Obama unilaterally attacks camps in Yemen

[stateofbeasley]

Train wreck? Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do in the campaign. Wind down the Iraq war, which was a tremendous waste of an exercise in Nation Building, and keep up the pressure on Al Queda and its allies.

ASSume much? No, I'm not frustrated at all. Actually, from a purely political standpoint it's quite amusing watching this train wreck unfold.

I take it your answer to my question is really "yes" :biggrin:

 

[kage69]

ASSume much? No, I'm not frustrated at all. Actually, from a purely political standpoint it's quite amusing watching this train wreck unfold.

Your need to exaggerate to such a degree does indeed point to you having some pent up frustrations here, clearly.

If the last year somehow constitutes a train wreck, then the prior eight years would rate somewhere between nuclear holocaust and The Inquisition.

Yep, pretty amusing.

 

[kage69]

Train wreck? Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do in the campaign. Wind down the Iraq war, which was a tremendous waste of an exercise in Nation Building, and keep up the pressure on Al Queda and its allies.



I take it your answer to my question is really "yes" :biggrin:

We should probably give him a break. The status quo for him is being lied to in grand fashion, and he misses it. See GWB on 'Nation Building', 'being World police,' or using war as a last resort. All these bitter pills of late are tough to swallow, and you know what a ton of pills can do to your guts, right?

Seriously though, it is indeed hard to take many Obama critics seriously just because they don't even know where Obama stands on the given issue. The speech he gave in Oslo has apparently scrambled a few heads though, you know the vocal minority is having a bad day when even Palin commends The President. heh

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So attacking the camps in Yemen was a mistake?

Nope, likely not. At this time I have no problem with our military going after the terrorists wherever they are.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I take it your answer to my question is really "yes" :biggrin:

Or it is No like I said. But you are free to ASSume what you wish.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Where are the cries of "cowboy" now?

I could go into this if you wish.

 

[theflyingpig]

In my mind, if Obama launched these attacks with the full knowledge and consent of the Government of Yemen, I see no real problems with the decision to attack probable AL-Quida terrorists in their camps.

Since we do not know the answer to the above question, I see no point in speculating much further at this point in time. Other than to say its totally different than putting US troops on the ground and getting into a no exit option quagmire.

But now that I am on a roll speculating, we must also ask two other questions.

1. What did this stunt cost the USA? Cruise missiles are not cheap, and if we just got a few terrorists and mud huts, did the taxpayer get their money's worth?

2. What is the quality of our intel and what is the accidental collateral damage in terms of innocent people killed? My only comment is that terrorism is only an idea that cannot be killed. And overall using hi tech has only had the net effect of creating more new terrorists than we kill. Fear may be a powerful emotion but it never inspires love. And overall, humans are very stubborn animals and the will to resist is an even more powerful emotion than fear.

You are wrong. The will to resist is superseded by the realities of death, and that reality is what we must bring upon our enemies. The problem is that America is too weak to actually do what is necessary to destroy our enemies. Your idea that somehow we can make our enemies love us is foolish. Our enemies must be made to understand that we are more powerful. They must know fear. They must know death. They must know that the only option is surrender. I can tell you have no experience with breaking the will of a person because you still cling to the idiotic hollywood idea of 'the will to resist can overcome anything'. I suggest you turn off the Disney channel and go outside and experience the real world. Everyone knows this.

 

[Lemon law]

theflyingpig says, "Our enemies must be made to understand that we are more powerful. They must know fear. They must know death. They must know that the only option is surrender. I can tell you have no experience with breaking the will of a person because you still cling to the idiotic hollywood idea of 'the will to resist can overcome anything'. I suggest you turn off the Disney channel and go outside and experience the real world."

Except in the REAL WORLD of Afghanistan and the tribal areas of Pakistan, theflyingpig idea is being tested and is flopping badly. As we have to work much harder to accomplish the mission of winning the occupation.

But Oh I forgot, theflyingpig is just a keyboard commando. But sadly, I can only express disgust with the attitudes of theflyingpig, but we have to remember that the same internet theflyingpig uses is still viewable to our enemies. And I shudder to think what they would think if America is represented by theflyingpig. Because if America has no respect for the value of innocent life, why should the Afghan or Pakistani people have any respect to our lives and values?

