Obama's Toughest Critics Ready To Kiss & Make Up

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Some familiar faces are giving their knee pads a good workout, now that Obama won an decisive victory and his blue tide pushed the Democrats into big majorities in Congress.

It makes you wonder how much of their own bullshit they believed in the first place?

Unfortunately, their supporters are a lot less receptive towards Obama, in big part because they still believe all the lies about him being a socialist, communist, terrorist, Muslim, etc.

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By JIM RUTENBERG

That whole anti-American, friend-to-the-terrorists thing about President-elect Barack Obama? Never mind.

Just a few weeks ago, at the height of the campaign, Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota told Chris Matthews of MSNBC that, when it came to Mr. Obama, ?I?m very concerned that he may have anti-American views.?

But there she was on Wednesday, after narrowly escaping defeat because of those comments, saying she was ?extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year.? Ms. Bachmann, a Republican, called Mr. Obama?s victory, which included her state, ?a tremendous signal we sent.?

And it was not too long ago that Senator John McCain?s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, accused Mr. Obama of ?palling around with terrorists.?

But she took an entirely different tone on Thursday, when she chastised reporters for asking her questions about her war with some staff members in the McCain campaign at such a heady time. ?Barack Obama has been elected president,? Ms. Palin said. ?Let us, let us ? let him ? be able to kind of savor this moment, one, and not let the pettiness of maybe internal workings of the campaign erode any of the recognition of this historic moment that we?re in. And God bless Barack Obama and his beautiful family.?

There is a great tradition of paint-peeling political hyperbole during presidential campaign years. And there is an equally great tradition of backing off from it all afterward, though with varying degrees of deftness.

But given the intensity of some of the charges that have been made in the past few months, and the historic nature of Mr. Obama?s election, the exercise this year has been particularly whiplash-inducing, with its extreme before-and-after contrasts.

The shift in tone follows the magnanimous concession speech from Mr. McCain, of Arizona, who referred to Mr. Obama?s victory Tuesday night as ?a historic election? and hailed the ?special pride? it held for African-Americans. That led the vice president-elect, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., to get into the act. During the campaign, Mr. Biden said he no longer recognized Mr. McCain, an old friend. Now, he says, ?We?re still friends.? President Bush, in turn, also hailed Mr. Obama?s victory, saying his arrival at the White House would be ?a stirring sight.?

Whether it all heralds a new era of cooperation in Washington remains to be seen, and it may be downright doubtful. But for now, at least, it would seem to be part of an apparent rush to join what has emerged as a real moment in American history.

The presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin said she was hard-pressed to find a similar moment when the tone had changed so drastically, and so quickly, among so many people of such prominence.

?I don?t think that?s happened very often,? Ms. Goodwin said. ?The best answer I can give you is they don?t want to be on the wrong side of history, and they recognize how the country saw this election, and how people feel that they?re living in a time of great historic moment.?

Others in the professional political class were not so sure. Some wondered whether simple pragmatism was the explanation.

?My experience is, it?s less an epiphany and more a political reality,? said Chris Lehane, a former Democratic strategist who worked on the presidential campaign of Al Gore. ?I?m thinking they will continue in this direction so long as the polls indicate it?s a smart place to be.?

There are notable exceptions: Rush Limbaugh has given no quarter. And while his fellow conservative radio hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham have noted the significance of his victory ? on Wednesday, Ms. Ingraham said ?Obama did make history? and ?It?s not the time to vilify him? ? they seem to be in line with Bill O?Reilly of Fox News. Relishing his new role in the opposition camp, Mr. O?Reilly said, ?The guy is still a mystery, so our oversight will be intense.?

Some lawmakers also do not appear inclined to give up the fight. Representative John A. Boehner, the House minority leader, has already criticized Mr. Obama?s choice of Representative Rahm Emanuel, Democrat of Illinois, as his chief of staff.

But other people who opposed Mr. Obama, like Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, have good reason to try to make up with the winning ticket. As an ardent backer of Mr. McCain, Mr. Lieberman angered the Democrats, who in 2000 nominated him as their vice-presidential candidate. After losing a Democratic primary challenge in 2006 and then winning as an independent, he still continued to caucus with the Democrats.

Attending an event with Mr. McCain in York, Pa., in August, Mr. Lieberman said the race was ?between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not.?

As a speaker at the Republican National Convention, Mr. Lieberman went further than Democrats expected by criticizing Mr. Obama for ?voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground.? (Mr. Obama voted for bills that included plans for withdrawal from Iraq and against others that did not.)

This week Mr. Lieberman, who has been asked by the Democratic Senate leadership to consider giving up his position as the chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, released a statement congratulating Mr. Obama for ?his historic and impressive victory.? It continued, ?The American people are a people of extraordinary fairness.?

Marshall Wittmann, a spokesman for Mr. Lieberman, said that as far as the senator was concerned, ?It?s over, and it?s genuinely time to find unity and move forward behind the new president.?

