Obama's 95% Illusion

winnar111

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http://online.wsj.com/article/...tml?mod=googlenews_wsj

One of Barack Obama's most potent campaign claims is that he'll cut taxes for no less than 95% of "working families." He's even promising to cut taxes enough that the government's tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% -- which is lower than it is today.

It's a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he's also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut."

For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase "tax credit." Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven such credits for individuals:

- A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to "make work pay" that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.

- A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.

- A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).

- A "savings" tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.

- An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.

- A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.

- A "clean car" tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.

Here's the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.

The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.

The total annual expenditures on refundable "tax credits" would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as "tax credits," the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is.

The political left defends "refundability" on grounds that these payments help to offset the payroll tax. And that was at least plausible when the only major refundable credit was the earned-income tax credit. Taken together, however, these tax credit payments would exceed payroll levies for most low-income workers.

It is also true that John McCain proposes a refundable tax credit -- his $5,000 to help individuals buy health insurance. We've written before that we prefer a tax deduction for individual health care, rather than a credit. But the big difference with Mr. Obama is that Mr. McCain's proposal replaces the tax subsidy for employer-sponsored health insurance that individuals don't now receive if they buy on their own. It merely changes the nature of the tax subsidy; it doesn't create a new one.

There's another catch: Because Mr. Obama's tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge "marginal" tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.

Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of "making work pay," but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you're a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery -- among many -- of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama's 95% illusion to go unanswered.



Something of note is that every dollar value above $25k has a higher marginal tax rate than current law. Something else of note is that Obama wants to collect less tax revenue than Bush but plans to add dozens of government programs over the ones Bush has added.

According to Obama he will collect 18.2% of GDP while we are currently collecting 18.8% of GDP.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: JS80
He's quite the magician.

Insightful as always.

As for magic, it's McCain who needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat right about now.
 

Butterbean

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Obama is like a mediocre community college prof who woke up and discovered he could run for president because the media would cover for him and make him seem as smart as he only sounds.
 

Duwelon

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A Liberal who has to disquise his true nature behind obfuscated mazes? Who would have thought?!?!
 

Wheezer

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Well now that I read that things ain't so bad, I am currently enrolled in classes because my job was eliminated by a company take over, so instead of looking for another job, I decided to take the opportunity go back to school and get a degree...at this time I have about another year to go, and work part time for the school in the IT dept making just under 10k a year enough to keep the lights on, food on the table and gas in the cars....with Obama at the helm I am not too worried about finding a job now....hell I might just come out ahead.

I will continue to stay in school full time.
Collect all the Grant money I can.
Collect $4,000 in tax credit money for school every year.
A 10% mortgage interest tax credit
A "savings" tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.

And with my income I might just qualify for food stamps, which I will gladly take and spend...I will get enough food to keep the fridge stocked and donate the rest to charity.

Hell, with Obama in charge I'll just become a professional student, seriously.....this guy might not be so bad after all.....
 

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considering he complains about these Credits and how People will be getting possible more money than they pay in income taxes and then goes on to complain that the "marginal" tax rates will rise for low income workers and says the will be "marginally" taxed more, I feel he is full of sh!t.
 

Rainsford

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The author of this article is "quite the magician", being incredibly clever with word usage to suggest McCain's plan is actually better if you make less money. The trick is to focus on the "marginal tax rate", rather than the actual tax rate. It is true that McCain's plan creates a lower marginal tax rate as your income goes up...but this doesn't mean what you think it means, or what the author is trying to make it mean.

A lower marginal tax rate means your tax rate goes up slower as your income increases. This sounds good, because it allows you to think the words "lower" and "tax" in the same sentence, but it's (intentionally) misleading. McCain's plan results in a lower marginal tax rate because the largest cuts are at the top...but this means nothing to you until you make more than $111k per year, because up till that point, though your marginal tax rate might be higher, you STILL get to keep more of your paycheck under the Obama plan than the McCain one.

The conservative argument goes that this is a disincentive to work, but again it's all about a misleading use of the phrase "marginal". Your tax rate might go up faster under the Obama plan than the McCain one, but as long as the marginal rate isn't 100%, which it's not, you still benefit from making more money. And if you make less than $111k per year, you benefit more from the Obama tax plan than the McCain one, no fuzzy math needed.
 

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who wants to bet that colleges end up with the majority of that $4000 tax credit for expenditures?
 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
who wants to bet that colleges end up with the majority of that $4000 tax credit for expenditures?

Yep, expect college tuitions to increase. Liberals don't care though, it's like a pay off for indoctrinating the students.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
But this means nothing to you until you make more than $111k per year, because up till that point, though your marginal tax rate might be higher, you STILL get to keep more of your paycheck under the Obama plan than the McCain one.

