Obamacare premiums going way up for many (22% on average)

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sactoking

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So the employer is hosing me by not increasing its contribution ratio? I cannot fault them for paying the same percentage. We have an employee with a kid in 24/7 critical care and at least one person that got cancer last year. Are you saying that it is the employers fault for not firing them? We also have a quickly aging workforce, average age is in the late 50's now should they start letting the older people go to reduce our average age? No, in all these cases it is the employer that is NOT hosing the employees.

I'm saying that Obamacare did practically nothing to large group health insurance so if you're seeing huge premium increases in a large group and posting in an Obamacare thread then you're barking up the wrong tree. The large group market has always been very competitive pretty much nation-wide so there shouldn't be much reason for an employer to bend over and take that kind of increase unless they're just too lazy to shop around. Even with an adverse health profile your employer should be able to self-insure, unless they're not financially stable enough, which is again their fault.

Oh, and the deductibles went down, so there's a big portion of your increase.
 

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It will be interesting to see how much more my premiums rise under the repeal and replace plan. I think for EQUIVALENT coverage they are going to skyrocket-if I want an insurance plan basically in name only (some out of state plan with few if any local providers) it will be cheap on paper.

People will find out the rising premiums they are bitching about are because of the way our health care market is structured-too much patent protection, etc. allowing $500+ epipens. Obamacare does have some excellent features built into it that helped keep medical costs down (ie, not rise as fast).

Problem is 99% of those that bitch about Obamacare don't have it and don't need it-they are already on public dole through Medicare, Medicaid, as government employees or military.
 

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It will be interesting to see how much more my premiums rise under the repeal and replace plan. I think for EQUIVALENT coverage they are going to skyrocket-if I want an insurance plan basically in name only (some out of state plan with few if any local providers) it will be cheap on paper.

People will find out the rising premiums they are bitching about are because of the way our health care market is structured-too much patent protection, etc. allowing $500+ epipens. Obamacare does have some excellent features built into it that helped keep medical costs down (ie, not rise as fast).

Problem is 99% of those that bitch about Obamacare don't have it and don't need it-they are already on public dole through Medicare, Medicaid, as government employees or military.
If rates skyrocket the same way they dropped under Obamacare, then I look forward to the relief.
 
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Where do you see that. I look at NJ healthcare plans from 2008 and they are not better than what I see on the insurance marketplace.

http://www.nj.gov/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/histrates/eoy2008rates.pdf
Yea all those PPO's on the obamacare exchanges.

There were indeed better plans and more options before Obamacare. For example I wouldn't need mental coverage short of a traumatic brain injury. I definitely don't need maternity coverage. Those plans are rated based on different factors like age, gender, and geographic location. That type of health insurance pricing is now illegal. You had more options as a result to custom tailor your health insurance to best suit your needs.

I personally would be best suited to a HDHP with an HSA as would most young people but the problem is that this system is too rigid in this economy. As I say and count down on my fingers "I've had 5 health insurances 4 jobs and 3 apartments in 2 years" Probably not that atypical for a millenial.

So HDHP's and HSA's are too rigid because the paperwork involved hopping around insurance plans is too tedius. There is too much of a system to be gamed there and I just would never have the time to learn about 5 different health insurance HSA's in 2 years yet alone what type of network coverage and doctors they keep in network. Op its November your plan got dropped again! Nay forget the whole plan.... whole carriers are dropping out. All I know is BCBS honestly.

Enjoy!

Obamacare is drowning in a sea of billing, insurance, and doctor network paperwork. I was literally spending about 10 hours per 15 minutes at the doctors. It is equally onerous on the health industry and prices have nowhere to go but up when you need to hire 20% more staff to do paperwork and diddle on EHR's, in terms of front line employees.

Its somewhat do-able if I was going to make say, $30-35k for the rest of my life but screw that.

Just wait until the X percentage of people lose their tax forms for health insurance and get hit with extra income taxes for 2017. Having dealt with Obamacare before, I know how tedious complying with the law already is, but it will probably shock a lot of people on employer plans when you file your taxes next year because the exemption to avoid the additional income tax without insurance verification is gone.

Its a paperwork nightmare. How does a barber or waiter project next years income for the subsidy? Both types of jobs that kinda-sorta qualify for a subsidy. If you haven't noticed... people hate being tipped on credit now much more so than even in the past.
 
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Yea all those PPO's on the obamacare exchanges.

