Obama was Unprepared? How Can Anyone Prepare to Debate a Shape-shifter?

[bradley]

How do you deal with a shapeshifter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Z44BIDPPc&feature=relmfu

It's a good thing Governor Romney is just an android I guess

Romney actually reminds me more of a bobblehead sports figurine.

 

[dank69]

No.

Look, as I posted previously all you are doing is arguing with Romney about what his target is. That's a fool's errand.

I just checked his website and I couldn't find where he specified what his target is. Whatever he says it is, whether it's revenue neutral or some reduction, it will be left up to Congress to iron out. Then it will be submitted to the CBO for scoring. If the CBO estimates it at something other than the target amount, it will be adjusted by Congress. That's how it has always worked.

To pick one part of a comprehensive tax plan and argue about it is stupid. In terms of effect on the budget you need to view the thing in its entirety.

Fern

You are being very dense. From Mitt's own website:

Mitt's Plan

Reducing and stabilizing federal spending is essential, but breathing life into the present anemic recovery will also require fixing the nation’s tax code to focus on jobs and growth. To repair the nation’s tax code, marginal rates must be brought down to stimulate entrepreneurship, job creation, and investment, while still raising the revenue needed to fund a smaller, smarter, simpler government. The principle of fairness must be preserved in federal tax and spending policy.

Individual Taxes​

America’s individual tax code applies relatively high marginal tax rates on a narrow tax base. Those high rates discourage work and entrepreneurship, as well as savings and investment. With 54 percent of private sector workers employed outside of corporations, individual rates also define the incentives for job-creating businesses. Lower marginal tax rates secure for all Americans the economic gains from tax reform.

• Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
• Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate the Death Tax
• Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)

Corporate Taxes​

The U.S. economy’s 35 percent corporate tax rate is among the highest in the industrial world, reducing the ability of our nation’s businesses to compete in the global economy and to invest and create jobs at home. By limiting investment and growth, the high rate of corporate tax also hurts U.S. wages.

• Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
• Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
• Switch to a territorial tax system
• Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)

The items listed in bold above are estimated to reduce revenue by $480B/yr. Saying to Mitt, "your tax cuts start by reducing revenue by $5T, you can't make that up by closing loopholes" is not a lie or a fabrication. It is basic math. Mitt flat out lied about this point because he has no answer for it and the average American is too stupid to figure it out.

Maybe you think that if we just lower taxes some more, the job creators will start creating jobs this time?

 

[EagleKeeper]

You are being very dense. From Mitt's own website:The items listed in bold above are estimated to reduce revenue by $480B/yr. Saying to Mitt, "your tax cuts start by reducing revenue by $5T, you can't make that up by closing loopholes" is not a lie or a fabrication. It is basic math. Mitt flat out lied about this point because he has no answer for it and the average American is too stupid to figure it out.

Maybe you think that if we just lower taxes some more, the job creators will start creating jobs this time?

The job creators have to have some confidence in the DC crowd before expanding. Lowering taxes may help, but stability and direction are critical even more.

If you are going to invest and knowing that the government is itching to pull the rug from under the expansion, why take the chance?

Obama and the government is not installing confidence in the business community.

With sequestration coming around the corner, anyone expanding their government workforce is taking a blind faith gamble.

 

[IGBT]

the obama that showed up for the debate is the real obama minus a teleprompter and a tightly controlled media environment and fawning willing accomplices. He wasn't able to pick and choose questions from pre arranged reporters in staged press conferences. He's not the wizard of smart like so many of you believe. He struggles to be average and by his own admission he is lazy. We saw the real obama. And realize it or not so did you.

 

[squirrel dog]

the obama that showed up for the debate is the real obama minus a TelePrompter and a tightly controlled media environment and fawning willing accomplices. He wasn't able to pick and choose questions from pre arranged reporters in staged press conferences. He's not the wizard of smart like so many of you believe. He struggles to be average and by his own admission he is lazy. We saw the real obama. And realize it or not so did you.

plus he really should have left his cue cards or ipad or whatever at home.His looking down for 1.5 hours made him look unprepared.What , he cannot think with out a TelePrompter,what is he a puppet ?

 

[monovillage]

When's the last time anyone saw Obama face harsh questions ? He was so out of practice from an ass kissing media he was shocked! Shocked, that anyone would disagree with him

In the hours after the Republican challenger Mitt Romney embarrassed the incumbent in their first meeting, Obama loyalists expressed puzzlement that the incumbent had done badly. But Obama has only himself to blame, because he set himself up for Wednesday’s emperor-has-no-clothes moment. For the past four years, he has worked assiduously to avoid being questioned, maintaining a regal detachment from the media and other sources of dissent and skeptical inquiry.