Correction: You get to keep more of some other guy's paycheck.

Of course, he'll fudge the issue a bit more. Payroll taxes primarily go to entitlements and you get them back later, or at least supposed to. What ever happened to the bottom 50% actually funding a cent of our infrastructure?
 

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- A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to "make work pay" that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.
Upper middle class gets screwed - equivalent to a $500/person handout to everyone else

- A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.
And if one is not in school?

- A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).
Many renters out there - they end up providing a subsidy to their landlord. Do not expect that this to translate into a 10% rent reduction.

- A "savings" tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.
Not paying interest on the first $1000 - Even at 10% rate, that is $100. 50% of that means no tax on $50 - big deal.

- An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.
What about those that are supposed to get child support but do not. And how will they verify who is allowed child support - via child's SS#? How about confiscating the support payments from the credit?

- A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.
What aboiut the parent that stays at home to take care of the child instead of going ouit to the workforce?

- A "clean car" tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.
Get the US automakers to provide such cars for sale - otherwise what is the encouragement to improve the economy?


Many flaws and where are the costs to cover such items going to come from?
 

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama is like a mediocre community college prof who woke up and discovered he could run for president because the media would cover for him and make him seem as smart as he only sounds.

The University of Chicago Law School might take offense to your referring to it as a community college.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Rainsford
But this means nothing to you until you make more than $111k per year, because up till that point, though your marginal tax rate might be higher, you STILL get to keep more of your paycheck under the Obama plan than the McCain one.

Correction: You get to keep more of some other guy's paycheck.

Of course, he'll fudge the issue a bit more. Payroll taxes primarily go to entitlements and you get them back later, or at least supposed to. What ever happened to the bottom 50% actually funding a cent of our infrastructure?

Hey, I don't know about you, but I pay a non-negative amount of taxes. I make decent money, I contribute to society, and I'd like to send less of what I make to the IRS each year, and with Obama's plan I would be able to do that better than with McCain's plan. Now if that means someone who makes a few million per year has to pay a little more, I can live with that. And if someone who makes less than me gets a bigger break, I can live with that too...they probably need it more than I do. They certainly need it more than some CEO needs to buy 3 or 4 more cars to play around with.

In any case, your ranting aside, I think we're saying the same thing about their respective tax plans...we just disagree about what is "fair". McCain's plan benefits those with plenty of money already, while Obama's helps those who could use a hand. If you think Obama's is "unfair", that's a perfectly valid opinion. But please don't hide behind the lie that McCain is doing anything but screwing the non-rich so the rich can get a bigger tax cut.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: JS80

lol that is the weakest rebuttal to a factual article i've ever seen. Funny how salon states the WSJ editorial is "in the tank" for the GOP, when they and all of other print media is "in the tank" for the donks.

Factual article? Check again, it's printed in the OP-ED section of the WSJ...and it's there for a reason. And the WSJ is by far the most biased editorial section of any major news outlet, it makes the Washington Times OP-ED section look like it was overseen by Noam Chomsky.

"Factual", "biased", etc, are not words defined by YOUR political views.
 

marincounty

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Obama probably is 95% illusion, as opposed to the Republican's 100% BS. Does anyone remember surpluses as far as the eye can see? The Balanced Budget amendment?
Reaganomics? All complete horseshit.
 

StageLeft

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The problem is that republicans take offense at taxes, but taxes are a symptom. The disease is spending, and their party is afflicted by it more severely than the democrats. Indeed, the indisputable reality shatters the conservative illusion, that reality being that for several decades now republicans have increased federal spending at a rate exceeding the democratic administrations during this time.

If you don't like taxes, the chemotherapy, why don't you embrace preventative medicine and not get cancer in the first place? Cut the spending. Your party keeps smoking and then cries foul when told it needs chemotherapy. If you don't get that round of chemo now, you'll need two later, and you may not live, either.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: JS80

lol that is the weakest rebuttal to a factual article i've ever seen. Funny how salon states the WSJ editorial is "in the tank" for the GOP, when they and all of other print media is "in the tank" for the donks.

Factual article? Check again, it's printed in the OP-ED section of the WSJ...and it's there for a reason. And the WSJ is by far the most biased editorial section of any major news outlet, it makes the Washington Times OP-ED section look like it was overseen by Noam Chomsky.

"Factual", "biased", etc, are not words defined by YOUR political views.

Analyzing a tax plan = Fact, NOT opinion. All that salon piece stated was that the "poor" pay FICA. The WSJ piece already acknowledges that but it's also assumed that it's not considered a "tax" for analysis purposes because of the purported benefits one receives from paying it.