There were indeed better plans and more options before Obamacare. For example I wouldn't need mental coverage short of a traumatic brain injury. I definitely don't need maternity coverage. Those plans are rated based on different factors like age, gender, and geographic location. That type of health insurance pricing is now illegal. You had more options as a result to custom tailor your health insurance to best suit your needs.

I personally would be best suited to a HDHP with an HSA as would most young people but the problem is that this system is too rigid in this economy. As I say and count down on my fingers "I've had 5 health insurances 4 jobs and 3 apartments in 2 years" Probably not that atypical for a millenial.

So HDHP's and HSA's are too rigid because the paperwork involved hopping around insurance plans. There is too much of a system to be gamed there and I just would never have the time to learn about 5 different health insurance HSA's in 2 years.

I'm looking at the cheapest HMO plans from 2008. They are all more expensive than what Obamacare options give me. Without subsidies.
 

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It will be interesting to see how much more my premiums rise under the repeal and replace plan. I think for EQUIVALENT coverage they are going to skyrocket-if I want an insurance plan basically in name only (some out of state plan with few if any local providers) it will be cheap on paper.

People will find out the rising premiums they are bitching about are because of the way our health care market is structured-too much patent protection, etc. allowing $500+ epipens. Obamacare does have some excellent features built into it that helped keep medical costs down (ie, not rise as fast).

Problem is 99% of those that bitch about Obamacare don't have it and don't need it-they are already on public dole through Medicare, Medicaid, as government employees or military.
Costs went up because the cost of complying with the law went up. Read into EHR's and how they were required by Obamacare. Now instead of actually looking at the patient the doctor is probably multi-tasking on a computer. Those software systems effectively put small family-run practices out of business and everyone needs to join a large health organization to join in on their EHR medical and billing systems. Epic EHR's for a 250 bed hospital costs about $100million. So if you're wondering why it was already $10 to get a Tylenol when the Doctor ($200-250k/yr) writes an order to the pharmacist ($120k/yr) and has a nurse give it to you ($70k/yr) well now its $12 because the order was entered through a $100million dollar peice of software. You voted for it (although admittedly nobody read what they voted for).
 

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I'm looking at the cheapest HMO plans from 2008. They are all more expensive than what Obamacare options give me. Without subsidies.
Those types of low deductibles don't even exist short of a "platinum" or "gold" plan which is what those plans are equivalent to.
 

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Those types of low deductibles don't even exist short of a "platinum" or "gold" plan which is what those plans are equivalent to.

even the cheapest Obamacare GOLD plan is $617 with no deductible and a super cheap $10 co-pay while one plan listed in my link is just over $550 with a higher copay, and the next plan after that is over $900.

I'm going to take a silver plan anyway. I will save hundreds compared to those options. And still get respectable coverage.

As flawed as the ACA is with all its bureaucracy acquired through way too much governmental wheeling and dealing to get passed it's the best option I have.
 

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Costs went up because the cost of complying with the law went up. Read into EHR's and how they were required by Obamacare. Now instead of actually looking at the patient the doctor is probably multi-tasking on a computer. Those software systems effectively put small family-run practices out of business and everyone needs to join a large health organization to join in on their EHR medical and billing systems. Epic EHR's for a 250 bed hospital costs about $100million. So if you're wondering why it was already $10 to get a Tylenol when the Doctor ($200-250k/yr) writes an order to the pharmacist ($120k/yr) and has a nurse give it to you ($70k/yr) well now its $12 because the order was entered through a $100million dollar peice of software. You voted for it (although admittedly nobody read what they voted for).

Great point. The salaries of these workers is chump change compared to the immense IT and infrastructure costs of healthcare.

I need only catastrophic coverage and since this happened it seems my premiums have tripled.I haven't needed an office visit in almost a decade. I love my choices being taken away from me because no doubt big brother knows better what plan is right for me.

All I can hope is that at least the jobs for this software are kept in the US but knowing how this works I'll bet most of the software is produced in China or India so only the company fat cats benefit from the new laws. Typical.
 
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Costs went up because the cost of complying with the law went up. Read into EHR's and how they were required by Obamacare. Now instead of actually looking at the patient the doctor is probably multi-tasking on a computer. Those software systems effectively put small family-run practices out of business and everyone needs to join a large health organization to join in on their EHR medical and billing systems. Epic EHR's for a 250 bed hospital costs about $100million. So if you're wondering why it was already $10 to get a Tylenol when the Doctor ($200-250k/yr) writes an order to the pharmacist ($120k/yr) and has a nurse give it to you ($70k/yr) well now its $12 because the order was entered through a $100million dollar peice of software. You voted for it (although admittedly nobody read what they voted for).