I will not say everyone knows it but I will say anyone who thinks deduces it.

 

[Craig234]

Theflyingpig is a voice of evil. One hopes he's got a sick sense of humor and gets off trolling message boards instead of meaning what he says, but he's probably the broken human being he appears to be.

His type of evil is a sort of echo evil, he has nothing original to contribute, but early one like him learns of evil like that of a Hitler or a Stalin and perversely, determiine to never be a victim of someone like that by trying to deny power to anyone to possibly be a threat - therebydenying others their rights. Funny enough, Stalin and Hitler (and Mao) all had their early experiences feeling like THEY were victims and had to 'be strong'.

It's the cycle of violence on a global scale. Mao saw China abused by the west-supported corrupt Chiang Kai-Shek, Stalin saw the USSR invaded by the west the moment it was formed, abandoned by the west to pay the heavy burden of war with Hitler (with an asterisk noting Stalin was happy to sell the west out with his neutrality treaty), Hitler saw Germany victimized by the allies after WWI. And so on.

A root of evil is the dehumanization of someone, and theflyingpig has that in spades, turning strangers into threats for him to 'protect' himself from by his 'ruthlessness' against them. A moral idiot.

 

[JSt0rm]

I think theflyingpig likes to troll. My humor meter's needle pegs during his posts. Everyone knows this.

 

[CPA]

Love the extremes you guys employ when translating recent events. Obama's noted departure from the Cheney admin tactic of ignoring those we disagree with is somehow, nothing. And on the other side of the spectrum, Iran occupying territory long in dispute with Iraq (and without any violence or loss of life) is now an "attack." Case you forgot, we're not running Iraq anymore. Our military presence there doesn't dictate tactics to the Iraqi government.

Least you could have done was wait for the bullets to fly. Don't take this as a defense of Iran either, this is clearly an attempt to take some focus off of their internal turmoil.

Just do yourself a favor and lay off the Fox Noise - you're not doing yourself or your political ilk any favors by regurgitating the BS normally dispensed by Fox & Friends.





Is Yemen condemning this attack? Anyone know?

Ahhh, the ol' "Stop watching Fox News" debate tactic.

 

[fskimospy]

You are wrong. The will to resist is superseded by the realities of death, and that reality is what we must bring upon our enemies. The problem is that America is too weak to actually do what is necessary to destroy our enemies. Your idea that somehow we can make our enemies love us is foolish. Our enemies must be made to understand that we are more powerful. They must know fear. They must know death. They must know that the only option is surrender. I can tell you have no experience with breaking the will of a person because you still cling to the idiotic hollywood idea of 'the will to resist can overcome anything'. I suggest you turn off the Disney channel and go outside and experience the real world. Everyone knows this.

I like how the person who's posts are so childish that it's obvious they have never seen the real world tries to tell someone else what the real world is like.

It cannot be denied.

 

[kage69]

Ahhh, the ol' "Stop watching Fox News" debate tactic.

If the shoe fits...

But simply calling a spade a spade doesn't involve 'tactics' of any sort, sorry. In this case, you are parroting the mindless, fact deficient tripe popularized by that infotainment channel and are being called on it. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you give critical thinking a shot.

But thanks for illustrating my point. Instead of supporting your argument with anything of substance, or addressing any of the content of my post, you cut straight to the whining and dismissals. Typical.

 

[nick1985]

In my mind, if Obama launched these attacks with the full knowledge and consent of the Government of Yemen, I see no real problems with the decision to attack probable AL-Quida terrorists in their camps.

I have that weird feeling that if Bush did this, you WOULD have a problem.

/shrug

 

[kage69]

I like how the person who's posts are so childish that it's obvious they have never seen the real world tries to tell someone else what the real world is like.

It cannot be denied.

Reminds me of PJABBER getting all butthurt over others not subscribing to his brand of stupid, while requesting everyone keep it civil, respectful and fun... and then goes on to patronize their intellect and gender.

