Obama with yet another racist Reverend!

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Crazy, but thats how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe its not to late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Lifes a bitter shame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Ive listened to preachers
Ive listened to fools
Ive watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeh-h

Heirs of a cold war
Thats what weve become
Inheriting troubles Im mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
Im living with something that just isnt fair

Mental wounds not healing
Who and whats to blame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Thats better, thanks Ozzy.

I liked it alot. He acually was able to just touch the tip of how I feel. Their is a change in the Wind blown down . You feel it numming your sensativity of being. Heart grows colder with ever passing blow , my sorry grows deeper with each passing woe . You look to the heavens. You see a great light as You run screaming in terror threw the night. Choices You was givin choices You made. You hide form the light for the choices You made, Nemesis

You feel crazy?!

 

[Winters]

To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Crazy, but thats how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe its not to late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Lifes a bitter shame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Ive listened to preachers
Ive listened to fools
Ive watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeh-h

Heirs of a cold war
Thats what weve become
Inheriting troubles Im mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
Im living with something that just isnt fair

Mental wounds not healing
Who and whats to blame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Thats better, thanks Ozzy.

I liked it alot. He acually was able to just touch the tip of how I feel. Their is a change in the Wind blown down . You feel it numming your sensativity of being. Heart grows colder with ever passing blow , my sorry grows deeper with each passing woe . You look to the heavens. You see a great light as You run screaming in terror threw the night. Choices You was givin choices You made. You hide form the light for the choices You made, Nemesis

You feel crazy?!

Its either that or strange you decide . It matters not to me what others believe I am a FREE spirit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

 

[Winters]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

WOW, you really dug deep in that big brain for that one. I bow to your unfathomable wisdom.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

WOW, you really dug deep in that big brain for that one. I bow to your unfathomable wisdom.

I dug as far as was needed. Rise a wiser person.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

Excellent post! A race dig was inappropriate on this great day in our history.

 

[Winters]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

After your very descriptive and thought out answer. I can only assume this is the part you are saying "no" to.

"Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us."

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Winters
-snip-

Shameful.

You seem bright. I agree and I think racial tensions have increased as a result of his final comment. I seek clarification for the following;

First you say:

All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism

Then you say:

Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

So, am I to believe that you feel as though Lowery's comment was an, "outright gesture of pointed racism?"

And I only followed this thread lightly, given that, I am having trouble thinking of what other things that people have tried to paint Lowery's comment as. Isn't it widely to be believed that the comment was meant as a joke? Whether you think it is a good joke or a bad joke is subject to your own personal views.

SO, in your own words, you either think it was a bad joke (which is fine) or you think it was an overt racist comment. Which is it? If you think it a racist comment, then you then have to believe that the man himself is racist. right?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

After your very descriptive and thought out answer. I can only assume this is the part you are saying "no" to.

"Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us."

"Shameful"---No

 

[Winters]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Winters
-snip-

Shameful.

You seem bright. I agree and I think racial tensions have increased as a result of his final comment. I seek clarification for the following;

First you say:

All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism

Then you say:

Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

So, am I to believe that you feel as though Lowery's comment was an, "outright gesture of pointed racism?"

And I only followed this thread lightly, given that, I am having trouble thinking of what other things that people have tried to paint Lowery's comment as. Isn't it widely to be believed that the comment was meant as a joke? Whether you think it is a good joke or a bad joke is subject to your own personal views.

SO, in your own words, you either you think it is a bad joke (which is fine) or you think it was an overt racist comment. Which is it? If you think it a racist comment, then you then have to believe that the man himself is racist. right?

I guess I did step on myself a little. Originally and deep down I feel he pulled the race card for a reason. This was a world stage, what better place to do it? But I keep trying to convince myself it was an inane attempt at humor. Humor I do not understand. I voted for Obama and feel now like I did the wrong thing. Lowery even says so. I am not right apparently.

Again, the point I really want to make is the silence of the media. Reverse the rolls and get reverse results. It's the double-standards in this country that are the most harmful for race relations in my opinion.

 

[Winters]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters
To those who would dismiss those comments as mere sarcasm, or some form of racial inside joke, you are missing the larger point that some are trying to make with this unfortunate end to what was an otherwise reasonably uplifting ceremony.

Lowery's comments were simply innapropriate - but that alone does not greatly concern me. The media's attempted dismissal of the comments and others like it over time is what causes continued alarm. When such dismissal happens for some, ("leaders" within minority communities etc.) and does not happen for others (whites) it inevitably increases tensions between whites and all others. Instead of seeing ourselves as Americans, we continue to insist we are white, black, "yellow" (I had not heard that term since the Nixon years!) and on and on...