Do you even know how computers/sw works? Hint: they take what required a lot of literal paper pushing and makes that process relatively trivial. They also scale and cost nothing to replicate.
 

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Costs went up because the cost of complying with the law went up. Read into EHR's and how they were required by Obamacare. Now instead of actually looking at the patient the doctor is probably multi-tasking on a computer. Those software systems effectively put small family-run practices out of business and everyone needs to join a large health organization to join in on their EHR medical and billing systems. Epic EHR's for a 250 bed hospital costs about $100million. So if you're wondering why it was already $10 to get a Tylenol when the Doctor ($200-250k/yr) writes an order to the pharmacist ($120k/yr) and has a nurse give it to you ($70k/yr) well now its $12 because the order was entered through a $100million dollar peice of software. You voted for it (although admittedly nobody read what they voted for).

Let's do some math here.

Let's say this software is amortized over 10 years.

That gives us 3650 days.

Let's multiply that by the number of beds: 250

Giving us 912,500 bed-days.

We spent $100 million dollars for 912,500 bed-days.

Divide

Each bed-day now has an additional $109.58 cost. FOR AN ANCILLARY SERVICE.

This is a joke. This isn't for medication. It isn't for a doctor's consultation or opinion. This $110 a night right on the top.

We sit here wondering why healthcare is expensive. We can't even afford the system we have and we choose to burden ourselves with this additional cost.

I know I'm going hear about "cost savings" and "higher quality care" because of this extra IT. I'll tell you one thing about your health. It's your damn responsibility first and foremost.

If you can't be bothered to take with you the easily available records on your own health to a new doctor then how do you expect anyone to care more for you than you care for yourself?

I do think healthcare needs to be more electronic but does it have to be so all encompassing? All because people are too lazy to watch their own damn records?

The doctors and nurses I talk to tell me they spend more than 50% of their time behind a computer. They talk about how onerous these systems are. Is this software making them more efficient or less? Are these people spending more or less time with patients because of these forced changes.

Everyone has a choice in who they see. People should be able to choose a small family practice doc as much as they can choose the corporate doc with the systems and computers. Let the people chose where they go and if it turns out people overwhelmingly prefer the computer doc then I guess the old school doctors will adopt the system.
 

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My BCBS (Florida Blue) zero deductible platinum family plan is increasing from $2,175 to $2,800+ per month in 2017. My wife and I are retired and both have some medical issues and we a have a teenage daughter still in high school with medical issues. The medical issues are not major but we do visit doctors more often and get more tests done. We felt this was the best plan for us in 2016 and we did not qualify for a subsidy. Now we are looking at Florida Blue Gold and Silver plans with large deductibles and 20% co-pays that are in the $1,800 to $2,000 premium range. Being older, if we have to go to the hospital or have major surgery we could easily go over the cost increase difference between a Gold or Silver plan and our 2017 Platinum plan. We're still trying to figure out our best option but it boils down to risk assessment.
 

werepossum

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Let's do some math here.

Let's say this software is amortized over 10 years.

That gives us 3650 days.

Let's multiply that by the number of beds: 250

Giving us 912,500 bed-days.

We spent $100 million dollars for 912,500 bed-days.

Divide

Each bed-day now has an additional $109.58 cost. FOR AN ANCILLARY SERVICE.

This is a joke. This isn't for medication. It isn't for a doctor's consultation or opinion. This $110 a night right on the top.

We sit here wondering why healthcare is expensive. We can't even afford the system we have and we choose to burden ourselves with this additional cost.

I know I'm going hear about "cost savings" and "higher quality care" because of this extra IT. I'll tell you one thing about your health. It's your damn responsibility first and foremost.

If you can't be bothered to take with you the easily available records on your own health to a new doctor then how do you expect anyone to care more for you than you care for yourself?

I do think healthcare needs to be more electronic but does it have to be so all encompassing? All because people are too lazy to watch their own damn records?

The doctors and nurses I talk to tell me they spend more than 50% of their time behind a computer. They talk about how onerous these systems are. Is this software making them more efficient or less? Are these people spending more or less time with patients because of these forced changes.

