Obamacare...how much worse will it get?

[rudeguy]

How much worse do things have to get before we fix this or shut it down completely? Its actually quite scary how bad things are and how bad they are projected to get.

Examples:

Obamacare website still not secure. Numerous experts and officials have called for the website to be shutdown until proper security is in place. No fix is in place and millions of peoples information is at risk. Everyone is outraged at Target because someone found a backdoor. Obamacare leaves the front door wide open!
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/02...are-site-until-security-issues-resolved-99663

Speaking of security, how about giving some Belarussian hackers access to the code?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...obamacare/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

But at least health insurance is cheaper. RIght? RIGHT? No, its not.
http://obamacarefacts.com/irs-average-family-20,000-insurance-obamacare.php

But at least I can keep my doctor! No
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02/more-doctors-and-hospitals-excluded-from-obamacare-plans/

But if I like my plan, I can keep my plan! NO
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2013/11/losing-health-insurance-due-to-obamacare

Well at least people still have jobs! Ummm...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-will-shrink-workforce-by-2-million-report-says/

Its only those racist Republicans who keep bashing Obama. Everything is fine for real world people! Well don't ask the people who voted for him who lost their plans and their doctors.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/03/betrayed-by-the-president-and-obamacare/

 

[Thebobo]

All conservative websites that have political agendas and the CBS one you don't understand.

 

[senseamp]

How much worse do things have to get before we fix this or shut it down completely? Its actually quite scary how bad things are and how bad they are projected to get.

Examples:

Obamacare website still not secure. Numerous experts and officials have called for the website to be shutdown until proper security is in place. No fix is in place and millions of peoples information is at risk. Everyone is outraged at Target because someone found a backdoor. Obamacare leaves the front door wide open!
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/02...are-site-until-security-issues-resolved-99663

Speaking of security, how about giving some Belarussian hackers access to the code?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...obamacare/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

But at least health insurance is cheaper. RIght? RIGHT? No, its not.
http://obamacarefacts.com/irs-average-family-20,000-insurance-obamacare.php

But at least I can keep my doctor! No
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02/more-doctors-and-hospitals-excluded-from-obamacare-plans/

But if I like my plan, I can keep my plan! NO
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2013/11/losing-health-insurance-due-to-obamacare

Well at least people still have jobs! Ummm...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-will-shrink-workforce-by-2-million-report-says/

Its only those racist Republicans who keep bashing Obama. Everything is fine for real world people! Well don't ask the people who voted for him who lost their plans and their doctors.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/03/betrayed-by-the-president-and-obamacare/

Debunked already.

How much worse will GOP lying on Obamacare get? Who knows, probably not much since they've been lying from day one.

 

[KK]

Debunked already.

How much worse will GOP lying on Obamacare get? Who knows, probably not much since they've been lying from day one.

So am I the dumb shit here or are you. You post a website that shows that 2 something million will find the benefit of not working to be advantageous to working because of how obama care is set up, and you are using this to support the most worthless fuck nut of a president we've ever had. God, stupid people like you ought to just go DIAF.

 

[Exterous]

Obamacare website still not secure. Numerous experts and officials have called for the website to be shutdown until proper security is in place. No fix is in place and millions of peoples information is at risk. Everyone is outraged at Target because someone found a backdoor. Obamacare leaves the front door wide open!

Honestly that's one of my biggest issues right there: forcing people by threat of penalty to enter personal data on a site with known security issues. Makes me wonder what will happen when that site suffers a breach. I can guarantee you there'd be a lawsuit (As if Americans wouldn't sue over something) I just wonder what the payout would be

 

[Slick5150]

So am I the dumb shit here or are you. You post a website that shows that 2 something million will find the benefit of not working to be advantageous to working because of how obama care is set up, and you are using this to support the most worthless fuck nut of a president we've ever had. God, stupid people like you ought to just go DIAF.

The rest of your "argument" here supports the theory that the bolded part is likely true.

 

[piasabird]

The IRS will start repossessing houses if you don't pay your tax when you don't have health insurance.

What kind of foolish person wants to give the IRS more power?

 

[Thebobo]

The IRS will start repossessing houses if you don't pay your tax when you don't have health insurance.

What kind of foolish person wants to give the IRS more power?

Lol were you read that?

 

[Daverino]

The IRS will start repossessing houses if you don't pay your tax when you don't have health insurance.

What kind of foolish person wants to give the IRS more power?

14,000,000 insured Americans so far.

Obama is history's greatest monster.

 

[dmcowen674]

Obamacare...how much worse will it get?

How much worse do things have to get before we fix this or shut it down completely?

Its actually quite scary how bad things are and how bad they are projected to get.

I lean left and this thing is hurting me but if it makes the America hating whackos on the right squirm more and hurts them then more power to it.

 

[dmcowen674]

The IRS will start repossessing houses if you don't pay your tax when you don't have health insurance.

As long as they are scooping up Radical Righties houses as well then awesome.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The IRS will start repossessing houses if you don't pay your tax when you don't have health insurance.

What kind of foolish person wants to give the IRS more power?

