mainstream media has done their job and confused the populous as to the actual message of the protestors. It just shows how effective this type of propaganda is.
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My local protest had the following 'messages'

"End the Fed" - Carried by two punked-out 20-something youths while they cursed at every person that they passed during their march.

"Outlaw Credit Default Swaps" - Carried by a lady who upon questioning, did not know what a CDS was and could not say why they needed to be banned... just that the rich used them to steal from the poor.

"Viva la Revolution"

"Freedom Isn't Free - Government Makes Us Pay"

"We can live without money"

"The end is nigh"

"I blame the fed"

"Make my boss pay taxes too"

"Poverty is the parent of revolution"

So what's the message? Corporations are evil? The fed is evil? The government is evil? We want a revolution? We want to abolish capitalism?

What's the end state? What do they want to happen?
 
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