Obama's Legacy

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guachi

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The opposition in Libya already existed and we're about to be wiped out in Misrata.

I guess if your idea of good foreign policy is "support dictators in crushing dissent" then, yes, preventing a massacre in Misrata was a bad thing.

And Russia's intervention in Syria was and is a joke. I mean .. lol.

Also, we didn't create the opposition faction in Libya. It already existed when NATO started bombing. And while the had been violence in Libya, there is no "ISIS genocide" that I'm aware of. I searched and couldn't find anything.
 

sportage

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Obama has a lot of legacy to go around.
People assume it will be Obamacare, but I doubt that.
Giving more people access to healthcare was the right thing to do. I doubt simply doing the right thing will be his legacy. If we had the public option, THAT would have been legacy worthy. But Since we still have the same old healthcare for profit system, not much legacy in that to be had.

Obama's legacy is having been the first black president to be elected, twice!
And surviving it against all odds that the republicans and bigots tossed at him.
Looks like Obama is going out with an approval rating well over 50%.
Need anyone be reminded of what GW's rating was when he was tossed out of office?
Err... I meant to say when GW left his second term. ;)

Obama's legacy will be social advances.
I doubt the LGBT community would have seen SS marriage come to pass nationwide, and so many other advances for minorities if Obama had not vocally and publicly come out in support of.

What a president does, how he or she leads makes a big difference.
Simple minded little people like GW and Ronnie Reagan do not envision change, so they cannot create the environment for change.
They only play into the mindless ideology of small minded people with no ability for vision.
Reagan was an actor, and a bad actor a that, who was nothing when off the film set.
Reagan couldn't even act the role as president let alone become one.
And GW was the perfect text book example of what people get and deserve when they stop paying attention and vote stupid.

GW nor Reagan had one clue what true leadership was or could be.
It was not in their nature.
They were buffoons the both of them. And their legacy is a legacy of shame.
Obama knew how to lead. He had and still has the vision of a great leader.
And that is why the right wingers hated him so.
And why people like Donald Trump would love the power to turn back the clock and pretend Obama never existed.

The Obama legacy paved the path for American future greatness. It will take another democrat to follow for ensuring that path of greatness is followed.
And for Bernie Sanders suporters, Bernie would have failed at forging that path.
He would have lost his way.
Bernie was not an revolutionary, he was a follower.
He knew the right path to take, but Bernie could never have forged that path out of the wilderness as Obama has done.
Bernie knew right from wrong, but someone else was first needed to show him the way.
To forge that path for Bernie to follow.

Right wingers absolutely hate and refuse to admit it, but Obama was and will be remembered as a great leader.
Don't beliebe me?
Just read any text book twenty years form now.
Who will be given credit for advancing women's rights, gay rights, transgender rights, middle class rights, and expanding healthcare for all rights?
It damn well will not be Ronald Reagan, nor GW Bush. That is for sure.

As Obama's time runs out, I think people are just now realizing the truth.
People realize all the dooms day predictions of doom and gloom from the republicans over this Obama administration was nothing more than republican bull crappy.
And with the people finally realizing the truth, sadly at this late stage, is why Obama will leave office with a huge approval rating.

Gun owners will still have their guns. The American economy will remain in growth. America is still respected as the number one world leader. And against all odds, Obama was able to make an positive impact for future generations to come.
Obama has done a lot of good for everyone, even for all those hard nosed right wing republican Obama haters.
People can now see that, finally, and that is not only why his approval rating is so high, but also why his legacy will outshine all republican presidents of the past generations.
And you know what?
That drives Donald Trump absolutely CRAZY!!!!
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boomerang

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When exactly did all this "legacy" bullshit start? I first remember it being in the forefront when Slick Willy was in office but maybe it was going on before that and I just wasn't paying much attention. Anyway, it's just PR bullshit. Massive ego's wanting history to reflect only what their ego deems to be good while covering up the bad.

Don't even get me started on these presidential libraries. Shrines to assholes.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Don't even get me started on these presidential libraries. Shrines to assholes.
On this point, we can agree. "Here be the pharaoh's tomb, filled with rich historical information about the blessed one (
except for the 50 million pages of documents we classified and redacted for the next fifty years
)."
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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The opposition in Libya already existed and we're about to be wiped out in Misrata.

I guess if your idea of good foreign policy is "support dictators in crushing dissent" then, yes, preventing a massacre in Misrata was a bad thing.
So the war was about to end in Misrata? Guess we couldn't have that. You geniuses traded one massacre for another. Just so it could fall to Islamic terrorism.
Worst of all, you already knew that's what happens following Iraq.

CIA caught off guard by Islamic State’s rise in post-Moammar Gadhafi Libya
CIA chieftains were caught off guard by the spiraling Islamic violence in postwar Libya, suddenly realizing that analysts had never brainstormed what the country would look like and that the White House had not asked.

The agency also acknowledged in a classified report that Moammar Gadhafi, Libya’s U.S.-deposed dictator, had long suppressed a variety of radical Islamic groups, including al Qaeda, from taking root in his country and endangering North Africa.
And Russia's intervention in Syria was and is a joke. I mean .. lol.

A joke?

