Obama's IQ may not be as high as Bush 43's.

[JS80]

The best school Obama got into out of high school was Occidental College. He then transferred to Columbia. Read what you will into that.

 

[IGBT]

take the teleprompter away and he sounds like Elmer Fudd.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The best school Obama got into out of high school was Occidental College. He then transferred to Columbia. Read what you will into that.

How do you know where else he applied?

For what it's worth, Occidental is quite a good school - its current US News ranking is #33 among liberal arts colleges.

 

[Pens1566]

take the teleprompter away and he sounds like Elmer Fudd.

And yet "Elmer Fudd" was able to demolish the group of GOP reps he debated earlier in the year without use of a prompter. What's that tell you?

 

[Pens1566]

How do you know where else he applied?

For what it's worth, Occidental is quite a good school - its current US News ranking is #33 among liberal arts colleges.

That doesn't fit with their version of reality ...

 

[Scotteq]

So let me get this straight: Some Blogger writes an article on how smart the President is, yet he has no direct test scores. Lacking anything based in reality, our intrepid Blogger instead makes a long series of assumptions stacked on other assumptions...



..and you guys are taking this Jackass seriously!?!?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The "analysis" in that article is nonsensical even on its face. They assume that, because President Obama was a minority member at Harvard (and thus could conceivably have been admitted with a lower LSAT score than a while male), he definitively HAD such a lower score, and thus that his presumptive IQ must accordingly be lowered.

They also don't provide any clear basis for presuming an LSAT-SAT score correlation (the tests are wildly different), which the article's entire premise rests on, nor any clear way of equating LSAT scores with IQ. (I'd like it if such a correlation existed, since I did very well on my LSAT, but I'm highly skeptical of whether there's any scientifically valid correlation). Moreover, they are assuming an intelligence for President Bush which again is not based on any actual testing but rather a series of inferences that are almost certainly as flawed as the ones they use to reach their speculative conclusion regarding President Obama.

At the end of the day, the President was the Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review and graduated cum laude. Those are not accomplishments that could have been based on affirmative action, since tests are graded anonymously, as are the writing samples that candidates have to submit to join a law review. Both of these are fairly remarkable accomplishments (particularly his Law Review work), and there's simply no way an average intellect could have achieved either.

At the end of the day this isn't about Obama's ability. It's about a numerical assessment of a relatively meaningless quantity defined as "intelligence".

This is a pissing match.

 

[MotF Bane]

At the end of the day this isn't about Obama's ability. It's about a numerical assessment of a relatively meaningless quantity defined as "intelligence".

This is a pissing match.

I'll go get another case. :awe:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

see sig for the depth of the mentality of the op...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll go get another case. :awe:

Some Oktoberfest would be awesome!

 

[Anarchist420]

The thing is, is that Bush is smarter than he looks, and a 1206 on his SAT is pretty damn good--his IQ has to be at least 125 with an SAT score that high. I think the inferences made in the blog are pretty good and probably pretty accurate.

Further, Obama hasn't done one smart thing as President if he's trying to help anyone out.

Finally, as JS80 points out, there is a reason why he hasn't released his SAT scores, while Bush and Gore (1355) did.

 

[Lemon law]

Anyone who assumes a single test score accurately measures IQ, whatever that dubious concept is, understands little about human intelligence and adaptability.
We probably all know people with high IQ scores that can't figure their way out of a paper bag on almost any but one specialty level.

The other point to make is that two equally intelligent humans can look at the same data and come to two different conclusions. Its just boils down to how the bits of data are ordered in so0me priority list. Some people end up with final judgments that fit the definition of integrity, and then there are people like GWB and Dick Cheney who don't have any shred of humanity IMHO.

 

[thraashman]

He said negative 120.

Ah. I read that as a dash not a negative. Hard to pay close attention and be on a work call for a deployment. Hopefully I'm paying closer attention to the deployment.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The thing is, is that Bush is smarter than he looks, and a 1206 on his SAT is pretty damn good--his IQ has to be at least 125 with an SAT score that high. I think the inferences made in the blog are pretty good and probably pretty accurate.

Further, Obama hasn't done one smart thing as President if he's trying to help anyone out.

Finally, as JS80 points out, there is a reason why he hasn't released his SAT scores, while Bush and Gore (1355) did.

I'd agree Bush is smarter than he looks - if he wasn't he'd have struggled to tie his shoes every day. I'd even concede he's above average in intellect.

