Probably a world war. How is ignoring the oil that is out there helping the problem? What is Obama's plan? We are going to run our cars on unicorn farts? Electric? Obama is against nuclear and against coal. So now what? All the liberals I know drive and consume just as much oil as anyone else, so stop being morons and think we can just stop.
Some of us do.. I'm in Florida and I am in favor of it..
Saying you are against oil drilling and then not curbing your use of oil just shows everyone you are an idiot. Just like all the anti-BP protests down here that everyone DROVE to.
The people that don't want drilling can stop using oil.
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Fern
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The really dumb thing in all of this that seems to have gone unnoticed is the loss of potential billions in revenue for the government.
We're talking hundreds of billions in leasing fees and royalties.
On the one hand to whine about our deficit and claim we need to raise taxes during this bad economy, then at the same time forgo huge revenues from developing and drilling (not to mention the additional jobs and potential national security concerns) is BS.
With all this talk of wealth concentration by the Left I think the tax increase is ideologically motivated, and talk of the deficit is just cover.
Drill the dang oil and get the revenues.
The gov was supposed to investigating what happened at teh BP platform. I've heard nothing. Get on with it and fix the problem and get back to drilling.
Fern
We're talking hundreds of billions in leasing fees and royalties.
On the one hand to whine about our deficit and claim we need to raise taxes during this bad economy, then at the same time forgo huge revenues from developing and drilling (not to mention the additional jobs and potential national security concerns) is BS.
With all this talk of wealth concentration by the Left I think the tax increase is ideologically motivated, and talk of the deficit is just cover.
Drill the dang oil and get the revenues.
The gov was supposed to investigating what happened at teh BP platform. I've heard nothing. Get on with it and fix the problem and get back to drilling.
Fern
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The oil will be there for drilling later. Is there an oil shortage or is the current high price the result of speculation?
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Maybe. I suspect that while the left hand is embracing nuclear power, the other left hand is making sure that damned few if any nuclear power plants actually get built and commissioned. Either way, that's a cap and tax bill; even if those two reactors get built, the empowerment of government, with the subsequent to pick and choose winners and losers among regions, states, industries and even companies (by the setting of caps) will do far more economic damage than the nuclear reactors will offset.
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hey guys.....lets investigate and find out what caused/allowed the BP spill to happen and fix it.
While we're at it, we can use some of those billions in additional revenue to plan and fund a response team/force for the next time a tanker runs grounds or another spill happens.
Fern
Or lets put millions of gallons of oil into oil tankers and move it 10,000 miles from the opposite side of the world. Thats COMPLETELY safe!
As if that's even relevant to the topic at hand. Tankers will be moving oil all over the world, anyway- there are probably hundreds under way as I type...
If it bothers your conscience, you could move closer to the source, someplace like KSA, Nigeria, Venezuela... I hear it's nice there... Alaska's north slope is wonderful, too...
Alternatively, we could just suck all of ours out of the ground, blow it out our tailpipes & wait for Jesus... yeh, that's the answer. Damned kids will probably be commie bastards anyway- screw 'em. Make sure they got nowhere to go but offshore to get their oil, and their jobs, too...
Alternatively, if you have such a problem with oil you could stop using it? Or use significantly less than people who WANT to use oil. Oil would last twice as long if all you flaming libtard anti-oilers would stop using it.
Until then we at least have more good jobs here?
All that other bullshit aside of course, we haven't yet begun to explore our own reserves except in a few places. The rest is just best guess because no one in their right mind will spend the money to research how much oil might be in a place that they can't drill.
I completely agree that we need to move away from oil as quickly as we feasibly can but in the meantime we are going to need OIL. We can't get off of "foreign" oil but our two largest suppliers are Canada and Mexico and they happen to be friendly to us. We CAN however get off of ME oil if we had a good policy of going after our own.
How do you know I am not curbing my use of oil. I fill up my gas tank once a month. How about you?
Do you prefer Americans profit from that (increased demand in labor which is profitable) or do you prefer SA profits from it?
Those are the options bud.
Oh yeah, add billions a year to the Fed coffers and a few hundred mil a year to the state coffers from royalties and lease payments..... or we can just send the money to SA.
As far as the pollution issue goes, who do you trust more, our government or the SA government? If the answer is the former, are you really suggesting we "offshore" our pollution?
At the end of the day, we are going to use the exact same amount of oil. The only thing up for discussion is who gets paid for it.
Actually, they all move to very precise locations because they are so large they require a special port to offload the oil.
For instance, the United States of America has a single port that can offload Ultra Large Crude Carriers (ULCC) and Very Large Crude Carriers (VLCC). The ULCCs are larger than Nimitz Class aircraft carriers and can carry 3M+ barrels of oil, most of the oil that is "shipped" to the US comes by insanely large tankers.
Guess where that single port is?
Its actually not that hard.
1. The "best of the best" on a blowout team that is ready to go in 24 hours. They work for Uncle Sugar but are funded by the oil companies.
2. Pre-engineered devices like the last "top hat" device that stemmed the flow of oil, sponsored in their entirety by the oil companies. The should also have dedicated manpower ready to go when needed.
3. Deepwater rigs have rotating inspectors (7 and 7 or 14 and 14) that have the authority to shut down unsafe operations.
Not one dime should come out of the taxpayers pocket for this. 99% of the problems have now been mitigated, the other 1% we just have to accept or we can just go back to caveman style. Hell, as it stands now drilling off the US coast in the Gulf is insanely safe. We have thousands upon thousands of wells out there and how many catastrophic failures? What else has that success rate?
My 2006 Scion xB gets 27mpg around town, and has 24K miles on it. I bought it new. That's less than half of what most suburban wingnut mowrons drive on an annual basis, at 50% better gas mileage.
You were saying?
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Get out, logic has no place in an emotionally charged thread based on talking points.
Agree with this 100%. We need the revenue from this, NOW.TRENDING THREADS
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