Obama wants community college to be free "for those willing to work for it"

[Doc Savage Fan]

Don't forget all the new jobs created overseeing who is eligible for free college, creating and helping them fill out the paperwork, and administrating the agency that will grow out of this.

Damn...I think we're onto something here! lol

 

[ivwshane]

My mistake.


I haven't seen anyone who opposes this come up with anything other than nonsense.

In no way was I worried that I was included in your little jab...and I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion with your obviously superior reading skills. <-- this is a jab

Did you perceive that I was jabbing at you (when I was not) by merely making a point that some of those who oppose the program are not stupid and have legitimate concerns? That kind of perception would explain a combative reaction to my comment. If this is the case, let me assure you that I was merely making a point...not making a personal attack. <-- sincere



And lastly, I never said that having a concern about a program means they oppose it. Can you explain as I'm very curious as to how someone with superior reading skills arrives at such a blatantly false conclusion that's not even remotely close to what I actually wrote? <-- this is another jab

 

[ivwshane]

The government can't help everyone in a free country. Only you know whats best for you. I don't get it. The community colleges have been there the whole time and don't cost a whole lot. It is indeed a mistake to attend a for-profit online school and they should be shut down. Corinthian colleges lost their federal accreditation and so they can no longer receive federal money. Its being taken care of to my knowledge on a case by case basis but its taking time.

You can lead a horse to water and all that. Ironically the same thing you guys are saying about me.

No you can't help everyone in a free country but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. This program doesn't force anyone to do anything they don't want to do but it does give people who want to do something but can't a chance.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

My mistake.


I haven't seen anyone who opposes this come up with anything other than nonsense.

No problem.

 

[BoberFett]

No you can't help everyone in a free country but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. This program doesn't force anyone to do anything they don't want to do but it does give people who want to do something but can't a chance.

Please tell me what the statistics are on the number of people who want to go to community college but can't afford it.

 

[ivwshane]

Please tell me what the statistics are on the number of people who want to go to community college but can't afford it.

I'm only aware of one student who wants to go but can't afford it. How does that change anything? If these students don't exist then no money will be used.

 

[michal1980]

My mistake.


I haven't seen anyone who opposes this come up with anything other than nonsense.

I haven't seen anyone with a logical reason that can logically justify this hand out.

 

[ivwshane]

I haven't seen anyone with a logical reason that can logically justify this hand out.

That's because you are uneducated

 

[Subyman]

I'm only aware of one student who wants to go but can't afford it. How does that change anything? If these students don't exist then no money will be used.

Oh yes it will. The person just won't work while attending school. I believe the article said if you qualify for ADA subsidizes then you qualify for this program or if your family makes 150% of the poverty line, so right at $30k household for a two parent one child family. A lot of students in my area worked a job to pay tuition. With this program they won't have to.

 

[Fern]

Can you explain the point then? If high school is free and effective, but not valued, who gives a shit?

To the point I was attempting to make with my story - I think it a good idea that the students have some skin in the game.
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I'm a bit reluctant to accept the claim that money is what's holding people back from attending CC. It's less than $3k for an entire year in many places. If a person can't work enough to make the $3k to pay for CC there's something else that is the real problem preventing them from going. And whatever that problem may be I suspect that a $3k grant won't solve it in most cases.

I also think a 2.0 is too low a requirement.

I prefer more focus on grants to trade school type education. Mechanics, electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs, carpentry and other construction jobs etc. are all things that can't be outsourced to foreign countries and pay well. You get even get wealthy if you're good at it. The elderly man I mentioned in my first post that was Chairman of the Board never went to college.

I tend to think this idea of Obama won't go anywhere due to our current financial condition. But in any case, it needs much more detail because it could be a good thing, or a very bad thing.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

I was at a business dinner with the Chairman of the Board of a large Fortune 100 company. He was pretty old. He had started the company (construction industry) and build it up over many years.

They were late with my food and the manager brought over a free drink. Well, we discussed the biz at hand then got up to leave and he noticed I hadn't drank the free drink. He looked at me said he learned long ago that when you give someone something for free they don't value it. After thinking about it for a bit I tended to agree. If had to pay for that drink I wouldn't have left it.

With scholarships and grants you have to work for them.

Fern

You do have to work a bit. You have to maintain a 2.0 GPA - although Dr. Pizza's idea of a 2.5 GPA minimum probably makes more sense in return for free tuition - and do just a bit of community service.

