Obama's letter about health care

[cubby1223]

"The insurance companies and their allies don't like this idea"

This is why I hate this health-care reform bill, and this administration - it's being sold as "it's us vs. them. You're either on the side of good America, or you are on the side of evil corporations."

:roll:

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO is a liar.

Abortion is legal. Deal.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: spidey07
He just keeps lying and lying and lying. It is HE who is spreading the misinformation and bold face lying to the american people.

"I no sooner want government to get between you and your doctor than I want insurance companies to make arbitrary decisions about what medical care is best for you"

Bullshit Barrack. You're on record as wanting a single payer system as well as on record as saying you want to eliminate private insurance companies. Stop lying. Your goal has always been government only, single payer, universal healthcare.

There is nothing wrong with that. Just lunatics like you spreading the fear. Single payer UHC would be the best.

Death panels, bureaucrats deciding your health... yeah, those aren't lies. The more you pretend that they aren't lies, the more it strengthens us. We are dealing with the demented.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
He just keeps lying and lying and lying. It is HE who is spreading the misinformation and bold face lying to the american people.

"I no sooner want government to get between you and your doctor than I want insurance companies to make arbitrary decisions about what medical care is best for you"

Bullshit Barrack. You're on record as wanting a single payer system as well as on record as saying you want to eliminate private insurance companies. Stop lying. Your goal has always been government only, single payer, universal healthcare.

There is nothing wrong with that. Just lunatics like you spreading the fear. Single payer UHC would be the best.

Death panels, bureaucrats deciding your health... yeah, those aren't lies. The more you pretend that they aren't lies, the more it strengthens us. We are dealing with the demented.

He does lie. All the time. Read my post directly above this, the same question goes to you.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

It specifically states that it doesn't cover illegals. Keep using that to justify your racism though.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

It specifically states that it doesn't cover illegals. Keep using that to justify your racism though.

It specifically states that NO ONE CAN BE DENIED HEALTH CARE, that would include illegals.

And why did you just call me racist?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

Fail

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
It specifically states that NO ONE CAN BE DENIED HEALTH CARE, that would include illegals.

And why did you just call me racist?

Anyone that makes a giant deal out of illegal immigration is a racist. Deal with it, you're in a country that willingly accepts bigotry, be happy and content.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

Fail

If its such fail why don't you prove me wrong. No, instead you will make no valid points and just act like a tool all day. Seriously man, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'll admit it. But please, show me how I'm wrong.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
It specifically states that NO ONE CAN BE DENIED HEALTH CARE, that would include illegals.

And why did you just call me racist?

Anyone that makes a giant deal out of illegal immigration is a racist. Deal with it, you're in a country that willingly accepts bigotry, be happy and content.

Who made a giant deal out of illegal immigration? All I've said is that Obama says illegals will not be covered and its been shown how they will be covered. I've actually taken no stance for or against illegals being covered. I am merely contending that Obama is lying.

Seems to me you're the only one making a big deal out of illegal immigration right now. Or maybe its Obama? He brought it up first, is he the racist?


Stop insinuating things, they aren't there.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
It specifically states that NO ONE CAN BE DENIED HEALTH CARE, that would include illegals.

And why did you just call me racist?

Anyone that makes a giant deal out of illegal immigration is a racist. Deal with it, you're in a country that willingly accepts bigotry, be happy and content.

Who made a giant deal out of illegal immigration? All I've said is that Obama says illegals will not be covered and its been shown how they will be covered. I've actually taken no stance for or against illegals being covered. I am merely contending that Obama is lying.

Seems to me you're the only one making a big deal out of illegal immigration right now. Or maybe its Obama? He brought it up first, is he the racist?


Stop insinuating things, they aren't there.

Seriously, he isn't worth the effort. He has shown repeatedly that he is racist and sexist and is merely just projecting his hatred onto others.

 

[BarrySotero]

Personally I like a lot of the illegals more than lot of Americans. However not only will illegals Bogart the system but elders and others will see care go down at the same time. In the UK the NHS just cut back on cortisone injections for chronic joint pain - going from 60,000 to 3000. It's the elderly who will get cut-off according to UK Telegraph. For Alzheimer's the NHS won't give drugs in early or late stages - only on mid stages.

