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Obamacare is "repealed" in the House

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werepossum said:
You can have pre-existing coverage without a mandate if it is handled like corporate policies. Pre-existing condition coverage kicks in slowly over a couple or three years, so that taking a shit job with good insurance just to handle that problem you've been putting off doesn't work so well. What you can't do is mandate that a pre-existing condition has to be covered completely from day one, 'cause then the fine is still cheaper until you need it. Right now the people suffering from pre-existing conditions are screwed forever if they have to buy individual insurance.
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That doesn't solve the problem of someone getting cancer and having no possible way to pay for it. What are they gonna do, wait 3 years? The fact is, everybody needs health insurance because everybody is at risk of serious illness. And insurance companies need to take in more in premiums than they pay out. The only real solution is public "insurance" that automatically covers EVERY citizen, just like FEMA helps everybody whose life is destroyed by a natural disaster. Anything less means healthcare rationing, death panels, and avoidable deaths.


Personally I think the biggest advance in health care coverage would be to rid ourselves of this notion that our regular health care should be paid for by "someone else." Insurance - any sort of insurance - should be for the unexpected.
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I disagree. Insurance should cover everything 100%, or possibly have a nominal co-pay, and be priced accordingly. Percentages make no sense. I'm sure most people have chosen not to treat a serious health problem because of the cost. I put off a hernia surgery for almost a year because it would cost $4000 even with my insurance. Then I finally did it because I had to do a physical for a new job and would have failed with the hernia. If I didn't have a credit card I wouldn't have been able to pay at all...

If I had a choice there is no way I would have paid that much. Not until it became a life or death issue. I self-rationed and put myself in danger.

Now, thanks to my debt from that surgery and big moving expenses, I have $50 worth of credit, and $500 in the bank which will be gone in 3 weeks. I noticed the other day I have 4 cavities, but I can't afford the copays for my dental insurance. So I won't get my cavities fixed until it becomes a serious problem. A lot of people are in that boat, and it makes no sense for our overall health as a nation.

The term "insurance" needs an asterix next to it.
 
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werepossum said:
It's now customary to include a line about how Republicans' violent rhetoric is causing violence when accusing them of wanting to murder people. Might want to make a note before you lose your moon bat cred.
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Who said murder? There has to be intent and motive for murder.

I'm just saying they're indifferent to the continued living of the American people.


I don't mind that you try to dismiss me as a nutjob, but to shift what I said to something I didn't... well, either you were probably best not bothering to respond to me, or alternately, you don't have a counter-argument to make against what I actually said.
 
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senseamp said:
single payer, which is my end goal.
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And for every wrong under the current system that's been brought up you'll defend a hundred with "it's the law of the land". After all, you think that physicians who would chose their patients over regulations are wrong.

Authoritarians. Gotta love em. Well, no.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
And for every wrong under the current system that's been brought up you'll defend a hundred with "it's the law of the land". After all, you think that physicians who would chose their patients over regulations are wrong.

Authoritarians. Gotta love em. Well, no.
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You're realize you're arguing with someone who wants others to pay for his "free" healthcare so/while he can eat produce picked by illegals he wants to have continually exploited so said produce will cost a whopping few cents less, right?

Chuck
 
werepossum said:
I don't think at this point anyone has a clue what "the Republican plan" is or will be.
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Hey, don't rain on their parade. They've got themselves all wound up based on "feelings" again.

I just read earlier today about the numerous ideas the Republicans have got for dealing with health care. I am totally convinced that those ideas are not making the news at the sites and networks our friends on the left are reading and watching.

There are a lot of good facets to the existing legislation. But those good points have blinded far too many to the overwhelming piles of steaming, stinking, shit in the bill. Anyone that is remotely fair-minded knows that the CBO score of this bill that is touted by the left as the raison d'etre for this bill was based on garbage. The result is that we have a bloated, ineffectual piece of legislation crafted and voted on in the dark of night. A bill that we can't afford. A bill that will increase costs and provide sub-standard coverage. A bill designed to shift costs to states. States that are near bankruptcy. A bill that covers virtually the entire world because we are not truly interested in policing our borders.

