Obama to order immunity for young illegal immigrants

[D-Man]

My granddaughter who is a junior in H.S in all types of School Activities straight A student that we had to use a phony address to get her out of schools overrun by the very people who march tons of kids out of one house and the rest of us pay the school taxes that Obama wants to give a break to will now bump her out of a low paying job during the summers. Great it would be nice for her to make some summer money to have a few bucks while attending College.

The school boundaries were changed in my area of $250.000 homes that had great schools. Now they are FILLED with Border Jumpers. The level of education you can receive in these schools is now so poor many of the citizens that have to use these schools now get a poor education at best. I see graffiti in restaurants I used to go to. I am surrounded by some dangerous neighborhoods in the less affluent areas I grew up in. Seal the boarders and allow the people we want in here just like most other countries.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Gee fella;'.,' Well look I apolagize for being a spelling nazi,lol. I would more clearly like to understand, Were do you stand on the entire Israilie Thing from conception to present. I don't know whether or not I am repling to a neanderthal or a bigit.

Can this post be nominated for "Ironic Post of the Year"? Nemesis is now a spelling Nazi?

 

[Ninjahedge]

D-man.

Where do you buy your groceries?
Where does your neighbor buy them?

Will you pay $4 a pint for Strawberries?

The biggest problem we have now is two-fold.

1. CHEAP labor.
2. "Americans" not WANTING to do cheap labor, even if paid more.

What needs to be done is finding a way to make work visas easier to obtain, fees paid for their use, and a way to track these people in and out.

Will it make more cross the border? Probably. But more will go home after growing season is over too.

 

[OutHouse]

Why this motherfucker is not banned I will never know, but for anyone interested in who the fuck this lying piece of shit is, enjoy.



JakeAgnew/PowerSwede on bodybuilding.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140590701&page=1

Probably ImproperOne on bodybuilding.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143478143

Klixxer on FedoraForum (linked from the bodybuilding.com JakeAgnew thread):

http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=499269&postcount=53

Klixxer on AT, receiving endorsement from Omnipotent Overlord Perknose:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=13563700#post13563700



So at various times, this lying piece of shit has claimed service as a member of the IDF, the Swedish navy, the German army, and of course, the SAS. Also claims service as "a UN soldier," whatever the fuck that means. Conveniently for JoS/JakeAgnew/PowerSwede/Klixxer, many of his units are designated "401", so he doesn't have to get a new tattoo every time he changes personalities or national allegiance.

Somehow in between his door-kicking ninja squirrel missions in service to nations around the globe, he has also managed to find the time to earn advanced degrees in law? and biochemistry, and dabbles in Swedish national championship level bodybuilding.

A real Renaissance (Recognizance?) man.

The funny thing is that I actually believe he served in some military capacity at some point in time, but he has so muddied the waters with lies on top of lies that it is impossible to decipher what is actually true. About the only thing that's clear is that his constant lying and multiple personae point to some underlying pathology. Chemical imbalance? Head injury? Who the fuck knows?

Seek help, dude. Or jump off a cliff. Either one would serve.

wow talk about ownage. JoS is a PoS poser. get a life loser.

 

[michal1980]

Try to learn the difference between an Executive Order and a law, then get back to us.

Obama himself said he couldn't do what he did about a year ago.


Which time was he wrong?

 

[michal1980]

Thought I'd correct your mistakes; Only citizens can vote. Obama is President, not King. And it was the DoJ that cracked down on Florida, not the President. And state names are capitalized when written.

You're welcome.

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/fil...ation_application_gab_131_fillable__14839.pdf

For someone that already broke one law breaking into the country, whats stopping them from another.

What on that registration form prevents an illegal from voting? If they vote for Obama, and might get in trouble, he'll come out tomorrow and say that we no longer enforce that la.


Obama is king when he, on his own, makes up whatever rules/laws he wants.

The DoJ is controlled by an appointee of Obama, who serves as long as King Obama wants him too.

 

[jackstar7]

For someone that already broke one law breaking into the country, whats stopping them from another.

Do you speed? Do you see speeding as a "gateway" to all other crimes as well? Why/Why not?

 

[davmat787]

Do you speed? Do you see speeding as a "gateway" to all other crimes as well? Why/Why not?

How many people that speed would enter a country illegally? I am assuming you, like others, speed on occasion, but would you enter a country illegally?

I don't get the comparison to be honest.

 

[jackstar7]

How many people that speed would enter a country illegally? I am assuming you, like others, speed on occasion, but would you enter a country illegally?

I don't get the comparison to be honest.

His premise is that one law broken leads to another law broken. He was the conflating voter fraud non-issue with the illegal immigration actual issue.