What does community service have anything do with it? Both my brother and I worked during college in jobs relevant to our majors; if anything you should be mandating that coop or some sort of work-experience is needed.

About the last thing this country needs is more kids going to college for unemployable degrees while dicking around with "save the world" type of extracurricular activities. China's army of engineering grads vs our social justice and minor in women studies "graduates"

Plenty of employable degrees in community colleges, including construction, nursing, the skilled trades, IT . . .

Make it a 2.5 gpa, and I'm on board. If you want a 2.0 gpa, you can pay for it yourself.

Does sound better. If I'm paying, I want a bit more than a 2.0.

Of course, the Chinese will be paying so I guess they get to set it . . .

 

[Subyman]

I'm wondering if this idea will even see the light of day. It could potentially cut into the number of freshman and sophomores attending a 4-year university as families choose this option over the traditional student loan for the first two years. I wouldn't be surprised if universities push back.

 

[Subyman]

Plenty of employable degrees in community colleges, including construction, nursing, the skilled trades, IT . . .

That is true. I've softened my previous opinion stated in this thread. I remember things like mining safety, semi-truck training, cosmetology, LPN, and such that are decent careers to get into that require only a two year degree or a certification.

 

[werepossum]

I'm wondering if this idea will even see the light of day. It could potentially cut into the number of freshman and sophomores attending a 4-year university as families choose this option over the traditional student loan for the first two years. I wouldn't be surprised if universities push back.

It's already a reality in Tennessee. It's called "Tennessee Promise" and that's what gave Obama the idea - and it was implemented by a Republican governor and one of the most solidly Republican state legislatures in the country.

Come on, folks, these are some of the degrees we've been saying people should be getting. Sure, you CAN use it as a cheaper way to get a four year degree (depending on one's major and courses taken) but it also offers training in the skilled trades (often operated and taught by the local trade unions) as well as nursing, technology, etc. And if someone is bound and determined to get a degree in women's studies or art appreciation or telephone sterilizing, at least it's on the cheap, paid up front (admittedly with borrowed money), and over in two years. Isn't that better than the same person getting an expensive four year degree then taking some government drudge job so that Obama can pay for a 100K degree with borrowed money?

 

[werepossum]

That is true. I've softened my previous opinion stated in this thread. I remember things like mining safety, semi-truck training, cosmetology, LPN, and such that are decent careers to get into that require only a two year degree or a certification.

lol We crossed posts.

 

[Zorkorist]

President Obama just can't stop socializing things.

Maybe I'll be able to join his Golf Club soon.

-John

 

[brycejones]

President Obama just can't stop socializing things.

Maybe I'll be able to join his Golf Club soon.

-John

You can't stop posting drivel......

 

[Zorkorist]

You can't stop attacking.

Maybe you should try and tolerate people with different ideals or ideas?

-John

 

[shortylickens]

Maybe he should put some more funding into K-12 first.

 

[OverVolt]

You can't stop posting drivel......

To be honest it was kinda funny

 

[Subyman]

Maybe he should put some more funding into K-12 first.

No way. All that happens with new K-12 money is that it goes straight into the salaries of teachers already working. So instead of making $60K, they make $61K. Then in a few years we ask ourselves again, why are our kids behind? More money! Then they make $62K... and on and on.

The fatass superintendent in my area makes $150k a year for doing practically nothing.

 

[OverVolt]

No way. All that happens with new K-12 money is that it goes straight into the salaries of teachers already working. So instead of making $60K, they make $61K. Then in a few years we ask ourselves again, why are our kids behind? More money! Then they make $62K... and on and on.

The fatass superintendent in my area makes $150k a year for doing practically nothing.

So just dump the problem on community colleges and get the government all up in their business? Yea great then we'll just have zero schools that function properly. Other than private schools for the rich.

 

[brycejones]

You can't stop attacking.

Maybe you should try and tolerate people with different ideals or ideas?

-John

Sorry but yelling socialism isn't having a different ideal or idea its taking a simple minded approach to a complex issue. Your post implies a distinct lack of thinking. Also did you know this follows a similar program that was instituted in Tennessee by a GOP led state government? Are they a bunch of socialists as well?

 

[Zorkorist]

I admit to being a bit blinded by Obama's care-free spending, huge deficits, and socializing platform.

He scares me, because he could limit something I care about, some day.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller

-John