Obama's Judgement

[Jhhnn]

Characterizing Obama's position as "immediate withdrawal" is patently unfair, and false. He's proposed a phased withdrawal over the course of many months, more than a year, not pulling out entirely the day after he takes the oath of office...

RY62 repeats the same non-sequiter as the Bushies and McSame- "We created this mess and we must clean it up." Well, except they avoid calling it a mess... and assume facts not in evidence, that we can, in truth, actually clean it up... it's the same arrogance that kept us in Vietnam long after it was obviously a lost cause...

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Lemon law
RY62 claims to have the ability to train a monkey to have the same judgment as Obama. Maybe for his next trick, he should try to train a clueless GWB&co. and John McCain to have at least the judgment of an untrained monkey.

Do you want me to loan you a shovel so you can dig yourself even deeper into the logical hole you are digging yourself into? As you demand perfect judgment from Obama while totally ignoring the fact that both McCain's and GWB's judgments on Iraq have been flat out totally wrong with the look see five year record of total failure that goes with it.

Please explain to us how Obama caused this mess in Iraq. Please explain to us why we should not blame GWB, John McCain, and Hillary for authorizing and implementing this stupidity in Iraq. Even Hillary shines in comparison to GWB and Mclame. Hillary's mistake was in trusting GWB at all.

From the tone of your post, I can see that you've made the mistaken assumption that I'm a Republican. That is not the case. I have been and continue to be, for as long as she's in it, a Clinton supporter. As a moderate Democrat, I still consider Obama to be the worst possible choice of the 3 remaining candidates. Imagine that a Democrat who in an Obama/McCain matchup would consider McCain the lesser of 2 evils.

Now that we've cleared that up...I'm sure you'd understand why I'd agree to your assesment that GWB doesn't have the judgement of even an untrained monkey.

I don't hold Mr. Obama, Mrs. Clinton or Mr. McCain responsible for causing the mess in Iraq and I don't believe that an immediate pullout would be a wise course of action. I'd agree that all 3 of the remaing candidates shine in comparison to GWB but I think that Obama would be a completely different disaster and not just because his "Judgement" doesn't pass the sniff test.

..From the tone of your post, I can see that you've made the mistaken assumption that I'm a Republican'

They do that a lot out here. Not all democrats are secular progressives or abide in such tunnel vision agendas.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Farang

2004 election To keep in line with his party's candidates Kerry and Edwards, who had voted for the Iraq War, he told The New York Times, "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence,"

After the election Obama regained his certainty on the Charlie Rose Show. When Rose asked him if he would have voted against the Iraq War resolution had he been in Congress, Obama's answer was a simple, "Yes."

July 2004 Obama told the Chicago Tribune "[t] here's not that much difference between my position [on the war] and George Bush's position at this stage."

July 2004 is before "after the election."
Also, what a pathetic response to my second post. You won't respond because it is my opinion. ha

You are correct and I apologize. I should have read more carefully before dismissing your post. Hopefully, it's a lesson I won't soon forget.

The second post actually is just a matter of opinion. It's my opinion that Obama stands on being against the war from the start when, as he himself said, he has no idea how he would have voted if he were actually a US Senator, sworn to protect this country, and privy to the same intelligence reports.

 

[IGBT]

..Obama choose to associate with wright and saw advantage in it. it most certainly is a reflection on his judgement.