From the Washington Post (courtesy MSNBC):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
There's no way in hell he's getting past this story.
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From the Washington Post (courtesy MSNBC):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
There's no way in hell he's getting past this story.
Don Vito Corleone
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This isn't exactly breaking news - he put it in a book 11 years ago. Frankly by all accounts President Bush's drug history was far more severe, and included selling cocaine, and unlike Obama he didn't go on to be Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review.
Don Vito Corleone
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Doing drugs as a young man, then going on to a stellar academic and professional career isn't the same thing as smoking crack while in office.
Has President Bush ever officially acknowledged his substance abuse? (The DUI charge I know about but in the eyes of many Americans, such as myself, the cocaine use is a huge issue).
ProfJohn
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Sadly, I agree with Donvito. This is unlikely to have much effect. This is not so much a swipe at Obama, but a swipe at America as a country that we now find it acceptable.
BTW: I don?t think he has a chance anyway, at least not right now. Maybe in another 4-8 years (2012-2016) He could. He needs to do something worth talking about though, besides writing books and looking and sounding good.
Leave the Senate and run for governor and show us that you can lead a state. Senators make lousy candidates, just ask Kerry, Gore, Dole etc.
BTW: I don?t think he has a chance anyway, at least not right now. Maybe in another 4-8 years (2012-2016) He could. He needs to do something worth talking about though, besides writing books and looking and sounding good.
Leave the Senate and run for governor and show us that you can lead a state. Senators make lousy candidates, just ask Kerry, Gore, Dole etc.
I don't think this will stop him, american voters aren't that shallow and stupid. But I could be wrong.
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No, but he hasn't really denied it either. During his 2000 campaign he just refused to discuss it.
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Do you find it acceptable that President Bush took and apparently sold drugs, including cocaine?
Show me your opposition to Bush in 2000 and 2004 over his drug use before you are permitted to use the word "sadly" there. If you're against it, you need to be against it.
He admitted to dodging the draft in Viet Nam, and he all but admitted to the drug use, by saying he had not used drugs after a a certain year.
The fact he did not say he had not used them ever and instead said since a certain year leaves little room for interpretation, it just 'sounded better' for the sound bite.
Why did he even say that? Presumably because he did not know what would come out and this way would not be on record with a flat-outt lie in a campaign against Clinton's lying.
ProfJohn
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Show me where Bush wrote about using cocaine in a book. Or show me proof of this 'Bush sold coke' accusation.
I actually do not remember any stories about Bush and cocaine. I think he decision to not talk about anything worked in his favor.
I think we all read into his refusal to talk about his past what we wanted. The left, as seen in this thread, assumes he meant coke etc, the right figured he meant pot. Did Gore not also admit to smoking pot while in Vietnam? I am not sure, but I thought that was the story.
It would be nice if we could find someone who did neither.
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I see nothing wrong with Obama's early mistakes; just as long as drugs didnt play a role in his later years. Now, if it comes to the surface that he was still doing it 5 years ago, then it will be an issue. If not, then it's no big deal.
Kids are entitled to make small mistakes. I know that I made a few myself, and I'd hate to be judged for them 30 years later. That would be ridiculous. I don't care what small mistakes someone made when they were really young, not even the President. (This goes for Clinton, Bush, Obama, or anyone else who made small mistakes in HS or college).
bottom line: it wont stop him from winning any elections.
Kids are entitled to make small mistakes. I know that I made a few myself, and I'd hate to be judged for them 30 years later. That would be ridiculous. I don't care what small mistakes someone made when they were really young, not even the President. (This goes for Clinton, Bush, Obama, or anyone else who made small mistakes in HS or college).
bottom line: it wont stop him from winning any elections.
Ahh, remember the '80s, when everyone was so worried about people using cocaine.
It all seems so quaint now. I wonder when we will have our first cranker senator or president?
It all seems so quaint now. I wonder when we will have our first cranker senator or president?
I wouldn't hold that against him. Everyone makes mistakes. Now if you were to tell me he has a 300.00 a day habit, then you have my interest.
With only 2 years experience in congress though I would say his chances are slim to none anyway.
With only 2 years experience in congress though I would say his chances are slim to none anyway.
How about responding to the point in my post - that the phrasing of denying he's used drugs after a certain year has no reasonable interpretation but that he did before?
I see - he had to write it in a book. Bush the big-time book author. I guess if he says it on national tv, tattoos it on his forehead and writes it in a magazine, that's not enough.
And now, the issue isn't Bush used cocaine, asyou objected to Obama using cocaine, but Bush *sold* cocaine. Nice switiching of the issue?
I'm not going to get into the second issue, since I see the first as the main topic, and I'm not the one who made the sold cocaine claim.
National Review didn't do a lot of them. Or have you started reading any liberal magazines? I didn't think so, sadly.
All else being equal, I'd prefer they hadn't; I give almost no weight to if they used pot; I do think cocaine is a bit more of a negative.
However, when you combine it with their running on a sel-righteous platform about it, or lying and misleading and such, it's a larger negative.
I see - he had to write it in a book. Bush the big-time book author. I guess if he says it on national tv, tattoos it on his forehead and writes it in a magazine, that's not enough.
And now, the issue isn't Bush used cocaine, asyou objected to Obama using cocaine, but Bush *sold* cocaine. Nice switiching of the issue?
I'm not going to get into the second issue, since I see the first as the main topic, and I'm not the one who made the sold cocaine claim.
National Review didn't do a lot of them. Or have you started reading any liberal magazines? I didn't think so, sadly.
All else being equal, I'd prefer they hadn't; I give almost no weight to if they used pot; I do think cocaine is a bit more of a negative.
However, when you combine it with their running on a sel-righteous platform about it, or lying and misleading and such, it's a larger negative.
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Craig, after this thread started I headed over to Google and wikipedia to see what I could find on Bush and cocaine. And what I found? Not much. Just a bunch of allegations with very little proof behind them. Bush was arrested in 1974 and daddy had his record cleared etc etc. Stuff like that, with out any named sources or evidence.
Reminds me of the whole Rather memo before the 2004 election, you remember, the fake memo and all that.
Just because you want to believe something, does not mean that something is true.
The truth is we do not know what types of drugs Bush used, although pot seems to be a certainty. Beyond that we have NO clue at all. And Donvito, do you have ANY evidence at all that Bush sold coke?
Reminds me of the whole Rather memo before the 2004 election, you remember, the fake memo and all that.
Just because you want to believe something, does not mean that something is true.
The truth is we do not know what types of drugs Bush used, although pot seems to be a certainty. Beyond that we have NO clue at all. And Donvito, do you have ANY evidence at all that Bush sold coke?
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