Obama has set a modern record for refusal to be quizzed by the media, taking questions from reporters far less often than Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and even George W. Bush. Though his opponent in 2008 promised to take questions from lawmakers like the British prime minister does, Obama has shied from mixing it up with members of Congress, too. And, especially since Rahm Emanuel’s departure, Obama is surrounded by a large number of yes men who aren’t likely to get in his face.

This insularity led directly to the Denver debacle: Obama was out of practice and unprepared to be challenged. The White House had supposed that Obama’s forays into social media — town hall meetings with YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and the like — would replace traditional presidential communication. By relying on such venues, Obama’s argument skills atrophied, and he was ill-equipped to engage in old-fashioned give and take.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...688c8a-0e78-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

You are being very dense. From Mitt's own website:The items listed in bold above are estimated to reduce revenue by $480B/yr. Saying to Mitt, "your tax cuts start by reducing revenue by $5T, you can't make that up by closing loopholes" is not a lie or a fabrication. It is basic math. Mitt flat out lied about this point because he has no answer for it and the average American is too stupid to figure it out.

Maybe you think that if we just lower taxes some more, the job creators will start creating jobs this time?

Exactly. It's pathetic to see a guy who actually is a tax accountant be so willingly stupid and ignorant of basic arithmetic and math.

Nobody is addressing the proposed 2T increase in defense spending either, which the Pentagon has NOT asked for. There is absolutely NO WAY to pay for that and there is ZERO dispute on this.

 

[spidey07]

When you cut taxes revenue increases. That's how you pay for it.

Romneys plan would cause our economy to skyrocket. Unlike Obama who has his boot on the necks of business.

 

[shortylickens]

It really doesn't freakin matter.
His loyal fans will vote for him regardless of one debate.
The Romney lovers dont care, this just gives them more shit to talk about. But even if he had done poorly they'd still vote for him, they wouldnt have as many good things to say, thats all.

The people still on the fence will probably wait for all the debates before making a decision.


http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I don't think undecideds will really sway this election. Not too many out there this time around. It's gonna be all about GOTV.

 

[WackyDan]

That's saying a lot more about you than u think...

What about it isn't true? That is exactly what happened.

 

[spidey07]

I don't think undecideds will really sway this election. Not too many out there this time around. It's gonna be all about GOTV.

Yes it is. 2010 ring a bell? Kicking the halftican out of the white house will be historic. I can not wait till November. It will be glorious.

It will be historic.

 

[First]

Yes it is. 2010 ring a bell? Kicking the halftican out of the white house will be historic. I can not wait till November. It will be glorious.

It will be historic.

Lol. It's going to be great taking $500 from your bitch ass.

 

[Sephire]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...october-04-2012/chris-matthews--impotent-rage

 

[boomerang]

Was it unfair that Obama wasn't able to use his Teleprompter?

The dumbing down of the nation is right on track.

 

[shortylickens]

Was it unfair that Obama wasn't able to use his Teleprompter?

The dumbing down of the nation is right on track.

Wow, I sincerely hope that was just a giant joke with like 40 people getting in on it.

Also, the bleached tomboy was kinda cute.

 

[Agent11]

When you cut taxes revenue increases. That's how you pay for it.

Romneys plan would cause our economy to skyrocket. Unlike Obama who has his boot on the necks of business.

Republicans keep saying that, but how then do you explain the Bush economic collapse?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Republicans keep saying that, but how then do you explain the Bush economic collapse?

Bush was belted by the stock market bubble
then the 9/11 hits
then the housing bubble.

The economy did decent from about 2002-2007.

It did not take Bush 4 yours to obtain a turn around economy from what Clinton dumped on him. Obama has not really obtained a turn around yet and what has happened has come at a great economic cost to our debt.

 

[drebo]

I find it unlikely that Obama will lose the election. 47+% of voters are reliant on him being in office. They aren't going to vote against their meal ticket.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Bush was belted by the stock market bubble
then the 9/11 hits
then the housing bubble.

The economy did decent from about 2002-2007.

It did not take Bush 4 yours to obtain a turn around economy from what Clinton dumped on him. Obama has not really obtained a turn around yet and what has happened has come at a great economic cost to our debt.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

There is ZERO tangible evidence that supply side economics has ever worked in this country. There is MASSIVE evidence that it has done nothing but explode our deficits and increase income inequality.

Republican economic policies have failed in the last few decades. If not for the Democratic party, this country would be in far worse shape than it is. There is only one remotely fiscally responsible party left in Washington, and it's the Democrats. The party that actually believes in basic math, arithmetic, and science.

But go ahead and continue to believe in your voodoo economics, creationism, and whatever other made up gospel exists on the bullshit mountain that conservatives live on. Your party is dying and fast losing relevance on the national stage.

 

[spidey07]

Lol. You forget the historic election of 2010 I see. Talk about living in alternate reality.

This failed president and complete failure of democrat policy was on full display in the debate.