Obama's pot problem

[hal2kilo]

Marijuana's introduction to America came via the caribbean, slaves and traders brought that part of their culture to the US. In fact, that is largely why it was made illegal, for racist reasons. Nothing like a headline saying Black Men on Marijuana on White Women Raping Rampage" to whip up a frenzy.

So no, it was not your white baby boomer generation that is responsible for anyone younger knowing what "pot is", sorry. The majority of that stuff was shitty mexican weed anyway, or grown inside with little knowledge, or more likely some seeds thrown into a field and hoping for the best.

You really think pot culturally would be as big as it is today if it weren't for the whole hippy/counterculture movement which happened at the peak of the baby boomers coming of age?

Until then everything we knew about pot was propaganda from the Hearst Newspapers.

Granted, the stuff had been around for years but just in the boho/beatnick/artist world.

 

[Saint Nick]

They have a lot to lose since people will stop buying prescription/OTC meds and just use MJ instead.

Who needs sleeping pills when you can rip a fatty?

Y_Tomato ()

 

[Gooberlx2]

I don't see legalization really factoring in much to the vote for president, even in Colorado.

Romney hasn't exactly made sympathetic statements to legalization. Progressive, pro-legalization Coloradoans are likely going to be far more terrified of the alternative. Pro-legalization conservatives will vote for 64, but still probably won't change their vote for president either.

 

[davmat787]

You really think pot culturally would be as big as it is today if it weren't for the whole hippy/counterculture movement which happened at the peak of the baby boomers coming of age?

Until then everything we knew about pot was propaganda from the Hearst Newspapers.

Granted, the stuff had been around for years but just in the boho/beatnick/artist world.

I think MJ could be even bigger today if it weren't for the whole hippy/counterculture movement during the baby boomer age. For many, the "dirty pot smoking hippy" was Reefer Madness made real. In other words, for many in the mainstream they reinforced the BS propaganda that is Reefer Madness.

Today marijuana use is on the brink of legality because more and more people realize that it is the lawyer next door, or your elderly relative using for pain relief, you get the idea. In other words, people are accepting of it due to its use in the mainstream, and not the countercultures of today or the 60's. People realize you don't have to be a hippy, or rather, MJ won't MAKE YOU a hippy, if you decide to partake. That is acceptance right there.

Whether you agree or not, does this make sense (not sure I am explaining my thoughts clearly)? Anyway, just my opinion.

 

[xj0hnx]

There's a lot of wealth and industry to be created by just ending the drug war.

Legalizing pot isn't going to do anything in the WoD™. Dispensaries aren't exactly selling Mexican brick. It is annoying how many people talk about "End the War on Drugs", but then only support legalization of weed. Not that that is you, just saying.

 

[Ns1]

Legalizing pot isn't going to do anything in the WoD™. Dispensaries aren't exactly selling Mexican brick. It is annoying how many people talk about "End the War on Drugs", but then only support legalization of weed. Not that that is you, just saying.

I can only speak to the weed, but if we have legalized weed mexican brick would not exist because the made in america product would be better, more plentiful, and cheaper, without the whole cartels-gonna-come-and-decapitate-you thing.

 

[Wreckem]

I can only speak to the weed, but if we have legalized weed mexican brick would not exist because the made in america product would be better, more plentiful, and cheaper, without the whole cartels-gonna-come-and-decapitate-you thing.

I don't know about cheaper than the mexican crap. The stuff would be cheaper than it currently is, but I don't see it ever getting to the same cheap level of substandard mexican marijuana. The medical marijuana industry has spent millions in research and development over the past 10 years. Some stuff would only get cheaper when newer/better high end product comes out.

Watching those Discovery Documentaries and the Harborside Reality Show was kind of eye opening on just how much they have advanced marijuana research since the late 1990s.

 

[Ns1]

I don't know about cheaper than the mexican crap. The high end stuff would be cheaper than it currently is, but I don't see it ever getting to the same cheap level of substandard mexican marijuana. The medical marijuana industry has spent millions in research and development over the past 10 years and some of their high end products are super expensive. The high end will only get cheaper when newer/better high end product comes out.