From:

To:

Assad and Syrian military moved from facing imminent death, to retaking much of their country and striking back into the heart of the ISIS capital in less than a year. Because of Russian military intervention. I'll assume you can read, and were merely ignorant of the facts.



Also, we didn't create the opposition faction in Libya.

Well, according to you we stopped them from being obliterated in Misrata, but I digress. That part of the subject, us creating terrorism, stems from our efforts in Syria.

And while the had been violence in Libya, there is no "ISIS genocide" that I'm aware of. I searched and couldn't find anything.

I think you're well aware of what ISIS has been doing around the world. Particularly in locations it controls. Because of regime change it has a foothold in Libya, the genocide witnessed in Syria and Iraq will soon follow if it has not already begun.

And damn straight I support military dictators over Islamic terrorism. Dictators have a sense of self preservation and can be reasoned with. Negotiations for peace and stability can be made with them. The lesson of Iraq couldn't be any clearer, and Hillary Clinton pushed Obama into repeating those mistakes in Libya and Syria.

Obama's legacy is one of continuing the Bush retard parade of causing Islamic terrorism through regime change.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Deflect, deflect, deflect. (Mom the other kids are jumping off a bridge, why can't I!)

Start a W topic about his legacy, if you want. You are off-topic here.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing with your OP?

--starts a thread titled Obama legacy
--OP: HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY!

derp
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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In no particular order:

-Recovering from the economic death spiral he inherited
-ACA
-Advances in numerous social areas (gay marriage, etc.)
-Overseeing the death of the modern GOP (well, at least as much so as conservatives like to claim that Reagan ended the cold war)

And all while being a Kenyan muslim socialist marxist usurper. Pretty impressive.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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The historic nature of his Presidency and Republican obstructionism will probably dominate his legacy. Depending on how the Clinton situation and still pending FOIA requests play out, the "most transparent administration" moniker will have a ring of irony to it. The ACA and forward movement on social issues will be the highlights of his legacy. A squandered mandate and lack of engagement in troubling international developments could taint his legacy.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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I'd say ACA, a surprisingly quick recovery from the stock market crash (as opposed to going the EU route anyways), some social progress, some backwards steps on individual privacy, and a few Supreme Court justice picks. Overall positive but could have definitely been better.
 

TheGardener

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So here is the how. The current Obama administration strategy for the 2016 election is to "Run out the clock!" If it works, this will be one of the key accomplishments of Obama's legacy.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Just five months before the presidential election, the State Department is under fire in courtrooms over its delays in turning over government files related to Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.


In one case, the agency warned it needed a 27-month delay, until October 2018, to turn over emails from Clinton's former aides, and the judge in another case, a lawsuit by The Associated Press, wondered aloud whether the State Department might be deliberately delaying until after the election.

Secretary of State John Kerry and other officials have said they are committed to public transparency, vowing that the State Department will improve its practices under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. Last year, after an inspector general's audit harshly critical of the agency, Kerry appointed a "transparency coordinator," Janice Jacobs, and said the agency would "fundamentally improve our ability to respond to requests for our records."
Kerry has always been an excellent wordsmith. "Committed to public transparency" is his way of saying we like the idea, but don't for a minute think that the State Dept is going to release documents ordered by a US judge. And "fundamentally improve our ability to respond to requests for our records" means, I'll leave it to the next Sec of State to figure out how this all done.

The State Department said in court that it had miscalculated the amount of material it expected to process as part of a public records lawsuit from Citizens United, a conservative interest group. In basic searches of 14,000 pages of records, officials failed to include the "to" and "from" lines of the messages, missing many possible records.

... U.S. District Court Judge Richard J. Leon. The judge said he was considering imposing penalties on the agency if it failed to meet the next set of deadlines he orders. Leon wondered aloud at one point whether he might impose penalties for again failing to deliver records on time. He mused about "a fine on a daily basis" or "incarceration."

Musing is not the same as acting. The FBI talking this weekend with Clinton for 3.5 hours, is just a side show. It's all part of running out the clock, and saying everyone was doing their job. Once Clinton gets elected, according to the plan, all these investigations disappear as fast as the Bill Clinton promised tax cut.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01d3...elated-state-dept-records-delays-are-mounting
 

TheGardener

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Isn't that exactly what you are doing with your OP?

--starts a thread titled Obama legacy
--OP: HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY!

derp
Not at all. The topic is clear. Obama wants getting Clinton elected as the 45th POTUS to be a significant part of his legacy. Nothing nefarious. It was the Hillary supporter who wanted to take the topic elsewhere. While I don't agree with the substance of anything that sportage said, I will agree that his reply is on topic.

Go look at any news headline or byline. You have to read the substance to understand. Those who just read bylines are doomed to ignorance. Just saying.
 

Genx87

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His legacy is more erosion of our privacy. And the ability of the president to kill american citizens without trial. I'm sure liberals are excited at the thought of a Donald Trump possessing that power.
 

werepossum

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blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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I believe that other than an unwillingness to be confrontational with the republicans until it was too late... especially in light of the Caucus Room Conspiracy (an actual real conspiracy)... President Obama's legacy will be at least above average.

However, if he sneaks the TPP into law in the last days of his Presidency then legacy will be marred by the damage that trade deal will do to the middle class.


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