That being said, the idea that 1206 is an impressive SAT score, or that it necessitates a particular IQ, is nonsensical to me. It certainly isn't a score that would have gotten someone without his family's wealth and political connections into Yale - in fact it would have precluded him from attending such a school. Bush was far more clearly, in this respect, a beneficiary of affirmative action than Obama. If you want further proof of this proposition, consider the fact that Bush was turned down by the University of Texas law school (which used a merit-based admission system) before being admitted to Harvard Business School, where again his family's connections got him in the door. Ultimately he was an undistinguished student in both his undergrad and graduate work, whereas Obama graduated magna cum laude from the best law school in the US, and was EIC of the Harvard Law Review, thus making him arguably the most distinguished law student in America the year he graduated.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

America- where no matter what your IQ is you can still suck as President.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Link: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/09/b...is-116_18.html

I had thought that he was smart and doing all of this on purpose. But now I'm wondering if I was wrong, and that he's just not smart enough to understand Austrian economics and that it's the only school of Economics that leads to good policy.

The scary thing is that Hillary Clinton's IQ is 140. I would've thought she was borderline mentally retarded if I hadn't read that.

We all know that someone with an IQ that high who advocates the policies she does hates America and is trying to destroy it.

One thing you have proved to all of us on Anand`s site is that your IQ is so low they can`t even measure it........

 

[JEDIYoda]

The thing is, is that Bush is smarter than he looks, and a 1206 on his SAT is pretty damn good--his IQ has to be at least 125 with an SAT score that high. I think the inferences made in the blog are pretty good and probably pretty accurate.

Further, Obama hasn't done one smart thing as President if he's trying to help anyone out.

Finally, as JS80 points out, there is a reason why he hasn't released his SAT scores, while Bush and Gore (1355) did.

You are a total idiot -- Obama`s LSAT score is --
Barack Obama's estimated IQ score range is 130 to 148 and quite possibly higher. However, nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his college GPA, his SAT score, or his LSAT score, or any other tangible evidence of his IQ score.

However, after performing a bit of research the facts were uncovered reflecting his LSAT score while attending Harvard Law School. To much disappointment, we do not know his actual LSAT score. However, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students during Barrack Obama's college years were 171. Furthermore,the percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard during Obama's college stay were 98.8 %.

President Barack Obama's LSAT Score and Mensa

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests as well other tests of mental acuity. The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus basing Barack Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% percentile range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95% which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

 

[werepossum]

You are a total idiot -- Obama`s LSAT score is --
Barack Obama's estimated IQ score range is 130 to 148 and quite possibly higher. However, nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his college GPA, his SAT score, or his LSAT score, or any other tangible evidence of his IQ score.

However, after performing a bit of research the facts were uncovered reflecting his LSAT score while attending Harvard Law School. To much disappointment, we do not know his actual LSAT score. However, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students during Barrack Obama's college years were 171. Furthermore,the percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard during Obama's college stay were 98.8 %.

President Barack Obama's LSAT Score and Mensa

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests as well other tests of mental acuity. The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus basing Barack Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% percentile range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95% which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

Sweet Lord, you've managed to calculate an even more dubious number than the blogger and actually enrolled Obama in MENSA on the basis of it! Shocking news - half of all LSAT scores are below the average!

I can't believe people are seriously debating the correct way to calculate an arguably meaningless number from data pertaining not to the man, but to various heterogeneous data sets including the man. Even if you had the data, there is no such thing as an IQ number. I was extensively tested in eighth grade and my own test scores ranged from about 110 to over 200, a number not even appearing on many of the tests. Any engineer can tell you that if you have repeatable 100% deviation in measuring a quantity, then you do not know that quantity in any meaningful manner. At best you could give Obama's score on a particular IQ test and argue over its implications, but AFTER he's elected there isn't much point in that as you can judge his actual performance rather than projecting what his performance might be given an IQ test score.

There's a reason the Messiah has not released his test scores and college transcripts. None of us know that reason. Obviously the man has a very high opinion of himself, maybe he's a 99.9 percenter and doesn't think we're worthy of seeing his test scores and college transcripts. Maybe he knows that no academic achievement can compare to the mental image that the press and his supporters (but I repeat myself) will build on his behalf. Maybe he thinks these records present a less flattering picture than do his own deeds and words. Regardless, this is no less silly than calculating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.