It's only expensive because of the high risk associated with it, along with crazy high demand for the premium shit.

Practically unlimited demand / limited number of supply = prices still remain high

If it became legal everyone and their mom would grow HQ shit which would make mexican brick worthless.

 

[xj0hnx]

It's only expensive because of the high risk associated with it, along with crazy high demand for the premium shit.

Practically unlimited demand / limited number of supply = prices still remain high

If it became legal everyone and their mom would grow HQ shit which would make mexican brick worthless.

This. The only reason "medical grade" 'dro is expensive is because it isn't legal to grow. I've got a friend of a friend that's been growing for 25+ years, and his shit is unbelievable ...so I've heard

 

[Ns1]

This. The only reason "medical grade" 'dro is expensive is because it isn't legal to grow. I've got a friend of a friend that's been growing for 25+ years, and his shit is unbelievable ...so I've heard

Yup, BUY AMERICAN.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dunno about California, but federal enforcement in Colorado has been token at best, and likely in response to local politicos.

I drive past at least half a dozen dispensaries in a 4 block stretch on S Broadway on my way to work every day, and there's *obviously* a large grow house operation not far from our shop. The immediate vicinity reeks of skunkweed, particularly on hot days when venting is required.

Denver, apparently, is content to allow dispensaries, and likely discourages the feds when the opportunity is presented.

It's not like pro-legalization people are likely to vote for Romney under normal circumstances, other than the Libertopian splinter.

Congress put themselves in a very sticky position when they legalized MMJ in DC, equal protection being what it is...

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/congress_oks_medical_marijuana_everywhere_with_dc.php

Now that the deed has been done, it's really just a matter of time until the argument reaches the SCOTUS. They'll definitely have to employ some serious pretzel logic dancing on the head of a legalistic pin to rule against MMJ, but they've done a lot of really stupid shit under the current conservative majority.

MMJ is just backdoor legalization, anyway. Anybody who's willing to pay $100 & claim aches & pains can obtain a script, and if you think they don't share with their friends, you're crazy.

Outright legalization would greatly curtail profits, which is why the dispensary industry in California opposed the measure. High quality pot is not hard to grow, at all, even outdoors, if you have strains that will flower at long day lengths. Tropical strains won't, but Afghan & Korean varieties will, along with some others, I'm sure. I speak from experience of long ago...

 

[Ns1]

" Dunno about California, but federal enforcement in Colorado has been token at best, and likely in response to local politicos."

The situation is similar in CA, however feds still raid shit on a weekly basis.

I'm pro legalization and pro MMJ, but the situation has gotten way out of hand. There were 4 dispensaries in a 1 block stretch of road near my house.

Outright legalization would greatly curtail profits, which is why the dispensary industry in California opposed the measure.

100% this.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

As for Obama's pot "problem", it must not be a problem at all if he managed to ascend to the Presidency of this country.

 

[davmat787]

As for Obama's pot "problem", it must not be a problem at all if he managed to ascend to the Presidency of this country.

But his stance that allowed him to ascend to the Presidency is the exact opposite of the current reality. Not that I think MMJ is a key issue by any means, but you do realize what is different in Obama's stance on marijuana pre and post election, right?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

But his stance that allowed him to ascend to the Presidency is the exact opposite of the current reality. Not that I think MMJ is a key issue by any means, but you do realize what is different in Obama's stance on marijuana pre and post election, right?

I do realize that the people he sent memos to asking them not to prosecute and raid dispensaries did not follow the orders of their commander in chief. You do realize THAT, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

But his stance that allowed him to ascend to the Presidency is the exact opposite of the current reality. Not that I think MMJ is a key issue by any means, but you do realize what is different in Obama's stance on marijuana pre and post election, right?

I do realize that the people he sent memos to asking them not to prosecute and raid dispensaries did not follow the orders of their commander in chief. You do realize THAT, right?