But while all this is going on the is covering a million illegals and "health-care tourists". UK docs cant check citizenship and anyone waiting on "asylum" " hearings has to be covered. Now if the asylum is not granted after hearings to pay - and while seniors are left hanging. It's totally dysfunctional. Paying for Manny while shunning granny is wrong and the elders know it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

Fail

If its such fail why don't you prove me wrong. No, instead you will make no valid points and just act like a tool all day. Seriously man, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'll admit it. But please, show me how I'm wrong.

Sorry, too much Fail to warrant the effort.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

Fail

If its such fail why don't you prove me wrong. No, instead you will make no valid points and just act like a tool all day. Seriously man, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'll admit it. But please, show me how I'm wrong.

Sorry, too much Fail to warrant the effort.

You've posted over 37,000 times on here. Yet you cannot muster the effort to prove someone wrong who is asking to be proved wrong? I am simply asking you to engage in a bit of intellectual banter with me. Please, show me how I am wrong. I would really like to know, as it seems very cut and dry to me.

If cannot be an effort thing, as you have plenty of time to post here. Why don't you want to prove me wrong, whats the real reason?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Does Obama even have an idea of what the current health bill consists of? The people voting on it don't know...

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Anyone that makes a giant deal out of illegal immigration is a racist.

How old are you?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I haven't read the entire email yet, I have to go in a minute, but I felt the need to comment on something.

And we've all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care. I know that sounds scary to many folks. It sounds scary to me, too.

He talks of speaking honestly, but then says something like this. Does anyone actually believe him? After all, this is coming from the guy who strong armed GM and now has the .gov with a controlling stake in the company. I think we can all agree that he has spoken through his actions, that bigger government is what he is shooting for. He wants nothing more than government control. To say otherwise is an outright lie, in my opinion.

Wait a minute, because the government took control of a single bankrupt car company comprising a tiny, tiny fraction of the US economy, with stated plans to divest themselves of it in the shortest possible period of time, you think that he's attempting to take over the entirety of the US health care industry. Doesn't that seem a little silly to you?

I wish he were talking about a single payer system to take over the US health care industry, by the evidence available that's by far the best system. He's not though, and to say that he is, is dishonest.

In short I genuinely wish he WERE lying to you, but there's simply no evidence for that.

He IS lying to us, about mostly everything.

As others have stated in this thread, with the bill as it currently is, illegal immigrants WILL be covered, as you will not be able to deny care to ANYONE. Would you care to defend that point?

You contend that Obama never lies. I contend that he has and does and based on previous lies, that he is going to lie about a lot more. One specific instance outlined above.


Obama claims illegals will not get health care in this bill. But as many have already pointed out, this bill specifically allows ANYONE including illegals to receive health care. Furthermore, it makes it so that you cannot deny care to the illegals.

Defend that and then we can talk about the more complicated lies you claim are truths.

Illegal immigrants are already covered, because you already can't deny care. This is because we're decent human beings, not animals. If you have a problem with that, you missed the boat by about three decades or so.

I most certainly do not contend that Obama never lies, please stop making up positions for me to have. I contend that there is no evidence that he is lying about this, no matter how much I wish he were.

What YOU are doing right now is taking lies about the bill and swallowing them hook, line, and sinker because they feed into ideology that you already agree with.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: monovillage
It depends which Obama you believe. Do you believe this Obama that says that coverage for illegal immigrants is "never even been on the table" in this letter. Or the Obama that says that says that common human decency requires that illegal immigrants can visit any emergency room, even for non emergency care to the estimated cost of 8+ billion dollars a year? So which Obama do you believe?

Unless it gets written into the bills stating that something is explicitly excluded; some legal loophole will allow things to be able to be included/allowed.

And what will happen when someone that is excluded shows up on the medical systems doorstep; are they going to ack for papers/proof and then turn them away.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: monovillage
It depends which Obama you believe. Do you believe this Obama that says that coverage for illegal immigrants is "never even been on the table" in this letter. Or the Obama that says that says that common human decency requires that illegal immigrants can visit any emergency room, even for non emergency care to the estimated cost of 8+ billion dollars a year? So which Obama do you believe?