Everyone has a choice in who they see. People should be able to choose a small family practice doc as much as they can choose the corporate doc with the systems and computers. Let the people chose where they go and if it turns out people overwhelmingly prefer the computer doc then I guess the old school doctors will adopt the system.
Ongoing training and maintenance are going to be fierce too. When my primary doctor was adopting this system, their patient count was cut in half for two weeks and they had one trainer per employee - including clerical.
 

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Let's do some math here.

Let's say this software is amortized over 10 years.

That gives us 3650 days.

Let's multiply that by the number of beds: 250

Giving us 912,500 bed-days.

We spent $100 million dollars for 912,500 bed-days.

Divide

Each bed-day now has an additional $109.58 cost. FOR AN ANCILLARY SERVICE.

This is a joke. This isn't for medication. It isn't for a doctor's consultation or opinion. This $110 a night right on the top.

We sit here wondering why healthcare is expensive. We can't even afford the system we have and we choose to burden ourselves with this additional cost.

I know I'm going hear about "cost savings" and "higher quality care" because of this extra IT. I'll tell you one thing about your health. It's your damn responsibility first and foremost.

If you can't be bothered to take with you the easily available records on your own health to a new doctor then how do you expect anyone to care more for you than you care for yourself?

I do think healthcare needs to be more electronic but does it have to be so all encompassing? All because people are too lazy to watch their own damn records?

The doctors and nurses I talk to tell me they spend more than 50% of their time behind a computer. They talk about how onerous these systems are. Is this software making them more efficient or less? Are these people spending more or less time with patients because of these forced changes.

Everyone has a choice in who they see. People should be able to choose a small family practice doc as much as they can choose the corporate doc with the systems and computers. Let the people chose where they go and if it turns out people overwhelmingly prefer the computer doc then I guess the old school doctors will adopt the system.

Shitty math is shitty.

You are only looking at inpatient stays. And for a single hospital. Inpatient visits are going down. Most Epic hospital systems are multi-facility and leverage it across facilities. Outpatient/ambulatory visits are going way up and the EMR's are installed there too..That can be over 100,000+ encounters a year for even a modest health care network. Not to mention a high volume trauma center that does 100,000+ ED visits a year or a heart hospital that does another 7000+ cath's. All of this is tracked in one system. From your outpatient visits of your PCP to your cardiology clinic scripts, to the imaging done in the echo lab to the ED visit you had when you had chest pains. Tell me...when you drop dead from a heart attack, are resuscitated and lifeflighted to a cath lab are you going to have a stack of medical records with you? Are you going to hand deliver your cath report to your primary care doc out in podunkville once you get released? No. You aren't. Old school paper and pen docs loath EMR's.

Any new clinician that has started with an integrated EMR and has all of that info at there fingertips and is then forced to go back to the archaic paper days loathes that. Information is power when it's organized and available. Not to mention the ability to data mine for trends and quality measures.
 
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Yo, WP, medishare is looking like $489/mo with a $5K "deductible". After 1 month, can apply for a "healthy" discount...<30BMI, normal BP/cholesterol, ...$403/mo. No HSA yet but maybe 2018.
 

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Shitty math is shitty.

You are only looking at inpatient stays. And for a single hospital. Inpatient visits are going down. Most Epic hospital systems are multi-facility and leverage it across facilities. Outpatient/ambulatory visits are going way up and the EMR's are installed there too..That can be over 100,000+ encounters a year for even a modest health care network. Not to mention a high volume trauma center that does 100,000+ ED visits a year or a heart hospital that does another 7000+ cath's. All of this is tracked in one system. From your outpatient visits of your PCP to your cardiology clinic scripts, to the imaging done in the echo lab to the ED visit you had when you had chest pains. Tell me...when you drop dead from a heart attack, are resuscitated and lifeflighted to a cath lab are you going to have a stack of medical records with you? Are you going to hand deliver your cath report to your primary care doc out in podunkville once you get released? No. You aren't. Old school paper and pen docs loath EMR's.

Any new clinician that has started with an integrated EMR and has all of that info at there fingertips and is then forced to go back to the archaic paper days loathes that. Information is power when it's organized and available. Not to mention the ability to data mine for trends and quality measures.

I agree I didn't mention all the other services this IT supports.

But you talk to any physician and they'll tell you how much of their time (very expensive time) is used in front of a computer instead of patients. This includes even brand new residents. If you ask them what they hate most it's that darned crap IT.

I'm not saying we shouldn't modernize healthcare but the roll out is incredibly fast and the systems need to worked on better. Any physician will tell you how backwards these systems are. Should we go whole hog before someone develops a better system?