If heads roll after the election, we'll have our answer.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The California situation is unfortunate, IMO. The state is run by drug dealers, plain and simple. Sure there are lots of legitimate guys out there, but they voted to keep it illegal for obvious reasons.

50+% of Californians are drug dealers and/or receive income from drug dealers?

More like 50+% of Californians realized that legalizing MJ was not a good thing to do.

the losers are the ones that want to blame the drug dealer angle rather than admit that they either could not get their message across or tht they are living under the influence of pot itself.

 

[Rainsford]

Problem is that the Libertarian party can't gain ground anywhere. Too many uninformed people. D/R are influenced by religion so that doesn't help. We had an initiative here in Nebraska to legalize but obviously that failed miserably.

I think the Libertarian party (and small 'L' libertarians in general) would gain a lot more ground if they spent more time looking at themselves and less time complaining that everyone is stupid. Maybe the problem isn't that people are uniformed sheep, maybe the problem is that libertarians don't make a very compelling argument to people who aren't already libertarians.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think MJ could be even bigger today if it weren't for the whole hippy/counterculture movement during the baby boomer age. For many, the "dirty pot smoking hippy" was Reefer Madness made real. In other words, for many in the mainstream they reinforced the BS propaganda that is Reefer Madness.

Today marijuana use is on the brink of legality because more and more people realize that it is the lawyer next door, or your elderly relative using for pain relief, you get the idea. In other words, people are accepting of it due to its use in the mainstream, and not the countercultures of today or the 60's. People realize you don't have to be a hippy, or rather, MJ won't MAKE YOU a hippy, if you decide to partake. That is acceptance right there.

Whether you agree or not, does this make sense (not sure I am explaining my thoughts clearly)? Anyway, just my opinion.

We'll just have to agree to disagree of this one. GI's getting exposed to it in Vietnam also helped.

 

[werepossum]

What makes you think the leaders of these agencies ignored Obama, as opposed to Obama changing the policy? While the change in policy was likely encouraged by these agencies, unless I see proof to the contrary, Obama is in charge here and is presumptively in active approval of this crackdown.



Off point. A very strong majority of Californians, and in fact a solid majority of Americans, support legalization of pot for *medical purposes.* This crackdown is aimed almost solely at medical pot dispensaries. We in California voted to legalize these dispensaries; therefore, we prefer that the federal government stand down.

I'm pro-Obama and voting for him in November, yet I am unwilling to make excuses for him here.

- wolf

Good for you. I'm anti-Obama, will not be voting for him in November, and am mildly supportive of legalization, yet I am unwilling to criticize him for enforcing the law. (Assuming it's not an actively evil law like Jim Crowe.) If he succeeds in getting the law changed by Congress (as opposed to issuing an Imperial Bull changing it), I'll support that too.

 

[bfdd]

xjohnx, in all fairness there are some clinics that do sell mexican brick. i've seen it first hand and it's usually dirt f'n cheap. though that's an extreme rarity. i've seen a lot more stuff from up north lately, emerald triangle grown.

 

[wirednuts]

just fucking legalize it already. this country is so fucking retarded

 

[wirednuts]

As for Obama's pot "problem", it must not be a problem at all if he managed to ascend to the Presidency of this country.

our last 3 presidents smoked weed. its obvious how that shit ruins your mind and destroys your body.

 

[Saint Nick]

I think the Libertarian party (and small 'L' libertarians in general) would gain a lot more ground if they spent more time looking at themselves and less time complaining that everyone is stupid. Maybe the problem isn't that people are uniformed sheep, maybe the problem is that libertarians don't make a very compelling argument to people who aren't already libertarians.

Let's just get rid of a party system and have crazy anarchy!

 

[bfdd]

I think the Libertarian party (and small 'L' libertarians in general) would gain a lot more ground if they spent more time looking at themselves and less time complaining that everyone is stupid. Maybe the problem isn't that people are uniformed sheep, maybe the problem is that libertarians don't make a very compelling argument to people who aren't already libertarians.

partially true. the biggest issue is everyone is to busy believing their own bullshit. that goes for me as well.