And what about that whole bit about Mr. Obama not always putting his country first? ?He believes that President-elect Obama ? and, then, Senator Obama ? is a genuine patriot and loves his country,? Mr. Wittmann said. ?The only point he was making in his campaign was about partisanship.?

Mr. Obama is apparently ready to bury the hatchet with his new fans. ?President-elect Obama has made it clear that he wants to put partisanship behind and work together to solve the many challenges confronting the country,? said Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for the Obama transition team. ?We?re pleased that others do as well.?

The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, who will help decide Mr. Lieberman?s committee assignment, sounded less ready to forgive, at least when it came Mr. Lieberman?s support for Mr. McCain. ?Joe Lieberman has done something that I think was improper, wrong, and I?d like ? if we weren?t on television, I?d use a stronger word of describing what he did,? he said on CNN Friday.
 

TallBill

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Mr. Obama is apparently ready to bury the hatchet with his new fans. ?President-elect Obama has made it clear that he wants to put partisanship behind and work together to solve the many challenges confronting the country,? said Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for the Obama transition team. ?We?re pleased that others do as well.?

Everyone except members of online forums :)
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Topic Title: Obama's Toughest Critics Ready To Kiss & Make Up

What you're seeing in many of them are the other faces of lying two faced losers trying to bury their own bullshit in a bigger pile of the same.
 

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Mr. Obama is apparently ready to bury the hatchet with his new fans. ?President-elect Obama has made it clear that he wants to put partisanship behind and work together to solve the many challenges confronting the country,? said Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for the Obama transition team. ?We?re pleased that others do as well.?

Everyone except members of online forums :)

Zing!
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Topic Title: Obama's Toughest Critics Ready To Kiss & Make Up

What you're seeing in many of them are the other faces of lying two faced losers trying to bury their own bullshit in a bigger pile of the same.

Your hatred is going to eat you alive. You really should try to let it go and move forward.

There was a heated campaign and Senator Obama was the winner. Like it or not, Senator Obama will soon be President Obama and he'll need the support of all Americans. IMO, anyone who cares about this country will put the campaign behind them, offer support, and give him and all of our elected officials a chance.

I still don't think that Senator Obama was the best choice but he is the elected choice and I ask God to bless and watch over him.

After the last election, many Dems intensified their war against the President and I don't think it was good for America as a whole. I try not to cast judgement against these people. It was their right to stand for their beliefs. I just think we have enough problems in this country today and we all need to try to come together, as Americans, to solve some of those problems.

Now is not the time to be bitter or divisive. There'll be plenty of time to voice opposition on issues over the next four years.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Topic Title: Obama's Toughest Critics Ready To Kiss & Make Up

What you're seeing in many of them are the other faces of lying two faced losers trying to bury their own bullshit in a bigger pile of the same.

yOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!
 

Thump553

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Crap, Bachman won reelection? What a bunch of cretins she must have in her district.
 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: Thump553
Crap, Bachman won reelection? What a bunch of cretins she must have in her district.

to be fair, the 'rednecks' also re-elected murtha... :D

and ted stevens + jefferson winning isn't helping....
 

Duwelon

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They voiced their concerns, Obama got elected despite their concerns, but the losing party members are going to work with him, and you still find a way to complain?

OP, you make it sound like the people opposing Obama all of a sudden changed their minds, what makes you think this?
 

techs

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It's the ten percent rule.
Ten percent of voters are black.
Therefore you make nice to the new black President.

Palin disgusts me. She thinks we will forgive her campaign rhetoric in which she implied our new President is a terrorist? She thinks a simple statement fixes all that?
Palin was the hired gun of the radical, religious right wing. No amnesty for mercernaries.
 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: techs
It's the ten percent rule.
Ten percent of voters are black.
Therefore you make nice to the new black President.

Palin disgusts me. She thinks we will forgive her campaign rhetoric in which she implied our new President is a terrorist? She thinks a simple statement fixes all that?
Palin was the hired gun of the radical, religious right wing. No amnesty for mercernaries.

Dumb. Palin did not imply Obama was a terrorist. The RNC pointed out, or whoever it was, that Obama has an unrepentent terrorist as an associate. Not exactly a shining endorsement for someone like Obama whom we know so little of in the way of his actions.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: techs
It's the ten percent rule.
Ten percent of voters are black.
Therefore you make nice to the new black President.

Palin disgusts me. She thinks we will forgive her campaign rhetoric in which she implied our new President is a terrorist? She thinks a simple statement fixes all that?
Palin was the hired gun of the radical, religious right wing. No amnesty for mercernaries.

Dumb. Palin did not imply Obama was a terrorist. The RNC pointed out, or whoever it was, that Obama has an unrepentent terrorist as an associate. Not exactly a shining endorsement for someone like Obama whom we know so little of in the way of his actions.

Yeah, I guess the cries of he's a terrorist at her speeches had nothing to do with, well, her speeches.
 

Lemon law

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For those now following the Stevens matter, there are still a tremendous amount of uncounted early ballots that are likely to be pro Begish biased. Way too early to assume Stevens has that election wrapped up.
More likely, IMHO, Begish will likely win when the final tallies are in if existing trend lines hold.

