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Svnla said:
There "are" jobs out there "if" you are willing to work.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.htm

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3000041304&play=1

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/news/economy/1109/gallery.hard_to_fill_jobs/

http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/unemployment/
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lols, but those aren't the jobs they want!

well there are also those who bitch about "waah not how is a new grad supposed to have experience?" get a lower level job and work your fucking way up. what the fuck do they expect?
 
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bfdd said:
there are jobs out there, some not so well paying ones as well, but if you're not doing them I'm not listening to you bitch about them because then you're just a fucking baby who wants to be coddled. so yea WAAH to them, fucking suck it up and work the "shitty" job and then maybe some of us will listen.
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Well, your opinion is well and valid, but I find it cute that you're pretending to be accommodating by saying you'll listen after they work a shitty job.

What you really want to say at that point will be "well they were too dumb to get promoted and move on up".

Just say what you feel man. Don't be a pussy. Be a real man like you're pretending to on ATOT.
 
Ichigo said:
Well, your opinion is well and valid, but I find it cute that you're pretending to be accommodating by saying you'll listen after they work a shitty job.

What you really want to say at that point will be "well they were too dumb to get promoted and move on up".

Just say what you feel man. Don't be a pussy. Be a real man like you're pretending to on ATOT.
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I do listen. I know plenty of people who are on hard times and plenty of people who aren't. I'm just not going to listen to a bunch of babies whine. I know there are things that need to be changed and the message I get from these protests don't really seem to address it. So yeah, why the fuck would I listen to someone bitch about a "shitty" job when they don't even have said "shitty" job. As for being "promoted" sometimes that takes ones own effort, as in looking for better employment while still being employed. You do realize you carry extra value along as an employee if you already have employment right? They know they have to do something extra to entice you away. Even if it's something lower.
 
WelshBloke said:
Anyone posted this link yet? Linky

So heh it looks like Spidy was right, there is a class war, he's just blaiming the wrong side.
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I like some of those charts.

The top 20% have 59.4% of the income, but pay 64% of the taxes.

So how much more is their far share?

They claim banks aren't lending. Yet the chart shows they are lending near 2008 levels and more then 2007 levels.

There is only less lending then during the late 2008-2009 time period. A time period where the banks were making tons of bad loans. Loans that pushed them towards needing a bailout. So is this guy saying banks should return to making more bad loans?

Want to see why banks still have problems? Look at those charts.

they claim banks made $211billion in interst, yet their profits are only 58billion. hmm seems like there is alot of cost and overhead.

reading what these occupy hippies wirte on their site. Some might be protesting some of what that site links. But most are protesting something else.

What that is, they dont want to tell us, because they dont want to be 'labeled'. The reality is, they can't be labeled, but because they have no focus, no goal, no demands, just angry, bent up furstration, mainly due to an over inflated ego and sense of worth. Thinking they can get anything they want just by showing up.
 
As idiotic as the organization of this protest is, they have a certain point. However, they need to become lobbyists, not sit down at wall street. But, you know, that would require effort and you'd actually have to confront opposition.

Well, it's getting cold soon anyway. I'd imagine most won't want to be there for that.
 
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Svnla said:
There "are" jobs out there "if" you are willing to work.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.htm

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3000041304&play=1

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/news/economy/1109/gallery.hard_to_fill_jobs/

http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/unemployment/
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Patranus said:
Ssshhh.

(We already know there are plenty of jobs - this isn't about jobs - it is about communism/anarchy/pro Obama)
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bfdd said:
lols, but those aren't the jobs they want!

well there are also those who bitch about "waah not how is a new grad supposed to have experience?" get a lower level job and work your fucking way up. what the fuck do they expect?
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Pure denial. It's the result of believing things that aren't true, things that you want to be true so badly that you believe they are. It's a fundamental disconnect from reality, pure fantasy.

According to the BLS, there are currently 14M unemployed Americans, and a lot more who are under employed, marginally attached or who just gave up.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

The bullshit you're spewing doesn't even approach a significant fraction of that many jobs, and anybody with a lick of sense realizes that's true.
 
Axon said:
As idiotic as the organization of this protest is, they have a certain point. However, they need to become lobbyists, not sit down at wall street. But, you know, that would require effort and you'd actually have to confront opposition.

Well, it's getting cold soon anyway. I'd imagine most won't want to be there for that.
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Organizing would mean they would actually have to work. Sitting down and thinking about actual demands would require thinking. narrowing the focus of the protest would require comprise, planing, and critical thinking.

