Hopefully members of this forum can contribute positively to topics instead of glib one-liners that do nothing to further the discussion.
Obama knows that America is an almighty nation. But to get it on its feet again in a decent time frame, big money needs to be spent. Once it starts moving, it can recoup that cost in a few bounds. But it all depends on the peoples willingness to pull in the same direction.
I also think the program is making up for 25 years of admins sitting on their hands on some big issues. Energy is a massive issue, as well as the disastrous health system.
One large problem I see is that this is a long-term project that will require careful management over 12-18 years and beyond, where the likely resurgence of the economy will need higher amounts of maintenance.
Obama knows that America is an almighty nation. But to get it on its feet again in a decent time frame, big money needs to be spent. Once it starts moving, it can recoup that cost in a few bounds. But it all depends on the peoples willingness to pull in the same direction.
I also think the program is making up for 25 years of admins sitting on their hands on some big issues. Energy is a massive issue, as well as the disastrous health system.
One large problem I see is that this is a long-term project that will require careful management over 12-18 years and beyond, where the likely resurgence of the economy will need higher amounts of maintenance.
daniel1113
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An almighty nation? What the fuck does that mean?
Big money does not need to be spent. Jesus Christ, that's the exact reason we are in this mess. Overspending. Government spending (and government in general) needs to be cut back greatly if you want this economy to ever redound.
You talk about the "peoples willingness to pull in the same direction", and "long-term project that will require careful management." Our economy is supposed to be a (relatively) free economy. What you are asking for is called central economic planning, and that is the exact opposite. I won't stand for it, and I hope others that feel the same start to vocalize their opinions.
Hey Daniel, thanks for your discussion 
Almighty in the sense that it can generate a lot of activity when it gets going.
Pulling in the same direction can be seen in a business, where all the employees in that company strive for a common goal. So, in an umbrella sense, the union also needs to, to be a successful 'company'.
I guess this 'free' economy hasn't had the guidance it requires. It has been argued that allowing business to direct itself without enough central oversight has led to an unsustainable economy. There is a balance required, that is the conjecture at the moment between many.
Almighty in the sense that it can generate a lot of activity when it gets going.
Pulling in the same direction can be seen in a business, where all the employees in that company strive for a common goal. So, in an umbrella sense, the union also needs to, to be a successful 'company'.
I guess this 'free' economy hasn't had the guidance it requires. It has been argued that allowing business to direct itself without enough central oversight has led to an unsustainable economy. There is a balance required, that is the conjecture at the moment between many.
retrospooty
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I did hear him yapping about the cost for future generations and we cant do that to our kids. He says this right after he puts 1 trillion on the kids CC.
He is a savy politician that is for sure. The ability to state something like that while your actions are a 180 without blinking an eye and convince people you are sincere is a talent.
He is a savy politician that is for sure. The ability to state something like that while your actions are a 180 without blinking an eye and convince people you are sincere is a talent.
nobodyknows
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Take responsibility?
I've taken responsibility for my life, I don't owe any money, I have never lived of any government assistance. I put way more money into the system than I get out of it. Yet I have to take responsibility? All I do is work, pay taxes, and be a good little boy. The only thing I need to do is get mad.
I've taken responsibility for my life, I don't owe any money, I have never lived of any government assistance. I put way more money into the system than I get out of it. Yet I have to take responsibility? All I do is work, pay taxes, and be a good little boy. The only thing I need to do is get mad.
ericlp
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You know, your probably right, tho, if I had to Vote all over again, I still would have taken my chances with Obama then McSame.
You post is whacked out as usual.
We couldn't even remove a two time loser Bush, how the hell are you going to remove a sitting president with still an approval ratting of over 70%?
Butterbean's a special and dangerous kind of ignorance. I guarantee you he's never read Alisnky, Gramsci, or Webb. No, he's almost certainly gleaning this information from some conservative and/or religious website or society. They, in turn, pick quotes or ideas they dislike from these different schools of thought and try to associate them with Obama (who is surely an evil Communist hell bent on turning the USA into the USSR). The reality is, of course, these people had both good and bad ideas, as does Obama.
I really dislike the kind of faux intellectualism used by people like Butterbean in an attempt to categorize that which he does not like. The fact is that the Fabian Socialists, while having some bad ideas, were early promoters of things like minimum wage and socialized medicine and included prominent members of society, such as H.G. Wells. Gramsci examined the idea of cultural hegemony, in that the working class assimilated the values of the ruling class. Do we not see that to a large degree today? Look at how materialistic the average American has become. Better yet, just look at these boards and you'll see that many in the middle-class here will defend the elite and wealthy, even to the point of calling the bottom 90% lazy and undeserving. They never seem to mention that most people who die wealthy were born wealthy. But this was the point of Gramsci, one of the reasons Capitalism remains successful is because the ruling-class convinced the working-class that it is in their own benefit that the ruling-class is protected and does well. Whether or not you agree with this, you can certainly see this behavior in action both in these boards and in real life.
Now, Gramsci, Alisnky, and the Fabian Socialists weren't right about everything (IMO), but that's not the point. They encouraged people to question the status quo. To question their own deeply held beliefs. You may find yourself exactly where you started or you may modify your world view, that journey is your's. And this is why people like Butterbean are so dangerous. He can hate these thinkers without ever having actually considered their ideas. He operates at the behest of others who think for him and who almost certainly have their own motives. I think it's time that people become more critical of the things they hold to be universal truths.
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