*one* Clinton has that track record. As we have seen, she is not nearly as adept as Bubba was. Additionally, she has no ability to bring people together, is incredible divisive, and has had her own monumental failures.
She is an utter snake who cannot be trusted.
Historical performance is not indicative of future performance, especially when all evidence points to historical performance not being applicable to this person.
As others have said, we were already coming out of a very shallow recession, which had a lot to do with Fed policy, not Bush Sr. Additionally, it was the Republican Congress that really guided things.
She will ONLY win the popular vote if she wins by a huge margin in PA. Which she won't.
Obama is going to win 80% of the remaining Primaries. It is unlikely she will have the popular vote in the end. Shes down by over 300k when counting Florida. She needs to win PA by 600,000 votes to even have a shot of winning the popular vote. By all indication, she won't.
At best Clinton is going to net 25 delegates out of PA. Thats AT BEST. She only netted 10 out of Ohio, so it could be as few as that. Obama is going to run up the score in North Carolina. And he'll net more out of NC than she will out of PA. Hes also going to win 80% of the remaining contests. He'll have the most states, the popular vote, the overall delegate lead, and the elected delegate lead.
BeauJangles
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Morph is basically claiming that the Democratic Party doesn't know what's good for itself. That might be true, BUT we have a system in place for choosing a candidate and, in every conceivable metric, Obama is winning. If this trend continues (which it looks like it will) how can anyone justify making Hillary the nominee? She will not have the popular vote or the delegate vote.
Steady as she goes, fellas. These are the reasons why Obama should not stoop to her level and go negative. He can take the high road out of this and win. Once that part is over, he can move to the center and go after moderate Republicans.
And my post? Going to acknowledge the *fact* that Clinton didn't clean up anything. The light recession of the early 90's was a natural economic cycle precipitated by several events on the US west coast and in other areas. The budget constraints were only through cooperation with a pretty good Republican Congress. The near boom in inflation in the Mid 90s was only prevented by the Fed. The increasing tax revenues and economic boom were also preceded by LTCM and several other events such as the correlation events of 97, but also had nothing to do with Clinton as we had a natural progression in technology. The eventual bust was not his fault, nor Bush's, and 9/11 had nothing to do with Bush. The reactions after the fact, economically speaking, were proper in most respects, but again, had nothing to do with Bush.
Had Clinton been more aggressive with the Taliban it is debatable whether he could have prevented 9/11. Not to mention several other missed opportunities.
So what, exactly, did Clinton do that was so fucking great? What exactly did the queen fucktard bitch do other than attempt to propel herself further into the power spectrum while pandering to the healthcare industry whom she later took millions in contributions from?
What exactly did she do to prevent Iraq? Yet another big fuckup from the Clintons.
What exactly did she do to prevent lender abuses? Ohhh, she missed one of the most important bills, the 2005 bankruptcy bill. Isn't that fucking amazing!
Who voted NAY???? OBAMA!?!?!?
Yeah you fricking shill, your queen bitch skipped out while Obama voted for a bill obviously pandering to the corporates.
Yeah, quite a great fricking history you're dipshit candidate has compiled. She is outside of the Oval Office what Bubba did inside, except he was doing it to women, she's doing it to every corporation in this country and the US consumer and voter is getting the broompole for it. Perhaps if her pandering ass had been more of an American and not a Corporitan, this whole debt crisis could have been prevented.
Why didn't she lead there? Why did a *FIRST TERM* senator know more? Why was his judgement better?
Why is it that three of the biggest problems facing Americans, healthcare, Iraq and debt, are the ones she has been pandering for for years?
Please try again shillboy.
I don't really remember what Bush 1 left to be "cleaned up."
a recession that he had nothing to do with causing and Bill had nothing to do with fixing?
a recession that he had nothing to do with causing and Bill had nothing to do with fixing?
theeedude
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Riight, we keep hearing that it was the Republican Congress and not Clinton that balanced the budget, even though as soon as Clinton left, the budget went to crap inspite of a Republican Congress staying in place. I guess logic is not your strong suit.
Care to address the issues, or are you that good at busting a move?
Are we all going to be razzle dazzled by your mad dance floor skillz?