Why not develop a cost effective user friendly system first and then double down on it?

Also you should keep your cath report on you when you see your primary care doc. It's your responsibility to report to him or her your history. And these systems as they stand do not ensure Dr. Podunkville has any access to them.

I guess people want all this done for them just like in those ads where the auto braking kicks in and everyone has that shit grin.
 
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Ongoing training and maintenance are going to be fierce too. When my primary doctor was adopting this system, their patient count was cut in half for two weeks and they had one trainer per employee - including clerical.

From what I hear they never really recover the patient load they used to be able to see. Instead they need extra staff just to deal with this and see less patients. So this will require more physicians to meet the load.

I thought technology was to make us more efficient.
 

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May as well face the writing on the wall that independent little PCP's are going to be extinct shortly. All major systems are offering contracts, buyouts, or strangling markets so that it's just simply not practical to practice. Specialty practices are getting bought up wholesale and eventually all MD's are going to be part of a larger system. Some groups are resisting (Radiology, Emergency Medicine, and Anesthesia) but eventually systems will leverage to the point where they'll just hire on staff instead of dealing with independents other than when it's helpful (staffing shortage, holidays, overnights, ect).

Everything is moving to data driven outcomes. Population Health Management, Clinical Decision Support and Pay for Performance are the three big buzz phrases. Population health management is a huge push and basically reviews particular populations of people that are at risk or in risk of particular disease states. Pre-diabetic, heart disease, ect. Patients are tagged based upon problem statements, vitals, lab results and other discrete data associated on their records across their care within a system. Care planners are appointed groups of these people to follow them and make sure they are getting to their visits on time, tracking the effectiveness of therapy and a whole host of other functions. The entire goal is taking huge buckets of data and carving out high cost, high risk groups and going preventative and proactive with them. Sending a $20 taxi to pickup a patient for a visit to a PCP instead of waiting for them to go full cardiac arrest a few months down the road and resulting in a $1000 ambulance bill and associated admission costs.

Clinical decision support is a rules based, data driven model put into the ordering system of EMR's that look at a host of information about that patient and assign risk and appropriateness of various diagnostic procedures. It cuts down on excess labs, excess radiation dosing, unnecessary tests and ultimately cuts down on cost and "volume" in a hospital. Many diagnostic orders in the next 5 years will be required to pass a CDS rule before being allowed to be placed.

Same thing exists for quality measures that directly impact hospital reimbursement. Bouncebacks, response times, antibiotic usage, ect. It's all based on data and would be nearly impossible to accurately mine through paper.

If somebody comes into a hospital complaining of chest pains an EKG is going to be performed and reviewed by a cardiologist prior to hauling them to the cath lab. If it's not a real heart attack they aren't getting hauled to the lab. 20 years ago if a cardiologist was not on staff after hours that EKG would have to be printed. They'd have to page the cardiologist on call. They'd fax a shitty quality read of that EKG over to his house fax line. Then he'd have to look at it and send it back in with his hand written interpretation. Now we took a shitty copy from fax, printed on it, and faxed it back again. Now this copy of a copy is stuck with a pile of papers and shoved *hopefully* in a folder and eventually makes it way back to medical records to be stored in a giant file room that is incredibly expensive, not to mention all that fast to retrieve things from. Any time somebody wants to review that EKG they have to go to medical records and have a copy made *again* of that copy of a copy making for a 3rd copy. It's inefficient, and it's just terrible diagnostic quality.

Plus you have to do a paper billing for the technical performance of that EKG. You have to put a billing person in place on the profession side to bill for the doctors read.

Compare that to today...

EKG is done. It's sent into the EKG system. Doctor gets paged. Signs in from his home computer and reads it in full diagnostic quality. Within seconds of clicking the sign button you've got a reference quality image going back to the EMR's with a typed up result from the physician that can now also be data mined via structured reporting for various clinical significance. That result is now available immediately to anyone within the healthcare system with access to the EMR's. It's available to affiliated clinics who have access to physician portals for the EMR. Tech billing for that EKG is automatically charged against the account with no extra work required by anyone. Same with billing that drops to a billing extract and is picked up by a professional billing system.

Now apply that same logic to radiology, other cardiology studies, labs, ect. There are definitely efficiency gains made with EMR's. Especially so when companies are able to reduce their application portfolio down from 25+ disparaging systems with limited interoptibility to 3-4 systems that are tightly integrated. Data is stored on a singular DB with all of those patient stays and encounter data available in one place.