This liberal favortism fosters and further increases continued animosity. I am white. I was happily listening to yesterday's inaugural ceremonies until it came to that final section of Lowery's benediction and I was stunned, then angered. All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism during an event that, at least in part, was a symbolic gesture of how far America had come beyond its troubled racist past.

More whites voted for Obama than all other races combined. And yet, this speech disregarded that fact, ending the entire occassion on a note imbedded in the past, that no longer applies to the present, nor the future of this nation - that is, unless such comments continue, and those within the mainstream media persist in defending them.

If this had been a white man, who had stated a similar rhyme about how blacks needed to finally see that white is right, there would have been a justifiable outcry of such scope the individual who spoke those words would be so greatly diminished as to never recover. It is a double-standard that simply cannot continue as it will only lead to further damaging the significant gains made in American race relations over generations.

If you attempt to make light of Lowery's comments, you make light of the true history of Black America. You make light of the history of the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement - a history that would not have been possible without the persistent and brave support of White America.

Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us. Lowery's remarks were in stark contrast to King's vision. Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

Shameful.

No

After your very descriptive and thought out answer. I can only assume this is the part you are saying "no" to.

"Martin Luther King spoke of a hopeful nation when he stated he looked to a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. In essence, an America that no longer saw color among us, but rather the potential in each of us."

"Shameful"---No

OK, fair enough. That was my opinion, and mine only. Not trying to force anyone to agree.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Winters
-snip-

Shameful.

You seem bright. I agree and I think racial tensions have increased as a result of his final comment. I seek clarification for the following;

First you say:

All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism

Then you say:

Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

So, am I to believe that you feel as though Lowery's comment was an, "outright gesture of pointed racism?"

And I only followed this thread lightly, given that, I am having trouble thinking of what other things that people have tried to paint Lowery's comment as. Isn't it widely to be believed that the comment was meant as a joke? Whether you think it is a good joke or a bad joke is subject to your own personal views.

SO, in your own words, you either you think it is a bad joke (which is fine) or you think it was an overt racist comment. Which is it? If you think it a racist comment, then you then have to believe that the man himself is racist. right?

I guess I did step on myself a little. Originally and deep down I feel he pulled the race card for a reason. This was a world stage, what better place to do it? But I keep trying to convince myself it was an inane attempt at humor. Humor I do not understand. I voted for Obama and feel now like I did the wrong thing. Lowery even says so. I am not right apparently.

Again, the point I really want to make is the silence of the media. Reverse the rolls and get reverse results. It's the double-standards in this country that are the most harmful for race relations in my opinion.

There's nothing for the Media to Say.

 

[Winters]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Winters
-snip-

Shameful.

You seem bright. I agree and I think racial tensions have increased as a result of his final comment. I seek clarification for the following;

First you say:

All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism

Then you say:

Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

So, am I to believe that you feel as though Lowery's comment was an, "outright gesture of pointed racism?"

And I only followed this thread lightly, given that, I am having trouble thinking of what other things that people have tried to paint Lowery's comment as. Isn't it widely to be believed that the comment was meant as a joke? Whether you think it is a good joke or a bad joke is subject to your own personal views.

SO, in your own words, you either you think it is a bad joke (which is fine) or you think it was an overt racist comment. Which is it? If you think it a racist comment, then you then have to believe that the man himself is racist. right?

I guess I did step on myself a little. Originally and deep down I feel he pulled the race card for a reason. This was a world stage, what better place to do it? But I keep trying to convince myself it was an inane attempt at humor. Humor I do not understand. I voted for Obama and feel now like I did the wrong thing. Lowery even says so. I am not right apparently.

Again, the point I really want to make is the silence of the media. Reverse the rolls and get reverse results. It's the double-standards in this country that are the most harmful for race relations in my opinion.

There's nothing for the Media to Say.

Same for Imus and Richards. They were expressing their views. (ones I disagree with) Nothing for the media to report though.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Winters
-snip-

Shameful.

You seem bright. I agree and I think racial tensions have increased as a result of his final comment. I seek clarification for the following;

First you say:

All other attempts to paint it as something else aside, it was either a classless attempt at poor humor, or an outright gesture of pointed racism

Then you say:

Lowery chose to utilize race as a means of dividing and demeaning on a day that was to be the culmination of actual unity.

