Obama to order full investigation on Russia hacking

[AnonymouseUser]

You don't think it makes a difference if we know whether a state actor intervened in our elections or not?

You realize we will have elections again in the future, right?

No, it was not a foreign actor. Seth Rich was likely one of the leaks, which is why he had to die.

 

[fskimospy]

No, it was not a foreign actor. Seth Rich was likely one of the leaks, which is why he had to die.

Well you better go tell the US intelligence community about your findings then as they disagree.

 

[momeNt]

Well you better go tell the US intelligence community about your findings then as they disagree.

What sort of outcome do you envision if they find evidence of a foreign actor?

 

[FIVR]

Well you better go tell the US intelligence community about your findings then as they disagree.

Much of the US intelligence community is complicit and aware of the actions of the SVR, I don't think you'll hear much out of the FBI or CIA about Russian hacking or really anything related to Russia. They are more concerned with drugs and guns and latin american regimes and Syria.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm good with this. And they should investigate China's hacking as well imo.

 

[PokerGuy]

Well you better go tell the US intelligence community about your findings then as they disagree.

..... at least until they get a new boss

If Russia had hacked Trump, and I am not saying they haven't already (as a precaution and to blackmail him) would you still feel the same way? If wikileaks started releasing every single email anybody with the last name "Trump" had ever written, during the presidential election, that would be fair to you?

Who said anything about fair? The world isn't fair, and whether I think something is fair or not doesn't really matter in this case does it? The bottom line is really this: was the leaked information accurate or not. If so, the source doesn't change the facts does it?

Emails were once thought to be quite private, most people aren't 100% honest in their public life... I doubt any candidacy would survive the onslaught wikileaks unleashed, I was quite amazed at how mundane and un-incriminating the emails they found were. It was mostly a nothing-burger.

Hey, if it was mostly a nothing-burger, then what's the problem with their release?

I thought the information showing all the media shills being in bed with the DNC and illary campaign was good information, no matter who leaked it or hacked it. Exposing the DNC's crooked campaign railroading Bernie in favor of the queen was quite enlightening as well.

 

[FIVR]

..... at least until they get a new boss



Who said anything about fair? The world isn't fair, and whether I think something is fair or not doesn't really matter in this case does it? The bottom line is really this: was the leaked information accurate or not. If so, the source doesn't change the facts does it?



Hey, if it was mostly a nothing-burger, then what's the problem with their release?

I thought the information showing all the media shills being in bed with the DNC and illary campaign was good information, no matter who leaked it or hacked it. Exposing the DNC's crooked campaign railroading Bernie in favor of the queen was quite enlightening as well.

That is an interesting way to look at it, you are correct that life isn't fair. Lower income and low status Trump supporters nationwide will soon learn that lesson the hard way.

 

[Kazukian]

So all the claims of Russian hacking up to this point are baseless?

Could have sworn I've been assured in this forum there was no doubt it was the Russians.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So all the claims of Russian hacking up to this point are baseless?

Could have sworn I've been assured in this forum there was no doubt it was the Russians.

No, they weren't. The claims they weren't involved are baseless. The entire intelligence and cyber security apparatus in the country feels it's true.

 

[Kazukian]

Tty6

No, they weren't. The claims they weren't involved are baseless. The entire intelligence and cyber security apparatus in the country feels it's true.

Ah, I misunderstood.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That is an interesting way to look at it, you are correct that life isn't fair. Lower income and low status Trump supporters nationwide will soon learn that lesson the hard way.

On exactly what basis have you determined this? Please share your rationale.

 

[PokerGuy]

That is an interesting way to look at it, you are correct that life isn't fair. Lower income and low status Trump supporters nationwide will soon learn that lesson the hard way.

Perhaps, and perhaps not. Your baseless assumptions are and crystal ball at this point are just as good as anyone else's.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What eveidence do they have that Russia was the one who hacked DNC?

How do they not know it's some kid living in the US who hacked it from his basement? Are Russian hackers really that more capable than elite American or Chinese rogue hackers?


http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/polit...-hacking-of-2016-election/index.html?adkey=bn

what qualifications do you have that point you to a kid in a basement or chinese hackers over the russians? kinda the point of an investigation, to, you know, investigate.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Tty6

Ah, I misunderstood.