All of these things are opposite of what this protest is all about - not having things handed to you on a silver platter while sitting on 5th ave sofa paid for by some 'rich' guys money, because that rich guy might have gotten or benefited from some 'bailout', but mainly because he's rich, and being rich is bad, and so your owed your 'fair' share for just being alive.
 
michal1980 said:
Organizing would mean they would actually have to work. Sitting down and thinking about actual demands would require thinking. narrowing the focus of the protest would require comprise, planing, and critical thinking.

All of these things are opposite of what this protest is all about - not having things handed to you on a silver platter while sitting on 5th ave sofa paid for by some 'rich' guys money, because that rich guy might have gotten or benefited from some 'bailout', but mainly because he's rich, and being rich is bad, and so your owed your 'fair' share for just being alive.
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Nah, that's the media portrayal. I've been down there. It's more of a sort of undirected anger, as you indicated, but also a feeling that the middle class is being picked on and they're not going to take it.

There's also a distinct lack of accountability in a lot of these guys, which turned me off to their points in a large way. However, I do agree with their disgust regarding the typical corporate manipulation of our legislative system. If you saw that foreign tax reduction senate subcommittee yesterday, that sums things up nicely.
 
michal1980 said:
And now what?

Now you work B!tch.

Is that so hard to understand? or do these modern slackers actually belive that if they went to college they would get a diplomia, a house, a bmw, and a 100k/ year for doing nothing?
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We hired a number of these clowns back in 2000. Seems so long ago, but the mentality is the same.

Hired them right out of college... They came in acting like they owned the place. Not one had a work ethic, sense of professionalism, etc. They had no problem voicing how temporary that job was for them and how they should be paid more.

So we fired some of them and laid off the rest when the 2001/2202 recession hit. I'm sure they are all doing better in life now that they got a taste for the real world and that little life lesson we taught them.

I blame the education "industry" in part as these kids are coming out of school with so much debt for generic degrees that it drives their high expectations. I also blame their parents. Far too many of them grew up coddled and given everything they wanted. Finally, society, pop culture, etc teaches these young kids that a degree is the gateway to all material things in life. - I find it funny that they are actually protesting in part consumerist mentality and those with high material possessions.
 
Jhhnn said:
Pure denial. It's the result of believing things that aren't true, things that you want to be true so badly that you believe they are. It's a fundamental disconnect from reality, pure fantasy.

According to the BLS, there are currently 14M unemployed Americans, and a lot more who are under employed, marginally attached or who just gave up.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

The bullshit you're spewing doesn't even approach a significant fraction of that many jobs, and anybody with a lick of sense realizes that's true.
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Yes, I'm in pure denial of the fact the day laborers in their line at Home Depot are still being hired while entitled American born children go protest for higher wages for the jobs they don't work. Jhhnn, not EVERYONE is out of a job because they don't want to work. Just most of them. Especially the people 20-30, you know the people in my generation. They don't want to work, they don't want a job, they want to play games and get paid for it. They want someone to pay them 60-100k+ a year to do whatever they want to do, not actually work. That's silly. A job is a fucking job, it's used to make money to feed yourself. It's nothing more than that and anyone who thinks their "above" a certain job is a piece of shit human trash.
 
Axon said:
As idiotic as the organization of this protest is, they have a certain point. However, they need to become lobbyists, not sit down at wall street. But, you know, that would require effort and you'd actually have to confront opposition.

Well, it's getting cold soon anyway. I'd imagine most won't want to be there for that.
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I think any rational and coherent points of they might have get completely drowned out by allowing idiots to participate in their midst. I know they wanna have the strength in numbers, but having anarchists, commies and lib-morans along side of them only weakens their point.
 
Jhhnn said:
Pure denial. It's the result of believing things that aren't true, things that you want to be true so badly that you believe they are. It's a fundamental disconnect from reality, pure fantasy.

According to the BLS, there are currently 14M unemployed Americans, and a lot more who are under employed, marginally attached or who just gave up.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

The bullshit you're spewing doesn't even approach a significant fraction of that many jobs, and anybody with a lick of sense realizes that's true.
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Pure fantasy? Did you read my other post, #634 , about the protesters want their student loans to be forgiven while being clueless and aimless? Who would want to hire employees like those?

There are jobs out there, but a person will have to work extra hard, maybe harder than ever to find and get them.

Bullshit? Hummm, MSN/CNBC and CNN are bullshit to your left wingers now? Did any of the protesters even try to get jobs at other states with much lower unemployment rate such as Nebrska, North Dakota? Oh, it is much easier to protest and whine about "lack of jobs" than dig deep down and pull yourself back up with your own boots.
 
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Hey, you rightwing dogshits, you're not very popular compared to the OWS movement, deal with it:

Twice as may Americans view the OWS favorably over the Tea Party. And the ones who view the OWS protestors "very favorably" triple the equivalent who view the Tea Party "very favorably".