<queues up Young MC>
This here's a tale for all the fellas
Try to do what those ladies tell us
Get shot down cause you're over zealous
Play hard to get an females get jealous
Ok smartie, go to a party
Girls are stancin the crowd is showin body
A chick walks by you wish you could sex her
But you're standin on the wall like you was Poindexter
Next days function, high class luncheon
Food is served and you're stone cold munchin'
Music comes on, people start to dance
But then you ate so much you nearly split your pants
A girl starts walkin, guys start gawkin'
Sits down next to you and starts talkin'
Says she wanna dance cus she likes the groove
So come on fatso and just bust a move
You're on a mission and you're wishin'
someone could cure you're lonely condition
You're lookin for love in all the wrong places
Not fine girls just ugly faces
From frustration first inclination
Is to become a monk and leave the situation
But every dark tunnel has a lighter hope
So don't hang yourself with a celibate rope
New movie's showin... so you're goin
Could care less about the five you're blowin
Theatre gets dark just to start the show
When you spot a fine woman sittin in the front row
She's dressed in yellow, she says "Hello,
Come sit next to me you fine fellow"
You run over there without a second to loose
And what comes next, hey bust a move
If you want it baby you've got it (repeat)
Just bust a move
In the city ladies look pretty
Guys tell jokes so they can seem witty
Tell a funny joke just to get some play
Then you try to make a move and she says "no way"
Girls a fakin' ... goodness sakin'
They want a man who brings home the bacon
Got no money and you got no car
Then you got no woman and there you are
Some girls are sophistic... materialistic
Looking for a man makes them opportunistic
They're lyin on the beach perpetratin a tan
So that a brother with money can be their man
So on the beach you're strollin'... real high-rollin'
Everything you have is your's and not stolen
A girl runs up with somethin to prove
So don't just stand there, bust a move
(break down)
Your best friend Harry has a brother Larry
In five days from now he's gonna marry
He's hopin you can make it there if you can
'Cause in the ceremony you'll be the best man
You say "neato"... check your libido
And roll to the church in your new tuxedo
The bride walks down just to start the wedding
And there's one more girl you won't be getting
So you start thinkin, then you start blinkin
A bride maid looks and thinks that you're winkin
She thinks you're kinda cute so she winks back
And now you're feelin really fine cus the girl is stacked
Reception's jumpin, bass is pumpin
Look at the girl and your heart starts thumpin
Says she wants to dance to a different groove
Now you know what to do g, bust a move
From Loki8481-
I'd take entirely the opposite POV- it shows just what a joke open primaries really are, considering that lots of Repubs apparently did what Rush told 'em to do, voted for Hillary in the Dem primary... skewing the results in her favor...
Which, of course, can't happen in a caucus...
Repubs are dying to run against Hillary- she's the only one of the two Dem contenders that they even have a chance of beating. She and McCain are close enough together that they can obfuscate on the issues, depend on the 15+ years of Hillary-hate they've created to turn the election into a straight up popularity contest.
Obama offers a much clearer choice, and Repubs dare not try the popularity contest method- McCain can't win that battle... he doesn't have the right message for it... not against Obama.
I'd take entirely the opposite POV- it shows just what a joke open primaries really are, considering that lots of Repubs apparently did what Rush told 'em to do, voted for Hillary in the Dem primary... skewing the results in her favor...
Which, of course, can't happen in a caucus...
Repubs are dying to run against Hillary- she's the only one of the two Dem contenders that they even have a chance of beating. She and McCain are close enough together that they can obfuscate on the issues, depend on the 15+ years of Hillary-hate they've created to turn the election into a straight up popularity contest.
Obama offers a much clearer choice, and Repubs dare not try the popularity contest method- McCain can't win that battle... he doesn't have the right message for it... not against Obama.
most republicans who voted across party lines voted for obama, so your entire premise is pretty much off.
lopri
Elite Member
- Jul 27, 2002
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Yup. And you can see the same trend in this very forum as well. That's my personal issue with Obama candidacy. It seems like a lot of repubs are voting across the line for Obama, not necessarily because they know him or like him, but because they hate Hillary. And I have a serious doubt such votes will be carried over to the general election.
From Loki8481-
Yeh, riiight... and we know this to be true how? Exit polls, or ouija board? Given the number of Repubs voting in the Dem primary, it seems to me that they'd have made Obama a clear winner if that were the case... particularly given Obama's support from real Dems in the Caucus...
Repubs are great followers, so it seems to me that they'd follow the advice of their chief pundit in charge, the great Limbaugh...
Or are you claiming that Repubs would rather run against Obama? Why? Some sort of death wish?
Yeh, riiight... and we know this to be true how? Exit polls, or ouija board? Given the number of Repubs voting in the Dem primary, it seems to me that they'd have made Obama a clear winner if that were the case... particularly given Obama's support from real Dems in the Caucus...
Repubs are great followers, so it seems to me that they'd follow the advice of their chief pundit in charge, the great Limbaugh...
Or are you claiming that Repubs would rather run against Obama? Why? Some sort of death wish?
according to Texas exit polling, 10% of votes cast in the democratic primary were from republicans.
of that 10%, 53% voted for Obama and 46% for Hillary.
your claim that there's some vast republican conspiracy propping Hillary up is bunk. everyone knows how useless national polling is at this stage of the game, before the real campaign has even begun, Republicans especially... this far in advance of the republican primary, Rudy was going to sweep the board.
of course you can't comment on whether that ratio would have been greater had Limbaugh not made his callout
Anybody who cites exit polls at this juncture in history is truly desperate, particularly wrt Repubs voting in the Dem primary in Texas...
The Repub poll respondents were basically lying when they voted, and there's no reason to think they'd quit so soon afterward...
Repubs have a history of these shenanigans in open primaries- voting for the weakest of the Dem hopefuls, for the one they'd rather run against, and this cycle that'd be Hillary when matched against McCain...
The Repub poll respondents were basically lying when they voted, and there's no reason to think they'd quit so soon afterward...
Repubs have a history of these shenanigans in open primaries- voting for the weakest of the Dem hopefuls, for the one they'd rather run against, and this cycle that'd be Hillary when matched against McCain...
MovingTarget
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Hmmm... To start off I should say that I don't really have a dog in the fight for the whole Clinton-Obama thing. However, maybe one of you Texans can tell me, why the "Texas two step"? What is the advantage of having both a caucas and a primary? Furthermore, how is such a system financed? By the state or the party?
so, numbers vs made up crap and you're going to go with the made up crap?
why have proof when you've got hope, right?
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