I assume you bolded that word, my choice of words, to make some point? Would it be clearer if I explained that the security and intelligence communities who have looked at, and have access to, all the available evidence and information have stated that evidence confidently shows Russian involvement?

 

[PokerGuy]

I assume you bolded that word, my choice of words, to make some point? Would it be clearer if I explained that the security and intelligence communities who have looked at, and have access to, all the available evidence and information have stated that evidence confidently shows Russian involvement?

Then what's the point of an investigation? Hey, we already know the ruskies did it. Now what?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I assume you bolded that word, my choice of words, to make some point? Would it be clearer if I explained that the security and intelligence communities who have looked at, and have access to, all the available evidence and information have stated that evidence confidently shows Russian involvement?

Then exactly what do we need to investigate if we already know the core facts of the matter?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Then what's the point of an investigation? Hey, we already know the ruskies did it. Now what?

Beat me to it! Great minds think alike...lol.

 

[OrByte]

I've said it many times -- unless you can show that the leaked information was false or made up, the source of the information really doesn't change anything. Is it true or not. Sure, it's good to know who's doing what etc, but it doesn't fundamentally change anything.

I have zero problem with an investigation, but I don't think it can result in much of anything regardless.

This is the reason why Russia would be emboldened to fvck with US elections again ...

 

[OrByte]

Then exactly what do we need to investigate if we already know the core facts of the matter?

I think the point is for Obama to lay this issue front and center in Trump's lap. And then watch Trump squirm.

 

[fskimospy]

Beat me to it! Great minds think alike...lol.

Apparently neither of your Great Minds bothered to read the article. lol.

"The President has directed the Intelligence Community to conduct a full review of what happened during the 2016 election process. It is to capture lessons learned from that and to report to a range of stakeholders," White House Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Adviser Lisa Monaco said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with reporters Friday. "This is consistent with the work that we did over the summer to engage Congress on the threats that we were seeing."

White House spokesman Eric Schultz added later that the review would encompass malicious cyber activity related to US elections going back to 2008.

The point is to review not only the elections but other activity going back 8 years and see what lessons they can disseminate to help prevent it in the future.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Then exactly what do we need to investigate if we already know the core facts of the matter?

Not sure do we have any Detectives or professional investigators on these forums? I'd guess you'd want to confirm it happened, see if anyone leaked passwords or access to a Spy and finally how to prevent it in the future.
Kind of like if a retailer gets hacked and loses credit card info. They like to know how it happened and ideally who did it to prevent future intrusion. They certainly don't just shrug their shoulders and say well that was a bummer.

 

[repoman0]

Apparently neither of your Great Minds bothered to read the article. lol.

Or if they didn't bother to read the article, then to just think for five seconds about what the point of an investigation could be beyond pointing fingers at who did it.

 

[shady28]

And while they're at it, I think they should launch a full investigation of the 95% Hillary voting Detroit electoral districts where some 600+ offices couldn't be recounted because the ballot boxes had as much as 30x the number of votes recorded as were physically in the ballot boxes during the MI recount.

And the Democrat judge who had the recount halted.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Not sure do we have any Detectives or professional investigators on these forums? I'd guess you'd want to confirm it happened, see if anyone leaked passwords or access to a Spy and finally how to prevent it in the future.
Kind of like if a retailer gets hacked and loses credit card info. They like to know how it happened and ideally who did it to prevent future intrusion. They certainly don't just shrug their shoulders and say well that was a bummer.

I'm sure that our intelligence has a very good idea of what happened and what can be done to improve security in the future. If we can say unequivocally that the Russians did it, then we most likely know how they did it. Not objecting to an investigation but it seems to me that most of the real leg work has already been done.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And while they're at it, I think they should launch a full investigation of the 95% Hillary voting Detroit electoral districts where some 600+ offices couldn't be recounted because the ballot boxes had as much as 30x the number of votes recorded as were physically in the ballot boxes during the MI recount.

And the Democrat judge who had the recount halted.

Or you could do what Jill Stein did. Get funded to have a recount done.
I know nothing of your claim and maybe you are right but time and time again claims like you made have been proven wrong.