Yes doctors are put in front of computers more. But you don't have a ton of "behind the scenes" staff running around peddling paper, burning results to CD's, making terrible copies, going through enourmous stacks of paper trying to manually bill for things, ect. That data is all available to them now.

Efficiency is a dirty word.
 
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Costs went up because the cost of complying with the law went up. Read into EHR's and how they were required by Obamacare. Now instead of actually looking at the patient the doctor is probably multi-tasking on a computer. Those software systems effectively put small family-run practices out of business and everyone needs to join a large health organization to join in on their EHR medical and billing systems. Epic EHR's for a 250 bed hospital costs about $100million. So if you're wondering why it was already $10 to get a Tylenol when the Doctor ($200-250k/yr) writes an order to the pharmacist ($120k/yr) and has a nurse give it to you ($70k/yr) well now its $12 because the order was entered through a $100million dollar peice of software. You voted for it (although admittedly nobody read what they voted for).
Not just hospitals. I used to help support a local optometrist, and his business is nearly gone now and it's due to the electronic record keeping regulations. It's not just that you have to switch over to digital records, it's that there are a slim few officially supported vendors - virtually no competition plus federal demands on the purchase of the systems & services, equates into gross price gouging. You either find a way to pay for the computer systems and fire an employee (causing all other employees to work more hours for no extra pay), or go out of business.
 

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Yo, WP, medishare is looking like $489/mo with a $5K "deductible". After 1 month, can apply for a "healthy" discount...<30BMI, normal BP/cholesterol, ...$403/mo. No HSA yet but maybe 2018.
I may go that route. Does it keep away the Obamatax for not having health insurance?

From what I hear they never really recover the patient load they used to be able to see. Instead they need extra staff just to deal with this and see less patients. So this will require more physicians to meet the load.

I thought technology was to make us more efficient.
From what I've seen, they are adding technicians first, then nurse practitioners and PAs to help the doctor recover the time. I'm generally fine with seeing a nurse practitioner or a PA - especially since 90% of the latter seem to be very petite and very attractive young females - and only seeing the doctor on their discretion.
 

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Any new clinician that has started with an integrated EMR and has all of that info at there fingertips and is then forced to go back to the archaic paper days loathes that. Information is power when it's organized and available. Not to mention the ability to data mine for trends and quality measures.
Basically advantage goes to large corporatey hospitals and clinics, and small operations are kicked aside. It takes a ton of data points to effectively data mine for profit.
 

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Basically advantage goes to large corporatey hospitals and clinics, and small operations are kicked aside. It takes a ton of data points to effectively data mine for profit.

Yep. And that's why you see so many mergers/acquisitions happening in the healthcare industry. Little individual shops can't continue to function so they sell and take on the name/operations of a larger company. Reality is that it's not a terrible arrangement. Most of the time those regional sites are just feeder systems to the bigger ones any way. They never did have the acute care needs for high risk procedures/patients and sent them down the road to the big sites. Now they have an integrated EMR with the other hospitals in the area as well as the clinics around them. They have the same employees. Typically are getting better benefits due to larger employee pool, and the hospital is getting better purchasing prices due to corporate purchasing power of the larger system. Patients still get to go to the same small hospital they were used to and see the same providers. It's just got a different logo on the front and a different computer system behind it.
 
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Yep. And that's why you see so many mergers/acquisitions happening in the healthcare industry. Little individual shops can't continue to function so they sell and take on the name/operations of a larger company. Reality is that it's not a terrible arrangement. Most of the time those regional sites are just feeder systems to the bigger ones any way. They never did have the acute care needs for high risk procedures/patients and sent them down the road to the big sites. Now they have an integrated EMR with the other hospitals in the area as well as the clinics around them. They have the same employees. Typically are getting better benefits due to larger employee pool, and the hospital is getting better purchasing prices due to corporate purchasing power of the larger system. Patients still get to go to the same small hospital they were used to and see the same providers. It's just got a different logo on the front and a different computer system behind it.


I think it is too late now to go back to paper days. Most of the hospitals are already on some kind of EMR system and eventually the little guys will have to do the same to order anything.
 

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I think it is too late now to go back to paper days. Most of the hospitals are already on some kind of EMR system and eventually the little guys will have to do the same to order anything.
It's always amusing when people on a computer forum pretend they can't figure out the benefits of using computers.