Also remember, almost 70% of Americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy. There *IS NO 53%*, get over it you idiot rightwingers, America is starting to wake up.

http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/

Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS YOUR OPINION OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEA PARTY TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 8%

SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 19%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 9%

VERY UNFAVORABLE 24%

DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 39%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1%

Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 25%

SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 29%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 10%

VERY UNFAVORABLE 13%

DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 23%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1%
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The Teaparty allowed itself to be hijacked for the most part. Of course their popularity will go down. The moment OccupyWallstreet can be linked to a group identity it'll lose popularity as well. This is why it's important they keep denouncing any groups backing them or co-opting the protests.
 
Phokus said:
Hey, you rightwing dogshits, you're not very popular compared to the OWS movement, deal with it:

Twice as may Americans view the OWS favorably over the Tea Party. And the ones who view the OWS protestors "very favorably" triple the equivalent who view the Tea Party "very favorably".

Also remember, almost 70% of Americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy. There *IS NO 53%*, get over it you idiot rightwingers, America is starting to wake up.

http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/
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Polls taken by Time Magazine are highly prejudicial against conservatives, being taken during working hours.
 
bfdd said:
The Teaparty allowed itself to be hijacked for the most part. Of course their popularity will go down. The moment OccupyWallstreet can be linked to a group identity it'll lose popularity as well. This is why it's important they keep denouncing any groups backing them or co-opting the protests.
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This,
when it first started, the tea party was just a populist anger aimed towards the adverse selection of the people that got gov't help (i.e. moral hazard). Then it turned into a neoconservative cluster$@#$.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...ding-even-as-its-star-Michele-Bachmann-shines
 
bfdd said:
Yes, I'm in pure denial of the fact the day laborers in their line at Home Depot are still being hired while entitled American born children go protest for higher wages for the jobs they don't work. Jhhnn, not EVERYONE is out of a job because they don't want to work. Just most of them. Especially the people 20-30, you know the people in my generation. They don't want to work, they don't want a job, they want to play games and get paid for it. They want someone to pay them 60-100k+ a year to do whatever they want to do, not actually work. That's silly. A job is a fucking job, it's used to make money to feed yourself. It's nothing more than that and anyone who thinks their "above" a certain job is a piece of shit human trash.
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Raving & half baked accusations- so cute. Have the sources you listed offered that there are anywhere near enough jobs to fill the gap created by the collapse of the flimflam Ownership Society?

Obviously not. If there were one empty job in the US and twice as many unemployed as today, the usual ravers would find that sufficient to accuse all the rest of not wanting to work.

Unemployment is up everywhere, and seems to be stuck where it's at.

That's the Job Creators at work, huh? Corporate profits & cash reserves are at all time highs, America's wealthiest are doing as well as ever with the lowest tax rates of any first world rich, interest rates are at historic lows, too.

Yet unemployment is an enormous problem, because this isn't a normal business cycle recession, at all. It's a balance sheet recession/depression, a liquidity trap, something that the FRB is powerless to overcome & that the private sector has no reason or desire to overcome, either.

There are consequences to the greatest looting spree in the history of finance, & we're living them. That's just another name for the Ownership Society based on self regulated international banking in a free trade environment, cutting red tape & lowering standards so that even people with lousy credit & no jobs could speculate in real estate, too, just like the big boys, drive prices through the roof.
 
bfdd said:
Yes, I'm in pure denial of the fact the day laborers in their line at Home Depot are still being hired while entitled American born children go protest for higher wages for the jobs they don't work. Jhhnn, not EVERYONE is out of a job because they don't want to work. Just most of them. Especially the people 20-30, you know the people in my generation. They don't want to work, they don't want a job, they want to play games and get paid for it. They want someone to pay them 60-100k+ a year to do whatever they want to do, not actually work. That's silly. A job is a fucking job, it's used to make money to feed yourself. It's nothing more than that and anyone who thinks their "above" a certain job is a piece of shit human trash.
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People looking for jobs doesn't create jobs. This economy will not support full employment. That is non-debatable. There are not droves of empty positions waiting to be filled. That is a fact. Consequently, "laziness" of unemployed people is irrelevant. It might be 1% or 99% that are lazy. It doesn't matter. Let's say that 99% are lazy, and a bunch of those people suddenly unlazied themselves and started trying really hard to get jobs, even trying for low paying jobs as you suggest. The jobs aren't there. Some might get jobs, sure, but then they're displacing others. They aren't going to lower the total amount of unemployment because they get jobs for themselves. Again, you do not create a job by trying really hard to get a job. That isn't how the economy works. "Lazy" only matters if there is a labor shortage and lots of unfilled positions out there. That isn't the case right now.
 
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