#OccupyWallstreet

[Bowfinger]

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This picture says 1000 words.

You like simple-minded stereotyping?

Is "simple-minded" one word or two? I have 995 or 996 words left.

As the working stiff pass by these protesters, they only get a few seconds maybe a a minute of exposure to them. What message do you think the working stiff gets out of it when they pass by that crowd?

How is any of this effective in conveying any message?

Got you talking about it. Inspired one of the longest threads in P&N history (and presumably similar discussions elsewhere). Got the national media and a fair number of Americans talking about corruption by Wall Street and concentration of wealth instead of the usual bogus wedge issues like guns, gays, and abortion.

 

[werepossum]

FTFY

I can understand and even in many cases agree with those who criticize OWS for being disorganized, lacking cohesive direction, or not doing enough to manage their violent fringe. You lose me completely, however, when you make asinine comments like OWS wants "to destroy the underpinnings of our society and our wealth." Comments like that come from delusions or willful dishonesty. Presumably you've joined Spidey in ignoring the 97% in favor of the 3% that match your RNC propaganda points.

Hey, 1980 called. It wants its forum arguing technique back.

To the extent that OWS has demanded anything, it's been worldwide forgiveness of debt and the abolition of capitalism. To the extent that OWS could accomplish those things, they ARE some of the most important underpinnings of our society. America without capitalism wouldn't be America; the abolition of debt would prevent anything ever again being funded with debt, for who would be so foolish as to make a loan when that precedent has been established?

EDIT: And you didn't just get us talking about OWS, you got us laughing our asses off making fun of them. Thanks!

 

[Bowfinger]

Hey, 1980 called. It wants its forum arguing technique back.

I suppose that's one way to dodge a point.

To the extent that OWS has demanded anything, it's been worldwide forgiveness of debt and the abolition of capitalism.

False. That's exactly my point. You fall to such dishonest (or deluded) talking points instead of making honest arguments. OWS is first and foremost about corruption and greed. Yes, there have been individuals and fringe elements who've proposed all sorts of "interesting" ideas, but they are not the core message of OWS.

All one has to do to see this is look at the 97% instead of lying behind the 3%.

To the extent that OWS could accomplish those things, they ARE some of the most important underpinnings of our society. America without capitalism wouldn't be America; the abolition of debt would prevent anything ever again being funded with debt, for who would be so foolish as to make a loan when that precedent has been established?

Thank God that's not what OWS is trying to do then, huh?

EDIT: And you didn't just get us talking about OWS, you got us laughing our asses off making fun of them. Thanks!

I'm glad the devoted drones of the corrupt status quo find mirth in the destruction of America. No doubt your grandchildren will enjoy the stories about how grandpa held the door while his elite lords plundered the little beggars' future.

 

[werepossum]

I suppose that's one way to dodge a point.



False. That's exactly my point. You fall to such dishonest (or deluded) talking points instead of making honest arguments. OWS is first and foremost about corruption and greed. Yes, there have been individuals and fringe elements who've proposed all sorts of "interesting" ideas, but they are not the core message of OWS.

All one has to do to see this is look at the 97% instead of lying behind the 3%.



Thank God that's not what OWS is trying to do then, huh?



I'm glad the devoted drones of the corrupt status quo find mirth in the destruction of America. No doubt your grandchildren will enjoy the stories about how grandpa held the door while his elite lords plundered the little beggars' future.

My grandchildren already do enjoy my stories. The crushing debt they've inherited from government overspending, not so much.

 

[PeshakJang]

OWS is employing the long-cherished liberal technique of moral self-justification. Liberals say anything, support anything, and do just about anything, as long as they make it known that they do it against the very same thing.

You can be a racist, as long as you are working to defeat racism.

You can be a sexist, as long as you are working to defeat sexism.

You can be corrupt, as long as you are working to defeat corruption.

You can exploit tax loopholes, as long as you are working to close them.

And once you become part of a group that professes its goals so loudly, you can do any of this without even worrying about the pretense of opposing it, because your group opposes it. Your message and actions, no matter how much in opposition to your group's "stated" principals they may be, suddenly become constructive toward those goals. Greed is no longer greed, because you say you work to defeat greed. Hate is no longer hate, because you are firmly against hate.

This is not up for debate... try as you might, you have to accept it sooner or later.

 

[cybrsage]

Peshak, this thread is not about Affirmative Action and the fact that it is a government endorsed racist program. Please try to keep it on topic, which is the benefits of not bathing for months.

 

[cubby1223]

I suppose that's one way to dodge a point.

False.

You never had a point to begin with.

There was nothing for anyone to dodge.

You can respond to this again with what you *think* was your point, but the rest of us know that it was no point.

 

[Bowfinger]

False.

You never had a point to begin with.

There was nothing for anyone to dodge.

You can respond to this again with what you *think* was your point, but the rest of us know that it was no point.

Whatever you say dear. Certainly I hate to challenge your tremendous expertise in being pointless here. I will suggest, however, that if you'd learn to read and think for yourself instead of mindlessly lashing out with vapid partisan attacks you might actually matter. Ah, dare to dream.

 

[cybrsage]

I noticed Bow did not respond with his point...

 

[Bowfinger]

I noticed Bow did not respond with his point...

I've already posted it at least twice within the last page or so. Just like you, if he didn't read it before, he's unlikely to read it just because I post it again.

 

[cybrsage]

That is a cop out. Just post the link to your last posting of it then. Quick, easy, simple.

 

[Bowfinger]

That is a cop out. Just post the link to your last posting of it then. Quick, easy, simple.

Or better yet, get off your dead, entitled butt and read for yourself. I'm not here to entertain you or indulge you while you're willfully obtuse. You're not special, no matter what your mommy tells you.

