Obama's election mastermind: GOP win 'plausible'

[StageLeft]

Year and a half of spending money, making promises, getting jack fvcking sh*t done, it's no surprise they are worried. Of course, the republicans will do what they always do with extra power and that's to suck sh*t, too. In more ways than not it doesn't really matter who wins or loses in November.

 

[hal2kilo]

The scary thing is you actually think any of that would magically "fix" what's wrong.

You are taxed less today as a % of your income than you were when Ronald Reagan, your hero, was in office. But yes, clearly the problem are taxes. Either that, or that's the easiest thing to complain about for a politician, and people like you eat it up.

Repeal healthcare.. That would help the country, how? I'm not saying the bill that was passed is a best case scenario, but just about anything is better than the system we've been stuck with for years.

Secure the border. Because Obama opened it up? I seem to recall Bush, and every other Republican talking Amnesty before it became your buzzword for all things evil.

The "majority of the country" does not agree with you. I'd say the majority of the country is frustrated right now about any number of things, and historically speaking that means incumbents are at risk, but it doesn't mean they agree with what the Republican agenda (or lack thereof) is.

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[hal2kilo]

And again, your taxes are lower now than they were under Regan, and still would be if the tax cuts were to expire. How are we overtaxed again?



Incorrect. Surveys within the last month show that now that people are actually learning about what the health care bill does, rather than hearing people like you tell them it's the end of America as we know it, that they actually like it.

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[Lemon law]

1994-2006 GOP Congress governed directly against the interests of our nation, and we are going to be paying for it for a very long time. If you want to pile on more of the same, then I guess you should vote GOP in 2010 too

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I agree with senseamp, but the other thing to say, given the shit sandwich economy the GOP left Obama to eat, how do we judge Obama when he does not instantly turn the US economy around with liberal economic stimulate the economy policies?

We could go back to 1929 and cite the comparable Hoover balanced budget post big great depression policies, that ended up increasing unemployment from a mere 10% all the way up to 25% or more. By that measure Obama policies look pretty good just in containing the damage.

Or will we look at the GOP policies of after the election of GWB in 2000. When GWB took an economy that had an actual small government surplus all the way to a economy that added 4 trillion of governmental debt, and on top of that managed to collapsed a formerly healthy American economy with total governmental stupidity policies in just eight short years?

Still feel so froggie to vote GOP anyone?

Because no matter how you cut it, we are all playing you bet the American economy at the ballot box.

 

[theeedude]

Just elect GOP, just in time for second part of the double-dip recession. Maybe with something to lose they will act more responsibly instead of trying to sabotage the economic recovery. Not likely, but feasible.

 

[Greenman]

And you're just stupid enough to think the Republicans will be any better. If the people really want to take back the country We the People would vote third party.

Any specific party in mind? Or just whatever lunatic fringe group happens to make the most noise the night before the election?

As far as the republicans being any better goes, they would almost have to be. If they all went home the day after the election we'd be far and away better off than we are now.

 

[Jhhnn]

Any specific party in mind? Or just whatever lunatic fringe group happens to make the most noise the night before the election?

As far as the republicans being any better goes, they would almost have to be. If they all went home the day after the election we'd be far and away better off than we are now.

How lame. They'd just go back to doing the same things they did under Bush for the previous 8 years- you know, the things that put us in this mess in the first place.

I'll offer something Clinton said, that when people are thinking, that's good for Democrats. And there's going to be a lot of thinking between now and November. So unless something happens to get people thinking with the heads of their dicks rather than the heads on their shoulders, Dems shouldn't do badly at all.

 

[Perknose]

Reign in spending.

Hey YOU. Yeah, you . . . the people.

Listen up: Reign != rein.

I don't think you, the people want a reign in spending.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have no idea who will win what next election.

 

[Vic]

The Pubs will gain seats, but they won't win a majority in either the House or the Senate.

 

[dmcowen674]

The Pubs will gain seats, but they won't win a majority in either the House or the Senate.

But enough to shut the Republicans up whining that Democrats have full control which was bullshit anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

But enough to shut the Republicans up whining that Democrats have full control which was bullshit anyway.

Heh. They whine about something, anything, even when they're *in* power. Better that they should actually have something legitimate to whine about, like taking another well deserved electoral cornholio...

I'd love to see them change a historical pattern, actually lose seats in the midterm. The snivelling and raving would be epic, the stuff of legend...

 

[woolfe9999]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38052548/ns/politics-washington_post

"I think the prospect of a Republican takeover — while not likely, but plausible — will be very much part of the dynamic in October, and I think that will help us with turnout and some of this enthusiasm gap," said David Plouffe, who was Obama's campaign manager two years ago and is helping to oversee Democratic efforts this fall. Still, he put all Democrats on notice, saying: "We'd better act as a party as if the House and the Senate and every major governor's race is at stake and in danger, because they could be."