But, in the end I suppose pig's wannabe tough guy routine and stupid post branding isn't as bad as being an unoriginal googlewhore unable to admit fault.

The "do as I say, not as I do" trend among these posters grows tiresome. I wish I had the patience of certain clandestine Inuit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Reminds me of PJABBER getting all butthurt over others not subscribing to his brand of stupid, while requesting everyone keep it civil, respectful and fun... and then goes on to patronize their intellect and gender.

But, in the end I suppose pig's wannabe tough guy routine and stupid post branding isn't as bad as being an unoriginal googlewhore unable to admit fault.

The "do as I say, not as I do" trend among these posters grows tiresome. I wish I had the patience of certain clandestine Inuit.

Imagine what it's like for someone like me who has to listen about this and "experts" in health care. The FP got Iraq which didn't come of as planed and the latter kept saying that anything would be better than nothing then complained because that's precisely what they asked for. Perhaps it's not a good idea to hate something enough to disregard consequences. Na, that would make sense.

 

[kage69]

Imagine what it's like for someone like me who has to listen about this and "experts" in health care. The FP got Iraq which didn't come of as planed and the latter kept saying that anything would be better than nothing then complained because that's precisely what they asked for. Perhaps it's not a good idea to hate something enough to disregard consequences. Na, that would make sense.

You work in the health care industry?

Some need to complain to feel good. I think in many cases it's just that simple. Hate clouds judgment, I hope we can all agree on that. Ignoring the concept of 'cause and effect,' i.e, disregarding consequences, is something you won't see me advocate. But I also appreciate your patience, being a mod denotes an obligation to peruse a lot of cheap talk and I commend you for it.

 

[palehorse]

good.

more of this.

 

[Red Dawn]

I have that weird feeling that if Bush did this, you WOULD have a problem.

/shrug

True but after he fucked the dog and invaded Iraq could you blame him or anyone else for have a problem with Bush doing this?

 

[Ozoned]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236

Personally I don't have a problem with Obama attacking terrorists anywhere anyhow. But does Obama have authority to do this? Unilateral attack on a country? How does this square with international law? Finally - How does this square with hope & change or is it another classic bait and switch?

Last month, Yemen reports that they have new military cooperation deal with USA . USA says no deal was struck.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/US+says+no+military+cooperation+deal+with+Yemen-a01612057935

When you search for USA YEMEN military cooperation deal, all news stops there????

 

[kage69]

Regarding that "attack" that CPA was so worried about...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091220/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_iraq

Damn shame Obama couldn't change that outcome, yessir.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

True but after he fucked the dog and invaded Iraq could you blame him or anyone else for have a problem with Bush doing this?

Indeed. The problem isn't so much that Obama did what he did, so much as Bush couldn't restrain himself. I can't remember any administration who never took part of some limited military action, at least in my lifetime. They went in, took care of business, and left. Rarely was the goal to make a Crusade out of it.

 

[Craig234]

good.

more of this.

What's the price for you to call for killing *any* foreigner no matter how unjustified? About zero. Sure is easy to dehumanize others and enjoy the powerful feeling. The arrogance of power...

(I'm not saying how justified this attack was, it's a more general commebt about how easy it is for the citizens of the powerful nation to say 'good' to unjust killing).

 

[Craig234]

Indeed. The problem isn't so much that Obama did what he did, so much as Bush couldn't restrain himself. I can't remember any administration who never took part of some limited military action, at least in my lifetime. They went in, took care of business, and left. Rarely was the goal to make a Crusade out of it.

Uh, that *was* the Iraq plan militarily. "Mission Accomplished". The insurgency wasn't planned.

 

[soccerballtux]

what's wrong with that - as long as the action involved takes place with the foreign government's consent and in their land? technically i don't think this is a 'mercenary' action though i'm sure the us did something else to reinforce the yemeni gov'ts position besides kill al Qaeda members.

I cant remember for sure but didn't clinton do something similar - launch cruise missiles after the Cole bombing or wtc bombing into afghanistan?

nothing wrong as long as it's a democrat in office doing it.