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Obama Will Endorse U.N. Gay Rights Declaration

jpeyton

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Gay rights is the 21st century's first major human rights battle. Like the huge leaps our society took in the 20th century with women's rights and race relations, I think the acceptance of homosexuality on a social, political and legal level is the next big step. Hopefully 50 years from now, we'll wonder why people even opposed things like gay marriage and adoption in the first place.

Those of you who oppose this move by Obama should try moving to an Islamic nation; they love homophobia, and are opposed to this declaration.

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By MATTHEW LEE

WASHINGTON ? The Obama administration will endorse a U.N. declaration calling for the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality that then-President George W. Bush had refused to sign, The Associated Press has learned.

U.S. officials said Tuesday they had notified the declaration's French sponsors that the administration wants to be added as a supporter. The Bush administration was criticized in December when it was the only western government that refused to sign on.

The move was made after an interagency review of the Bush administration's position on the nonbinding document, which was signed by all 27 European Union members as well as Japan, Australia, Mexico and three dozen other countries, the officials said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Congress was still being notified of the decision. They said the administration had decided to sign the declaration to demonstrate that the United States supports human rights for all.

"The United States is an outspoken defender of human rights and critic of human rights abuses around the world," said one official.

"As such, we join with the other supporters of this statement and we will continue to remind countries of the importance of respecting the human rights of all people in all appropriate international fora," the official said.

The official added that the United States was concerned about "violence and human rights abuses against gay, lesbian, transsexual and bisexual individuals" and was also "troubled by the criminalization of sexual orientation in many countries."

"In the words of the United States Supreme Court, the right to be free from criminalization on the basis of sexual orientation 'has been accepted as an integral part of human freedom'," the official said.

Gay rights and other groups had criticized the Bush administration when it refused to sign the declaration when it was presented at the United Nations on Dec. 19. U.S. officials said then that the U.S. opposed discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation but that parts of the declaration raised legal questions that needed further review.

According to negotiators, the Bush team had concerns that those parts could commit the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In some states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military.

It was not immediately clear on Tuesday how the Obama administration had come to a different conclusion.

When it was voted on in December, 66 of the U.N.'s 192 member countries signed the declaration ? which backers called a historic step to push the General Assembly to deal more forthrightly with anti-gay discrimination.

But 70 U.N. members outlaw homosexuality ? and in several, homosexual acts can be punished by execution. More than 50 nations, including members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, opposed the declaration.

Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest. The declaration was also opposed by the Vatican.
 
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous
 
I wouldn't trade one UN non-binding declaration for the three quarters used roll of toilet paper in my bathroom.
 
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:
 
The news story I heard about this said the USA (under Bush) was the ONLY major Western power that did not support this declaration.
 
Originally posted by: Sinsear
:thumbsdown:

Let me edit that I'm on the fence here. I firmly believe in human rights for all, but I don't approve of homosexual behavior. I'd rather err on the side of human rights though and will always vote in that direction.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: K1052
I wouldn't trade one UN non-binding declaration for the three quarters used roll of toilet paper in my bathroom.

good for you.

I guess you enjoy totally empty gestures that won't change a single thing.

When Obama does something of substance in a positive manner on this issue then I'll be more interested.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

I noticed that too! Hmmm...

But on topic, I think this is a great first start. No country should criminalize sexuality or sexual orientation. I think picking and choosing who deserves (or doesn't deserve) certain human rights is a short walk down a dark path.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

And how democrats have similar talking points to the previous Soviet Union. :laugh:

And we all know how republicans favor the death penalty for homosexual acts.

You guys need to get a sense of perspective.
 
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

And how democrats have similar talking points to the previous Soviet Union. :laugh:

And we all know how republicans favor the death penalty for homosexual acts.

You guys need to get a sense of perspective.

Care to share those similarities and how terrible they are in comparison to denying human rights due to religious fanatic reasons?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

I noticed that too! Hmmm...

But on topic, I think this is a great first start. No country should criminalize sexuality or sexual orientation. I think picking and choosing who deserves (or doesn't deserve) certain human rights is a short walk down a dark path.


:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

And how democrats have similar talking points to the previous Soviet Union. :laugh:

And we all know how republicans favor the death penalty for homosexual acts.

You guys need to get a sense of perspective.

Care to share those similarities and how terrible they are in comparison to denying human rights due to religious fanatic reasons?

Sure, if you want. My real point was to illustrate that similarities in talking points don't indicate unity between two groups. Republicans, because they oppose gay marriage, aren't on the same level as Muslims, because Republicans aren't in favor of executing them. Similarly, Democrats, just because they prefer government ownership of some things, aren't on the same level of socialism as the former Soviet Union.

The posters here aren't stupid. They know this is obvious. But they are childish.

It was an analogy.
 
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous
Using this logic, what Josef Fritzl did should be legal too. Since his actions, you know, didnt affect me or you...


This is bullshit legislation proposal. As pale said, UN declarations are paper tanks and unenforceable. If he wants to do it for USA, fine. But a worldwide ban on homosexuality? Fuck that. It will never fly.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

I noticed that too! Hmmm...

But on topic, I think this is a great first start. No country should criminalize sexuality or sexual orientation. I think picking and choosing who deserves (or doesn't deserve) certain human rights is a short walk down a dark path.

No country should tell another country what they can and cant do.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Sawyer
Good, people needs basic human rights. Two gay people marrying in now way affects me or is any of my business.

"Some Islamic countries said at the time that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest."

lol that is so ridiculous

Funny how republicans have the same talking points as some Islamic countries. :laugh:

And how democrats have similar talking points to the previous Soviet Union. :laugh:

And we all know how republicans favor the death penalty for homosexual acts.

You guys need to get a sense of perspective.

Care to share those similarities and how terrible they are in comparison to denying human rights due to religious fanatic reasons?

What human rights are gays in the US denied?
 
The primitive backward and bigoted idiocy of thousands of years is slowly dying in the light of science and reason.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The primitive backward and bigoted idiocy of thousands of years is slowly dying in the light of science and reason.

Is it going to take on incest next? What about Polygamy? beastiality?
 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The primitive backward and bigoted idiocy of thousands of years is slowly dying in the light of science and reason.

Is it going to take on incest next? What about Polygamy? beastiality?

Religion hopefully.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse
:thumbsup:

Too bad that the UN's declarations are useless piles of non-binding unenforceable dogshit...

<snicker>

token gesture

now stop funding the U.N. and I'll be happy.
 
The GOP's bigotry and our children's disgust for their intolerance is what is going to force the GOP into a minority party status for generations to come, unless they somehow change their ways.
 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The primitive backward and bigoted idiocy of thousands of years is slowly dying in the light of science and reason.

Is it going to take on incest next? What about Polygamy? beastiality?

It should. All should be legal.
 
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