Obama's domestic army

[madoka]

In 2008 Obama said, “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Since it's unconstitutional to use the Army on American soil, he's been creating a domestic army by militarizing DHS and the police and using the NSA to spy on everybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y4zsgymRxE&feature=player_embedded

"Well, one former Marine colonel, Peter Martino, has had about enough.

In a rousing confrontation at a local council meeting in Concord, NH, he calls out his government for facilitating what he feels is a needless militarization of a domestic force.

And he should know, he helped build one in Iraq.

"We did everything we could to build the Iraqi Army, and I'm telling you right now, the Department of Homeland Security would kick their butts."

"What we're doing here, and let's not kid about it, is we're building a domestic army and shrinking the military because the government is afraid of its own citizens ... "

"The last time 10 terrorists were in the same place at the same time was September 11th, and all these [armored] vehicles wouldn't have prevented it, nor would they have helped anything."

"We're building an Army over here and I can't believe people aren't seeing it, is everybody blind?"

 

[Thebobo]

Since it's unconstitutional to use the Army on American soil, he's been creating a domestic army by militarizing DHS and the police and using the NSA to spy on everybody.

You honestly think that Obama is secretly trying to create a unified domestic army? and to do what?

 

[Brainonska511]

Please point to the part of the Constitution banning the use of American troops on American soil.

 

[IronWing]

I guess you have to stop quoting somewhere.

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.
People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/


The crap he's actually done is bad enough, I don't see why folks feel a need to make stuff up.
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[werepossum]

Please point to the part of the Constitution banning the use of American troops on American soil.

It's the Posse Comitatus Act, not the Constitution. And it was significantly weakened in 2006, 2008, and 2011.

 

[Brainonska511]

It's the Posse Comitatus Act, not the Constitution. And it was significantly weakened in 2006, 2008, and 2011.

Well, with Post #4 and your answer, I'm glad we got this nonsense out of the way.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I would think that the swiftness and military like shut down/lock down of Boston would be a reason for concern. Homeland Security is out of control.

 

[werepossum]

I guess you have to stop quoting somewhere.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/


The crap he's actually done is bad enough, I don't see why folks feel a need to make stuff up.
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Personally I find the concept of "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military to be rather blood-curdling.

 

[gevorg]

creating a domestic army by militarizing DHS and the police and using the NSA to spy on everybody

Another brilliant idea to circumvent constitution!

 

[Angry Irishman]

Personally I find the concept of "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military to be rather blood-curdling.

The man leaves little bread crumbs in all his speeches. His last inauguration speech left me....concerned.

 

[werepossum]

Well, with Post #4 and your answer, I'm glad we got this nonsense out of the way.

Have we really? This newly militarized government is certainly infringing on our Constitutional rights; is it not therefore the same thing, really? It would certainly be unconstitutional to use our armed forces to do these things, yet a majority seem to accept the domestic armed forces doing the same thing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Personally I find the concept of "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military to be rather blood-curdling.

It would be but it's just more noise.

 

[werepossum]

It would be but it's just more noise.

No doubt. I hope.

 

[Jhhnn]

The man leaves little bread crumbs in all his speeches. His last inauguration speech left me....concerned.

Yes, paranoid conspiracy theorists always "find" things like that, particularly when their political opponents occupy the White House.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, paranoid conspiracy theorists always "find" things like that, particularly when their political opponents occupy the White House.

Untrustworthy people are unworthy of trust. Obama now fits that description. Even so practical limits make some concerns irrelevant even if true. There is no way to have what some are worried about so there is no problem.

 

[Smoblikat]

Let them come

 

[Jhhnn]

It would be but it's just more noise.

Agreed. All politicians are now forced to deal with the boogeyman of the Terrarist! Threat! even if it's just to provide reassurances to the fear mongered masses.

How did we get here, anyway?

 

[Angry Irishman]

Yes, paranoid conspiracy theorists always "find" things like that, particularly when their political opponents occupy the White House.

Have you listened to his inauguration? ....it's great message if you wish to be socialist; I do not. It's pretty blatant and not hard to find in his speeches and comments. You certainly don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to interpret the agenda. I'm not a fan of the POTUS but believe me I'm not a fan of the GOP either. If the man was Republican I'd have the same opinion.

But you keep blurting out BS and sticking to your party line...

He's just a man and the POTUS (little secret...he works for us) not the great divine leader as I believe you and a few others on here believe him to be.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Agreed. All politicians are now forced to deal with the boogeyman of the Terrarist! Threat! even if it's just to provide reassurances to the fear mongered masses.