So, am I to believe that you feel as though Lowery's comment was an, "outright gesture of pointed racism?"

And I only followed this thread lightly, given that, I am having trouble thinking of what other things that people have tried to paint Lowery's comment as. Isn't it widely to be believed that the comment was meant as a joke? Whether you think it is a good joke or a bad joke is subject to your own personal views.

SO, in your own words, you either you think it is a bad joke (which is fine) or you think it was an overt racist comment. Which is it? If you think it a racist comment, then you then have to believe that the man himself is racist. right?

I guess I did step on myself a little. Originally and deep down I feel he pulled the race card for a reason. This was a world stage, what better place to do it? But I keep trying to convince myself it was an inane attempt at humor. Humor I do not understand. I voted for Obama and feel now like I did the wrong thing. Lowery even says so. I am not right apparently.

Again, the point I really want to make is the silence of the media. Reverse the rolls and get reverse results. It's the double-standards in this country that are the most harmful for race relations in my opinion.

Bolded for agreement. I agree that if the tables were turned and if it was Pastor Warren that said those words we would see a bit more media coverage/outrage. After reading what has been discussed on these boards and on other boards it is obvious to me that ordinary joeblow citizen(s) got riled up over it.

I believe that based on everything else that BOTH Warren and Lowery said, that it was at the very least a lame joke, and at the very worst a backhanded slap on white America. But was it racist? I think not. IMHO, one would have to establish a record of racist comments and/or actions in order for me to label him/her racist. I don't see that with Lowery. Then again, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt....afterall, he has a reputation of being controversial.

If Lowery's comment somehow makes you second guess this Administration then I think you might be giving a little too much weight to what the man said. In its entirety, his message was clear. I think the message still stands regardless of how he chose to end his prayer.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Winters

Originally posted by: sandorski

No

WOW, you really dug deep in that big brain for that one. I bow to your unfathomable wisdom.

That's all you'll ever get out of sandorksi. He's Canadian though, so it's understandable. His brain is frozen. It would take an icepick to get anything useful from his cranium.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You and Glenn Beck have the biggest sticks up your asses ever - get over it - it was meant to be humorous.

Humor? In a benediction? Really?

Yeah, that's what I call reaching.

 

[CanOWorms]

Obama's inauguration was a disaster from the oath to these preachers involved (the Saddleback guy was another disaster). This minister's slurs against Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Whites should not be allowed to be casually shrugged off.

It's sickening to see how disgustingly low some people will go to excuse this. I am glad that Obama had a solid speech, but these other clowns almost ruined it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Obama's inauguration was a disaster from the oath to these preachers involved (the Saddleback guy was another disaster). This minister's slurs against Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Whites should not be allowed to be casually shrugged off.

It's sickening to see how disgustingly low some people will go to excuse this. I am glad that Obama had a solid speech, but these other clowns almost ruined it.

This coming from the bigg4est racist on the forum.

It should be shrugged off as it has no bearing on anything important.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I love how the right is all up in arms about pretty much anything and everything Obama does, and he has barely even started yet.

I figure anything that pisses off Bunmantom, OCguy, Cad, JS80, Winnar and the rest of the ultra right whiner crew is a good thing for America. Go Obama, keep it up. 8 more years of this will do the country a great service.

Can you guys do anything else here other than whine about Obama? I mean is that your sole purpose here now, just to complain for the next 8 years? GET OVER IT ALREADY

Has he done something yet?

Well, he has been in office one day, so no, not really... But things he has proposed over the past year have certainly pissed you all off, got you all worked up. Its good start...

I cant wait until he takes your job and gives it to a socialist gay black racist though =) Surely that a change that is coming soon.

Wow...looks like you're the one that's all worked up here dude. Hate much?

Reading comprehension... spend some time on it, you migth learn something that you previously missed.

 

[taltamir]

[sarcasm]Obama, our saviour, works in mysterious ways, not for us to understand.[/sarcasm]

With the way he flaunts racism he is fixing to be the LAST african american president for a long, long time.

The best quote is:
Comment: "It is sad to see people voting for obama for no reason other than him being black"
Response: "yes, because they are not racist like you"

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: taltamir
[sarcasm]Obama, our saviour, works in mysterious ways, not for us to understand.[/sarcasm]

With the way he flaunts racism he is fixing to be the LAST african american president for a long, long time.

The best quote is:
Comment: "It is sad to see people voting for obama for no reason other than him being black"
Response: "yes, because they are not racist like you"

No one has shown "Racism" yet. Fail.