 

[cybrsage]

Ah, so you refuse to state your position again, but you expect people to know it. When asked for it, you tell people to do your work for you.

Explains a lot about you.

 

[airdata]

I dunno....it appears they own the DNC 14 times more than they own the GOP. Equal would be something like 7 and 8...or 14 and 14.

Since I'm not a democrat I have no defensive posture to take over that comment. I didn't make the graph, and equal was in the context of all government officials, senators, future presidents. Both parties get huge amounts of money from these people. political party affiliation is meaningless when all of the people are actively being lobbied ( bribed ) by corporations.

I say they should all be recalled.

^
Agreed.

 

[spidey07]

Ah, so you refuse to state your position again, but you expect people to know it. When asked for it, you tell people to do your work for you.

Explains a lot about you.

It's the mind of a liberal on full display - full on bat shit crazy.

 

[Bowfinger]

It's the mind of a liberal on full display - full on bat shit crazy.

Oh Spidey, you're not even trying anymore. You're just posting random stupid sh!t to inflate your post count. I will admit I enjoy the irony of you (Mr. Deny-the-97&#37 calling someone else bat shit crazy. That was good.

Get Well Soon.

 

[werepossum]

I've already posted it at least twice within the last page or so. Just like you, if he didn't read it before, he's unlikely to read it just because I post it again.

The Occupiers' web site's subtitle is "NYC Protest for Worldwide Revolution". To say that worldwide revolution is not a desire to destroy the underpinnings of our society is either extremely naive or blatantly dishonest. One cannot have a successful revolution without necessarily destroying the underpinnings of the existing society - that's the whole point of a revolution.

Many of the items on their web site involve seizing foreclosed homes. The idea that one is entitled to something without paying for it pervades this movement - which is why I refer to them as ticks demanding a bigger slice of dog. Same thing with debt forgiveness and demands for free education, including post grad.

 

[Bowfinger]

The Occupiers' web site's subtitle is "NYC Protest for Worldwide Revolution". To say that worldwide revolution is not a desire to destroy the underpinnings of our society is either extremely naive or blatantly dishonest. One cannot have a successful revolution without necessarily destroying the underpinnings of the existing society - that's the whole point of a revolution.

The core purpose of OWS is fighting corruption and greed. (It even says that on their website, something I didn't realize since I haven't visited it since its early days.) I suppose then if you count corruption and greed as integral "underpinnings of our society," I can understand why you find OWS threatening. On the other hand, I find corruption and greed to be undermining the underpinnings of our society, and therefore welcome OWS' efforts to purge them. I guess it just depends on your personal values.

Many of the items on their web site involve seizing foreclosed homes. The idea that one is entitled to something without paying for it pervades this movement - which is why I refer to them as ticks demanding a bigger slice of dog. Same thing with debt forgiveness and demands for free education, including post grad.

While I largely disagree with that bit of OWS, I certainly empathize with it. After all, they saw Uncle Sugar bail out the Finance sector elites to the tune of close to a trillion dollars, even more if you count the Fed shenanigans. It's certainly easy to understand why they think they might also deserve a little break, if we're giving a thousands of billions of dollars to the very crooks who looted America and trashed our economy.

Maybe we could compromise and just pepper-spray the CEOs and board members who faced no accountability to date. No, I'm sure that's too harsh. We should save that for people exercising their Constitutional rights while sitting peacefully in a public space. Those are the real evil-doers, for sure.

 

[rudder]

Occupy nashville update:

The homeless have moved in to the legislative plaza where occupy has camped out. The governor had to back tack on clearing people out of tents. Perfect opportunity for the homeless since normally they get hit with trespassing arrests for sleeping in the plaza.

However, the homeless can only camp on the other side of the plaza from the occupy people. They must also sign a pledge to be able to stay. The occupy people get upset by the homeless freeloaders when dinner gets cooked.

The occupy people are the ruling class making the rules for the homeless. This whole fucking thing is comical.

 

[cybrsage]

Does that surprise anyone? It is human nature to do that. They are doing exactly what they say others should not do...and I bet they say there is no problem with it either!

 

[Bowfinger]

Does that surprise anyone? It is human nature to do that. They are doing exactly what they say others should not do...and I bet they say there is no problem with it either!

You're lying again. Variations of that moronic talking point have been shot down countless times in this thread. Not that you won't keep repeating it, of course, because parroting disinformation is what you do. Nonetheless, OWS does not have the resources to feed or house the homeless, nor is that their mission. It's attacking corruption and greed.

 

[spidey07]

You're lying again. Variations of that moronic talking point have been shot down countless times in this thread. Not that you won't keep repeating it, of course, because parroting disinformation is what you do. Nonetheless, OWS does not have the resources to feed or house the homeless, nor is that their mission. It's attacking corruption and greed.

And having all debt forgiven, free education through college, a job as a right and other communist ideas. That's their message, you're just so far out of it you see it for what you want it to be instead of what it is.

 

[Bowfinger]

And having all debt forgiven, free education through college, a job as a right and other communist ideas. That's their message, you're just so far out of it you see it for what you want it to be instead of what it is.

Says the screeching little boy, too terrified to open his eyes to the other 97%. Get Well Soon.

 

[cybrsage]

You're lying again.

Everything someone says which does not fall in line with your view is a lie.

No wonder people don't take you seriously...you minimize yourself when you post.

 

[monovillage]

...............Maybe we could compromise and just pepper-spray the CEOs and board members who faced no accountability to date. No, I'm sure that's too harsh. We should save that for people exercising their Constitutional rights while sitting peacefully in a public space. Those are the real evil-doers, for sure.

YES! I could get behind this. Subpoena the bastards and then let lines of citizens pepper spray the crap out of them! I'd pay $20 each to pepper spray the CEO and board members of corporations.........as long as I get to pick the corporations.