How did we get here, anyway?

Agreed about the terrorist boogeyman. It is a great way to further dwindle our civil liberties and give the federal government more and more control of issues its not Constitutionally mandated to govern.

Homeland Security....it's for our protection my ass.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you listened to his inauguration? ....it's great message if you wish to be socialist; I do not. It's pretty blatant and not hard to find in his speeches and comments. You certainly don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to interpret the agenda. I'm not a fan of the POTUS but believe me I'm not a fan of the GOP either. If the man was Republican I'd have the same opinion.

But you keep blurting out BS and sticking to your party line...

He's just a man and the POTUS (little secret...he works for us) not the great divine leader as I believe you and a few others on here believe him to be.

Heh. Your resorting to strawman arguments reveals a certain lacking in the argument you're trying to make.

Much of what self styled conservatives & libertarians believe about the past isn't really true at all. They somehow believe that the post-WW2 years weren't a carefully crafted balance between socialism & capitalism, what Roosevelt presented as the New Deal, a deal that created the broad American middle class, something that simply did not exist at any time prior to 1932. It didn't really exist until after WW2, after the economic excesses & wreckage of financialized free market capitalism had been cleared away.

As we've unwittingly abandoned many of the "socialist" aspects of that, we have very much created the same sort of unstable situation that unregulated free market capitalism has always created, something that really isn't good for working people at all. We can either attempt to regain some semblance of control, some semblance of equality between capital and labor or accept some very unpleasant consequences for the vast majority of Americans. If we don't do that, we'll be at the economic mercy of people who have no mercy. In many respects, we already are.

In that, the Obama Admin really isn't doing a very good job at all, despite the usual right wing raving about ebil soshulism.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Heh. Your resorting to strawman arguments reveals a certain lacking in the argument you're trying to make.

Much of what self styled conservatives & libertarians believe about the past isn't really true at all. They somehow believe that the post-WW2 years weren't a carefully crafted balance between socialism & capitalism, what Roosevelt presented as the New Deal, a deal that created the broad American middle class, something that simply did not exist at any time prior to 1932. It didn't really exist until after WW2, after the economic excesses & wreckage of financialized free market capitalism had been cleared away.

As we've unwittingly abandoned many of the "socialist" aspects of that, we have very much created the same sort of unstable situation that unregulated free market capitalism has always created, something that really isn't good for working people at all. We can either attempt to regain some semblance of control, some semblance of equality between capital and labor or accept some very unpleasant consequences for the vast majority of Americans. If we don't do that, we'll be at the economic mercy of people who have no mercy. In many respects, we already are.

In that, the Obama Admin really isn't doing a very good job at all, despite the usual right wing raving about ebil soshulism.

If you're comparing Obama's actions to Roosevelt's then I'll have to disagree although I don't disagree with all you've just stated. That was a great text book answer but not an apples to apples comparison of current events.

I'm not arguing shit; just stating an opinion. Nor am I presenting any strawman arguments. I don't like his concepts regarding welfare, foreign policy, immigration, spending....you name it, the list goes on. His agenda, if left unchecked, would far exceed the actions of the post WW2 balance as you've described it. The blatant attack on civil liberties it what really disturbs me without any action from him to block that trend.

Factually, what I really can't stand is any man who won't own up to his mistakes. Leadership should ultimately trump party line politics for the POTUS but with this guy that's not the case. I've seen him fail miserably at that basic requirement....leadership. He is a master of diversion, excuses and blaming the other guy. What he does do very well is consistently overstep his executive powers beyond normal precedence.

Don't even get me started about Congress....both sides of the aisle.

 

[IGBT]

they are already in place. It's the IRS just greatly expanded. Coming to a neighborhood near you.

 

[Incorruptible]

they are already in place. It's the IRS just greatly expanded. Coming to a neighborhood near you.

This. obama himself said to punish your enemies and his cronies did that. Many of the supporters of obama are nothing but a bunch of cowards and goons and they pose no real threat to the American people.

 

[Greenman]

Agreed. All politicians are now forced to deal with the boogeyman of the Terrarist! Threat! even if it's just to provide reassurances to the fear mongered masses.

How did we get here, anyway?

You answered your own question.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nor am I presenting any strawman arguments.

What's this, if not a strawman?

He's just a man and the POTUS (little secret...he works for us) not the great divine leader as I believe you and a few others on here believe him to be.