So I'm wondering which laws when broken open up all laws to being broken, like some kind of threshhold that is crossed.

 

[michal1980]

His premise is that one law broken leads to another law broken. He was the conflating voter fraud non-issue with the illegal immigration actual issue.

So I'm wondering which laws when broken open up all laws to being broken, like some kind of threshhold that is crossed.

Obama will just ignore the part of the law that deals with illegals voting. Problem solved.


IMO, theres a far greater difference between speeding and breaking into another country. That difference is much smaller between illegally coming into the country and illegally voting.

 

[woolfe9999]

So what you are saying is that 50% of ILLEGALS (not f-ing undocumented, stop trying to change the language) are criminals.

Seems like much higher then our citizens.

Yes, and so is everyone who smokes weed.

While you're busy policing my language, I think what you're doing is using the fact that something is "illegal" to imply from that fact alone that it is immoral. Legality /= morality. You're awfully angry about my use of the term "undocumented." The self-righteous can always be counted on to demagogue every issue.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Obama will just ignore the part of the law that deals with illegals voting. Problem solved.

Speculation.

IMO, theres a far greater difference between speeding and breaking into another country.

Opinion. Most would consider illegal immigration MUCH more serious than speeding. Not many people get deported for speeding.

That difference is much smaller between illegally coming into the country and illegally voting.

Except for the fact that illegally voting is a straw man that has been shown to be false.

There are more dead people voting than illegal immigrants.

Dead people usually vote republican.

 

[Infohawk]

2. "Americans" not WANTING to do cheap labor, even if paid more.

First of all, if people are paid more, it's stops being "cheap labor." What is your evidence for this anyway? Generally, if you pay people enough they will do just about anything. The real problem is that farmers and other businesses aren't properly penalized for using illegal labor.

 

[bfdd]

This is a really touchy subject. I don't think teenagers who arrived in this nation should be eligible you should have to prove you came here before you were capable of taking care of yourself. We've tried 13 year olds as adults for murder, why treat 13 year olds any differently when it comes to immigration?


btw not saying I'm against this, I have stated I'm for it to ensure our investment. Though we need to make sure we do not have this problem anymore and by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. if that means allowing children to starve, then oh well. You religious who feel it's evil to do so, don't shoulder the blame and don't shoulder it unto others. Their parents are responsible for bringing them into the world, no society.

 

[DCal430]

Stupid argument.

The key is to put certain requirements on the amnesty.

A 15.5 year old does not crawl under the fence and say "safe!", but a kid that was brought in when they were three and has lived in the states for 15 years should be allowed to stay.

But until people are willing to throw out BS labels (like associating all Illegals with drug dealers) or stop comparing us to some of the xenophobic ways of other "successful" countries, we will never see this.

Also:

-If you want our taxes to go up to fortify and man the borders, airports and other agencies needed to enforce this countries agencies

-If you want to pay MUCH more for our produce and prepared foods as our cheap off-the-book labor dwindles

-If you want to increase the profit made form "agencies" that make their living trafficking illegals into the country...


Well then, go on ahead and seal the borders.

Problem is, many that cry for this do not realize how MUCH they would really have to PAY for it in the end.

The problem is they are excluding people who came her at the age of 3 on VISA. Why should an kid who came with their parents on a VISA be excluded when someone who snuck on with their parents isn't.

 

[DCal430]

Their are kids who come with their parents on H2B or E2 Visa, live here for most of their life, go to school here, graduate from high school here, and the day they turn 21 they are deported. There is no method for them to stay any longer. There is nothing being done for these kids.

There are also kids who come here on a visa and it expires, again no one wants to help them, even the so called DREAM act exlcuded them.

 

[bfdd]

Their are kids who come with their parents on H2B or E2 Visa, live here for most of their life, go to school here, graduate from high school here, and the day they turn 21 they are deported. There is no method for them to stay any longer. There is nothing being done for these kids.

There are also kids who come here on a visa and it expires, again no one wants to help them, even the so called DREAM act exlcuded them.

That really is a shitting situation as well. Why not them? They at least were part of an effort to come here legitimately.

 

[nehalem256]

Their are kids who come with their parents on H2B or E2 Visa, live here for most of their life, go to school here, graduate from high school here, and the day they turn 21 they are deported. There is no method for them to stay any longer. There is nothing being done for these kids.

There are also kids who come here on a visa and it expires, again no one wants to help them, even the so called DREAM act exlcuded them.

Obama is not trying to win their vote.

So does this mean Obama has officially passed Romney in the pandering department?

 

[blankslate]

2. "Americans" not WANTING to do cheap labor, even if paid more.

What is your evidence for this anyway? Generally, if you pay people enough they will do just about anything. The real problem is that farmers and other businesses aren't properly penalized for using illegal labor.