The same people that turn a blind eye to another $1 Trillion added to the debt in the course of the last eight months are fully behind this legislation. They're behind it because they think "other people" are going to have to pay for it. They're behind it because they're in love with the "idea" of the bill. They're behind it because they want, want, want.

So they're pouting and holding their breath until they turn blue.
 
The flaw in the boomerand argument is that that our existing heath care strategy is a steaming turd and on the verge of collapse. The GOP complaint of but but but Obama care is not perfect has zero validity.

We have to apples to apples compare what we had to what we may get, and compare what is cheapest for us ALL. Because at the rate we are going, fewer and fewer Americans will have employers able to afford bothering to participate in the older system.
 
chucky2 said:
You're realize you're arguing with someone who wants others to pay for his "free" healthcare so/while he can eat produce picked by illegals he wants to have continually exploited so said produce will cost a whopping few cents less, right?

Chuck
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Actually, I pay a lot more in taxes than I use in services, so I would be paying for someone, not having others pay for me. You can now resume your regularly scheduled rant already in progress.
 
Exterous said:
While I cannot be sure this is the case for you insurance companies raised premiums to handled the increase in dependants (or whatever they are to be considered) covered. BCBS did, BCN did, M Care did. Therefore my insurance premiums (and most in the state) went up because other people's kids are still on their insurance.

At least he has a job now though!
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I'm pretty happy to be one kid lighter I'll tell you! We're not part of any of those mentioned groups but we'd be most similar to MCare as I used to work at the U and ours is pretty much the same thing. I've seen small increases every year and a little more deductible/co-pay each time open enrollment rolls around each year since getting into healthcare. I couldn't blame those increases on Obamacare. They seem to find reasons every year to jack up our rates a little bit. This is just the cause celebre 2011 imo. Maybe too early to tell...
 
senseamp said:
Actually, I pay a lot more in taxes than I use in services, so I would be paying for someone, not having others pay for me. You can now resume your regularly scheduled rant already in progress.
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Right....that's why you're so concerned by paying a few cents extra for produce, better to exploit some brown people, amirite?
 
pcgeek11 said:
My god you are thick:

Originally Posted by pcgeek11
You need to get out more. The Obamacare is 100% Dem bill. They shuttered out the GOP and the US population as they developed the bill behind closed doors. Then Pelosi made the grand statement " You will know what is in the bill after it passes".

In response you posted the pictures of the Blair House meeting held AFTER the HC Bill was passed. With this comment:

Originally Posted by her209
I recall the bill going to the different committees and was held up in the Finance Committee for the longest time.

The Republicans had multiple opportunities to have input in the bill but they stomped their feet and threw their tantrums like little children.

That was how. It was a clear misrepresentation of the photos.
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Thanks for proving you're nothing but a two-bit hack.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31110440&postcount=85
No shit, the pictures weren't supposed to be from the committees.
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Instead of wasting their fucking time repealing it they should be working to ammend it but then that means they'd actually be doing something constructive.
 
chucky2 said:
Right....that's why you're so concerned by paying a few cents extra for produce, better to exploit some brown people, amirite?
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Abundant and affordable fruits and vegetables are important for many people who are struggling to put food on the table. I am not one of them, but I want my produce cheap anyways. I am against involuntary exploitation, but if people want to come here and work for cheap, and it allows them to support their whole family at home, then I don't see a problem. We have fields that need workers, and there are people who want to work those fields, sounds like a no brainer.
 
I guess I'll wait and see what Republican replacement looks like. They got 2 years to come up with one, then we can have a vote, do we want Obamacare or Boehnercare.
 
Horrible poll numbers on Obamacare:
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If you are a Republican 😀
More Americans want to keep the sweeping health care reform legislation passed last year than want to repeal it, according to a new CBS News/New York Times survey. Forty-eight percent of Americans say they want to keep the law in place, while 40 percent want to see it repealed.

Republicans campaigned on repealing the bill in the run-up to the midterm elections, and one of the first actions of the new GOP-led House was to pass a repeal bill.
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matt0611 said:
Don't you want full socialized medicine anyway?
40% is still pretty good.

Its not constitutional anyway, so it doesn't really matter
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Of course it matters. If you are for universal single-payer system, the best political path forward is for this to be overturned by a USSC ruling that individual mandate is unconstitutional in spite of public support for the reform law.
 
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