Unless it gets written into the bills stating that something is explicitly excluded; some legal loophole will allow things to be able to be included/allowed.

And what will happen when someone that is excluded shows up on the medical systems doorstep; are they going to ack for papers/proof and then turn them away.

If you have a problem with illegal immigrants being treated, you're a few decades too late. Nothing in this bill expands their coverage or gives them any new rights that they didn't have before. If you want to oppose medical care for illegal immigrants that's fine, but you're arguing against the wrong bill.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO is a liar.

No one cares about abortion except fringe right wingers.

Do you care about BHO lying?

"Death panels!"

You don't care when your political leaders lie to you, why do you expect the other side to care when their leaders lie to them? How does that work? Particularly in this instance where the lie is more to the Pubs than to the Dems? As opposed to the 'death panels,' where it was just stupid and baldfaced...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO is a liar.

No one cares about abortion except fringe right wingers.

Do you care about BHO lying?

"Death panels!"

You don't care when your political leaders lie to you, why do you expect the other side to care when their leaders lie to them? How does that work? Particularly in this instance where the lie is more to the Pubs than to the Dems? As opposed to the 'death panels,' where it was just stupid and baldfaced...

? duhversion much?

You are a tool if you think the lie is more to the pubs than the dems. It's been pointed out time and time again how BHO is outright LYING and twisting the truth yet somehow it's the pubs who are lying? Puhfugginleeze. Also, it matters exactly ZERO what the pubs are doing when the topic is about BHO lying.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO is a liar.

No one cares about abortion except fringe right wingers.

Do you care about BHO lying?

"Death panels!"

You don't care when your political leaders lie to you, why do you expect the other side to care when their leaders lie to them? How does that work? Particularly in this instance where the lie is more to the Pubs than to the Dems? As opposed to the 'death panels,' where it was just stupid and baldfaced...

? duhversion much?

You are a tool if you think the lie is more to the pubs than the dems. It's been pointed out time and time again how BHO is outright LYING and twisting the truth yet somehow it's the pubs who are lying? Puhfugginleeze. Also, it matters exactly ZERO what the pubs are doing when the topic is about BHO lying.

Lying to oneself is the saddest most Fail type of Lie. You should consider stopping.

 

[monovillage]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: monovillage
It depends which Obama you believe. Do you believe this Obama that says that coverage for illegal immigrants is "never even been on the table" in this letter. Or the Obama that says that says that common human decency requires that illegal immigrants can visit any emergency room, even for non emergency care to the estimated cost of 8+ billion dollars a year? So which Obama do you believe?

Unless it gets written into the bills stating that something is explicitly excluded; some legal loophole will allow things to be able to be included/allowed.

And what will happen when someone that is excluded shows up on the medical systems doorstep; are they going to ack for papers/proof and then turn them away.

If you have a problem with illegal immigrants being treated, you're a few decades too late. Nothing in this bill expands their coverage or gives them any new rights that they didn't have before. If you want to oppose medical care for illegal immigrants that's fine, but you're arguing against the wrong bill.

My problem with Obamas letter is that he knows that this bill will cover illegal immigrants, he tap dances around it by saying "that idea has never been on the table" he knows that they will be, because there's nothing to exclude them from the coverage. I don't oppose medical care for illegal immigrants, i just believe that when it's given they should be billed for it and sent back to their country of origin.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
BHO is a liar.

No one cares about abortion except fringe right wingers.

Do you care about BHO lying?

"Death panels!"

You don't care when your political leaders lie to you, why do you expect the other side to care when their leaders lie to them? How does that work? Particularly in this instance where the lie is more to the Pubs than to the Dems? As opposed to the 'death panels,' where it was just stupid and baldfaced...

? duhversion much?

You are a tool if you think the lie is more to the pubs than the dems. It's been pointed out time and time again how BHO is outright LYING and twisting the truth yet somehow it's the pubs who are lying? Puhfugginleeze. Also, it matters exactly ZERO what the pubs are doing when the topic is about BHO lying.

Lying to oneself is the saddest most Fail type of Lie. You should consider stopping.

So you don't care about BHO lying?