Seems like the (D)'s are officially in panic mode. With polls just released today showing Sestak and Fisher behind in their senate races for PA and Ohio, its not looking good.

What a political strategist says is meaningless to outcome prediction, because every single last thing political strategists say is calculated to produce the maximum chance of success for his or her side. If Plouffe says, forget it, the GOP has no chance at all, then democrats aren't motivated to campaign hard/vote. If, OTOH, he says, its over, we're screwed, then similarly dems aren't motivated. But if he says, we're at risk, we COULD lose any race, anywhere, then that is what motivates dems to work hard and/or vote.

If Plouffe said anything different from this, he wouldn't be a competent political strategist.

- wolf

 

[Jhhnn]

What a political strategist says is meaningless to outcome prediction, because every single last thing political strategists say is calculated to produce the maximum chance of success for his or her side. If Plouffe says, forget it, the GOP has no chance at all, then democrats aren't motivated to campaign hard/vote. If, OTOH, he says, its over, we're screwed, then similarly dems aren't motivated. But if he says, we're at risk, we COULD lose any race, anywhere, then that is what motivates dems to work hard and/or vote.

If Plouffe said anything different from this, he wouldn't be a competent political strategist.

- wolf

Yep. If much of anything has changed from 2008, it's that the Obama Admin has worked entirely too hard at being "Centrist", created a lack of enthusiasm among the more liberal elements of their base... It was that enthusiasm that carried Dems as far as it did, and catering to perceived groups that'll never vote for you anyway is a bit off-putting to those who did and will again, given proper stimulus...

 

[nick1985]

I'd love to see them change a historical pattern, actually lose seats in the midterm. The snivelling and raving would be epic, the stuff of legend...

Thats quite a lofty dream

 

[Jadow]

the repubs don't need to take majorities in the H & S, they just need to pick up enough seats to block all the crazy dem proposals that come down the pipeline.

 

[Craig234]

Year and a half of spending money, making promises, getting jack fvcking sh*t done, it's no surprise they are worried. Of course, the republicans will do what they always do with extra power and that's to suck sh*t, too. In more ways than not it doesn't really matter who wins or loses in November.

LOL, the ignorance.

In spite of a lot of great things the House did getting blocked by the Republican abuse of the filibuster in the Senate to block about everything, Obama and Dems got a lot done.

Watch the following 5 minute clip from Rachel Maddow recently, which sums up some of what they have done nicely.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#37937282

 

[Craig234]

the repubs don't need to take majorities in the H & S, they just need to pick up enough seats to block all the crazy dem proposals that come down the pipeline.

Except the Dems are the ones wanting to fix the problems since Reagan, and you are in favor of the crazy Republican proposals in effect.

 

[nick1985]

Except the Dems are the ones wanting to fix the problems since Reagan, and you are in favor of the crazy Republican proposals in effect.

Have you ever voted for a Republican in your life?

 

[sunzt]

Nothing will change. Repubs will be just as ineffective as dems. Maybe more religious, but nothing else.

Expect similar energy, foreign policy, military, and border polices to continue. BTW health care, medicare, and ss will still be huge problems to fix with no politically platable solution in sight.

 

[Pens1566]

What, no more "we the people" rants from the Grand Arachnid????

 

[PokerGuy]

Watch the following 5 minute clip from Rachel Maddow recently

Why would anyone watch that moron? Watching her to gain any kind of insight is like watching a pet rock and hoping that it's going to dictate the next Broadway play to you. Well, actually, the pet rock would be way smarter than Maddow, but you get the idea.

 

[PokerGuy]

the repubs don't need to take majorities in the H & S, they just need to pick up enough seats to block all the crazy dem proposals that come down the pipeline.

This. If they'd had just one or two more senate seats the main disasters of this administration would have been averted.

 

[spidey07]

This. If they'd had just one or two more senate seats the main disasters of this administration would have been averted.

Look at the Scott Heard Around The World. His one vote is making sure this disastrous "financial reform" bill is being scrutinized and read instead of just passing willy-nilly.

That was crucial and We The People knew it so came out in droves to donate and make sure he won. That's what we're doing, targeting specific seats and focusing energy and money on them to take back this country and stop obama.

 

[xj0hnx]

Nothing will change. Repubs will be just as ineffective as dems. Maybe more religious, but nothing else.

Expect similar energy, foreign policy, military, and border polices to continue. BTW health care, medicare, and ss will still be huge problems to fix with no politically platable solution in sight.

Pretty much. None of the real problems will be fixed because it is political suicide. More hand wringing, baby kissing, and irresponsibility and a can kicking contest to come.