One day you guys are going to start discussing the ACA honestly. Clearly not any time soon. But eventually. I have hope.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol were you read that?

Clearly from an email and emails don't lie! It's why he thinks lots of women just want to hook up with him and it why he believes he will be rich some day, once one of his Nigerian friends comes through! It's why he doesn't have a lot of self worth because he's constantly told he needs to grow his penis larger.

 

[senseamp]

We'll see what the GOP alternative is.

 

[shira]

So am I the dumb shit here or are you. You post a website that shows that 2 something million will find the benefit of not working to be advantageous to working because of how obama care is set up, and you are using this to support the most worthless fuck nut of a president we've ever had. God, stupid people like you ought to just go DIAF.

So you think it's a good thing that millions of people have been forced to work because this was the only way they were able to obtain employer-provided health insurance? And now, under Obamacare, they can get coverage on the exchanges, so they're free to do with their lives what they really want? And you claim this is a bad thing?

Spin, spin, spin, spin.

 

[TheSiege]

I know 3 people on Obamacare, and 1 on the state ran exchange. They all have to pay, but its affordable and it there when they need it. Granted they weren't paying shit before, but they also didn't have coverage. I have yet to see one person, who has taken the time, to go through the process and get signed up complain about something legitimate. 95% of employers are using it as an excuse to shift the burden onto the employee but in reality ACA has saved them money by limiting inflation in health care.

 

[Strk]

I can understand the frustration with losing your doctor, but the plan part I've always been confused by. Sure, Obama never should have said "if you like your plan, you can keep it." Why? Because some plans were unbelievably shitty. They were basically only there to say you had coverage, but didn't really cover anything.

My problem with Obamacare is that it barely touches what is necessary. The only part I 100% agree with is the removal of preexisting conditions and a disqualification.

 

[rudeguy]

I can understand the frustration with losing your doctor, but the plan part I've always been confused by. Sure, Obama never should have said "if you like your plan, you can keep it." Why? Because some plans were unbelievably shitty. They were basically only there to say you had coverage, but didn't really cover anything.

My problem with Obamacare is that it barely touches what is necessary. The only part I 100% agree with is the removal of preexisting conditions and a disqualification.

The point is if he lied about that, the part that he repeated a thousand times, what else did he lie about? We were lied to, deceived, tricked, had the truth hidden from us. This is not ok.

 

[IGBT]

in the long run the billion dollar web disaster is not the problem..the problem is the train wreck coming to discretionary income to middle class workers. ObamaCare is only one singe facet. Don't forget the disastrous energy policies your obama wants to inflect on the economy.

 

[rudeguy]

I know 3 people on Obamacare, and 1 on the state ran exchange. They all have to pay, but its affordable and it there when they need it. Granted they weren't paying shit before, but they also didn't have coverage. I have yet to see one person, who has taken the time, to go through the process and get signed up complain about something legitimate. 95% of employers are using it as an excuse to shift the burden onto the employee but in reality ACA has saved them money by limiting inflation in health care.

Please provide proof of any of what you said being a fact.

When I went to sign up, my total out of pocket would have been around $16,000 per year for my son and I. I am a single dad, I'm not rich. I couldn't afford that.

And your friends that are getting cheap policies? That's because the rest of us are paying for them. Tell them I said you're welcome.

 

[rudeguy]

So you think it's a good thing that millions of people have been forced to work because this was the only way they were able to obtain employer-provided health insurance? And now, under Obamacare, they can get coverage on the exchanges, so they're free to do with their lives what they really want? And you claim this is a bad thing?

Spin, spin, spin, spin.

You mean instead of paying for their insurance, they are going to rely on me to pay for it for them. Why work if someone else will pay your bills?

 

[rudeguy]

One day you guys are going to start discussing the ACA honestly. Clearly not any time soon. But eventually. I have hope.

That is what I'm trying to do. I'm hoping someone can post non spin facts that show its not really that bad.

 

[Texashiker]

Obamacare...how much worse will it get?

People were probably asking the same question about the income tax shortly after it was passed.

Chances are your grandkids will wonder why we allowed the ACA to pass. Were we really that stupid to allow a new tax on future generations?

 

[rudeguy]

Honestly that's one of my biggest issues right there: forcing people by threat of penalty to enter personal data on a site with known security issues. Makes me wonder what will happen when that site suffers a breach. I can guarantee you there'd be a lawsuit (As if Americans wouldn't sue over something) I just wonder what the payout would be

The payout would be zero.

Again... I'm just looking for a reason why this wasn't addressed as a basic foundation of building the site. Tens of millions of people entering their most personal information? No need to secure that!

 

[TheSiege]

Please provide proof of any of what you said being a fact.

When I went to sign up, my total out of pocket would have been around $16,000 per year for my son and I. I am a single dad, I'm not rich. I couldn't afford that.

And your friends that are getting cheap policies? That's because the rest of us are paying for them. Tell them I said you're welcome.

Please provide proof of insurance plan quotes, I just looked up Grand Rapids Michigan and was quoted 300 per month for me and a 14 year old son.

Hell this one looks quite affordable