As for the republicans, all of them will express at least one God Bless Obama to hedge their bets, and go back to trying to torpedo Obama at every opportunity.

As for the democrats, they basically won it all, now the dems need to watch out for their own excesses, its the republicans who need to rethink their strategy, they done lost two elections in a row big time, and if they lose again in 2010, they may be kaput as a national party.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
For those now following the Stevens matter, there are still a tremendous amount of uncounted early ballots that are likely to be pro Begish biased. Way too early to assume Stevens has that election wrapped up.
More likely, IMHO, Begish will likely win when the final tallies are in if existing trend lines hold.

As for the republicans, all of them will express at least one God Bless Obama to hedge their bets, and go back to trying to torpedo Obama at every opportunity.

As for the democrats, they basically won it all, now the dems need to watch out for their own excesses, its the republicans who need to rethink their strategy, they done lost two elections in a row big time, and if they lose again in 2010, they may be kaput as a national party.


Yeah. You rant and rage 24/7 for 2 months every single day. But in one speech you slip in a line that's positive and then you claim all the speeches didn't count because of that line.
How dumb do Republicans think we are?
Apparently, very.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: RY62
Your hatred is going to eat you alive. You really should try to let it go and move forward.

There was a heated campaign and Senator Obama was the winner. Like it or not, Senator Obama will soon be President Obama and he'll need the support of all Americans. IMO, anyone who cares about this country will put the campaign behind them, offer support, and give him and all of our elected officials a chance.

I still don't think that Senator Obama was the best choice but he is the elected choice and I ask God to bless and watch over him.

After the last election, many Dems intensified their war against the President and I don't think it was good for America as a whole. I try not to cast judgement against these people. It was their right to stand for their beliefs. I just think we have enough problems in this country today and we all need to try to come together, as Americans, to solve some of those problems.

Now is not the time to be bitter or divisive. There'll be plenty of time to voice opposition on issues over the next four years.

I think this is a really good post...personally I agree with most everything here except that I won't really do anything to back Obama and his policies if I disagree with them..not that it matters anyway given that I live in one of the most liberal states in the nation and my vote doesn't mean shit here.
 

Jeff7

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One more reason that I think all of this political "bickering" we see in the news is little more than a game, and at the end of the day, they all shake hands.
McCain was slandered to pieces in 2000 by the Bush campaign. But when McCain was next in line as a candidate, Bush & Friends will relentlessly help him out and talk him up as being better than 50 Jesuses.

Kind of like a movie, except most people don't know that that's what they're watching.

And now dirt is coming out about Palin that was previously "off the record." So what else are those who control our information keeping hidden?

 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Some familiar faces are giving their knee pads a good workout, now that Obama won an decisive victory and his blue tide pushed the Democrats into big majorities in Congress.

It makes you wonder how much of their own bullshit they believed in the first place?

Unfortunately, their supporters are a lot less receptive towards Obama, in big part because they still believe all the lies about him being a socialist, communist, terrorist, Muslim, etc.

You are so right! No Democrat has ever said something mean-spirited during any election.

Do you have any clue what politics are actually all about?
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: techs
It's the ten percent rule.
Ten percent of voters are black.
Therefore you make nice to the new black President.

Palin disgusts me. She thinks we will forgive her campaign rhetoric in which she implied our new President is a terrorist? She thinks a simple statement fixes all that?
Palin was the hired gun of the radical, religious right wing. No amnesty for mercernaries.

For some reason I doubt you actually followed what Palin was saying during the campaign. Did you only get the Jon Stewart edited version? The MSNBC edited version?
 

shurato

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: techs
It's the ten percent rule.
Ten percent of voters are black.
Therefore you make nice to the new black President.

Palin disgusts me. She thinks we will forgive her campaign rhetoric in which she implied our new President is a terrorist? She thinks a simple statement fixes all that?
Palin was the hired gun of the radical, religious right wing. No amnesty for mercernaries.

For some reason I doubt you actually followed what Palin was saying during the campaign. Did you only get the Jon Stewart edited version? The MSNBC edited version?

Why don't you educate us then on what she was actually saying?
 

AstroManLuca

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I think it was pretty necessary to change the tone so quickly to try to make up for the highly negative campaigns this year. Also, the fact that the country is in really bad shape makes that even more important.

I think it's sick that campaigns have gotten so negative, because it makes the lies that much more obvious. During the campaign, the candidates will say absolutely anything they can about the other guy to make him sound like the antichrist, but as soon as the elections are over and the politicians have been chosen, all of a sudden the winners aren't so horrible and deserve our support?
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Thump553
Crap, Bachman won reelection? What a bunch of cretins she must have in her district.

Yeah, her getting re-elected says alot about her district.

OP,

What you are seeing is the "honeymoon". Mr Obama's political opponents will be after him by March - April 2009.
 

SecPro

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As usual, the demotards here, starting with the OP, are too fucking stupid to understand what political/campaign rhetoric is. What did Biden say about Obama during the primaries?
 

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Typical Republican kiss the ass of the enemy,this is why I hate repubs