Farmers have hired local workers at close to $10.50 an hour

Quite a few of them quit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/u...n-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html?_r=1

Mr. Harold, a 71-year-old Vietnam War veteran who drifted here in the late ’60s, has participated for about a decade in a federal program called H-2A that allows seasonal foreign workers into the country to make up the gap where willing and able American workers are few in number. He typically has brought in about 90 people from Mexico each year from July through October.

This year, though, with tough times lingering and a big jump in the minimum wage under the program, to nearly $10.50 an hour, Mr. Harold brought in only two-thirds of his usual contingent. The other positions, he figured, would be snapped up by jobless local residents wanting some extra summer cash.

“It didn’t take me six hours to realize I’d made a heck of a mistake,” Mr. Harold said, standing in his onion field on a recent afternoon as a crew of workers from Mexico cut the tops off yellow onions and bagged them.

Six hours was enough, between the 6 a.m. start time and noon lunch break, for the first wave of local workers to quit. Some simply never came back and gave no reason. Twenty-five of them said specifically, according to farm records, that the work was too hard. On the Harold farm, pickers walk the rows alongside a huge harvest vehicle called a mule train, plucking ears of corn and handing them up to workers on the mule who box them and lift the crates, each weighing 45 to 50 pounds.

“It is not an easy job,” said Kerry Mattics, 49, another H-2A farmer here in Olathe, who brought in only a third of his usual Mexican crew of 12 workers for his 50-acre fruit and vegetable farm, then struggled to make it through the season. “It’s outside, so if it’s wet, you’re wet, and if it’s hot you’re hot,” he said.

 

[michal1980]

Speculation.
.

Really?

Obama already crowned himself king, and has dictated which laws he will, and will not enforce based on how many votes it gets him.

 

[michal1980]

Yes, and so is everyone who smokes weed.

While you're busy policing my language, I think what you're doing is using the fact that something is "illegal" to imply from that fact alone that it is immoral. Legality /= morality. You're awfully angry about my use of the term "undocumented." The self-righteous can always be counted on to demagogue every issue.

I'm self-righteous?

Your the one that wants to change the language and termonlogy.

These people broke the law, they broke into our country. they are ILLEGAL aliens.

They are not 'undocumented'. I know that violates your world view in some twisted way.

 

[Svnla]

The problem is they are excluding people who came her at the age of 3 on VISA. Why should an kid who came with their parents on a VISA be excluded when someone who snuck on with their parents isn't.

This. Why bother to have immigration law when the federal government is not enforced it? Or pick and choose who can stay and who can not.

I bet my money that those parents came here on Visa/H1B1/via other legal documents have more skills and able to contribute much more than uneducated peasants that came here ILLEGALLY.

Again, can any of you provide a link or two about any sovereign countries on Earth that would give break/amnesty to ILLEGALS?

Here are how you get in develop countries such as Australia = http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/

Canada = http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/index.asp

Oh nooooo!!!! Canada and Australia are sooooo racist and xenophobia.

 

[Svnla]

WTH? My post # 284 is all the way up and 6 hours late? I posted it at 10:11 p.m. central time and it showed as 4:11 p.m.?

The problem is they are excluding people who came her at the age of 3 on VISA. Why should an kid who came with their parents on a VISA be excluded when someone who snuck on with their parents isn't.

This. Why bother to have immigration law when the federal government is not enforced it? Or pick and choose who can stay and who can not.

I bet my money that those parents came here on Visa/H1B1/via other legal documents have more skills and able to contribute much more than uneducated peasants that came here ILLEGALLY by the hordes.

Again, can any of you provide a link or two about any sovereign countries on Earth that would give break/amnesty to ILLEGALS?

Here are how you get in develop countries such as Australia = http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/

Canada = http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/index.asp

Oh nooooo!!!! You have to have skill, able to pass English test, be healthy, able to contribute and not be a leech, ect. in order to get in. I don't see any breaks being given to ILLEGALS yet those countries are still in one piece.

Canada and Australia are sooooo racist and xenophobia.

 

[zanejohnson]

I'm self-righteous?

Your the one that wants to change the language and termonlogy.

These people broke the law, they broke into our country. they are ILLEGAL aliens.

They are not 'undocumented'. I know that violates your world view in some twisted way.

see the main difference is that.. even though we live in the same country.. my country wouldn't punish people for bettering themselves.. and that my friend, is why your shitty idea of that kind of shithole country, will die... it already is, cant deny it.

 

[Infohawk]

Farmers have hired local workers at close to $10.50 an hour

Quite a few of them quit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/u...n-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html?_r=1

$10.50 is cheap. Sounds like he would raise the wages more.