Obama to hike 10-year deficit to $9 trillion

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

Damn all that military spending creating jobs, oh wait, jobs...that...help...people.

Not trying to defend the current levels of defense spending, but military R&D produces many scientific advancements that are applicable to things other than "the slaying of brown people."

Armed with Science has aired many examples of military funded projects yielding technology / discoveries that have civilian uses.

I can personally attest that (at universities at least) projects funded by the military produce publications and patents that are spin-offs of the original work that can be applicable to many other areas.

A more direct example would be a military project at my former university that was studying the long term impact of a post-war and/or disaster conditions on the environment and how to minimize the harmful consequences.

yeah, like that GPS tech so many people like these days... or the internet.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Worst president in the history of our union. And it's only been barely 8 months.

We won't know if he is or isn't great until his term is over. We KNOW George W Bush was an utter failure because his results speak for themselves. I'll reserve judgment on Obama until the results are in.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
It's funny to read people c'plaining about Bush spending when Bama (who agreed with much of Bush spending) had it beat by 4 x before the winter snow was gone - and the "stimulus" was only 22% "stimulating". The rest was dumped down the money pit of entitlement transfers and Dem pork. Obama and the other Dems have done more damage in 6 months than any other entire admin got near creating. I really don't know how US survives 3 1/2 more years of this mayhem. Hillary would have been better and shes a nut too.

And when we DO survive "this mayhem" and the economy is humming along again in two or three years, I'm sure you'll be the first to give credit to Obama, right?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Obama is the same. He has not done ANYTHING to reverse what you Bush haters hate about Bush, yet the apologies continue. Obama has continued as though Bush is still in office.

You know how you lefties laugh and point your finger at the Bush apologists? How roles have reversed eh?

Your post is simply factually incorrect. He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich, in fact he's trying to raise them. He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush. He's reversed the Bush administration's approach to the regulation of carbon emissions, another thing progressives hated. He's pushing for universal health care (of a sort), something Bush would NEVER do. (it's not up to my standards, but it's certainly an improvement)

There are some things that Obama does that are the same things that Bush did, such as his treatment of executive power and civil liberties. I greatly dislike those things about Obama. To say that Obama has 'continued as though Bush is still in office' however is obviously false.

To add what has already been added....your statement "He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich" is absolutely, unequivicable FALSE. What he's doing is letting ~some~ tax cuts expire NEXT YEAR. Unless you can point me to tax cuts Obama has reversed? Very misleading of you, which isnt your usual style. But then, you Obama types are kinda in a wierd place right now.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Can't we just fix it with a tax cut?

:thumbsup:

That would fix it in a hurry. Now you're thinking intelligently.

You're a laugh riot.

The cost of EXTENDING the existing Bush tax cuts to 2018 is $6.6 Trillion. And you rag on Obama because the national debt will increase by $9 trillion over that period.

So, naturally, you're in favor of rescinding the Bush tax cuts, to reduce the increase in the debt to $2.4 billion, right?

What? You want ADDITIONAL tax cuts?

So, you're blaming Obama for the cost of the Bush tax cuts, but you're advocating additional tax cuts. Have I got that right?

 

[KMFJD]

Who knew that starting two wars far away from home while lowering taxes could lead to this?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blanghorst

ZeGermans is a buffoon the likes of which this forum has never seen (and think of McOwen when you think of the incredible feat that is). The next intelligent comment he makes would be his first and probably only one.

The Europeans can defend themselves as far as I am concerned too. Time to cut back on being the world's policeman as well.

This forum has seen many similar buffoons. ZeGermans is simply the left's version of Spidey07. They're both either intentionally trolling, or batshit insane.

In the case of ZeGermans, I would hope it is trolling because if not, he has SERIOUS issues that need to be addressed by qualified professionals.

It is not fair to lump Spidey in with him. Heck, I am not sure I'd even lump Dave in with ZeGermans.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Harvey
Start from the fact that the debt existed long before Obama took office.

That's right folks, Obama is only compunding them at nearly an exponential rate. Apologists UNITE!

Except Bush signed TARP, and that money is coming back except for a few billion that went to Chrysler that was forgiven to coerce the Fiat buyout.

Half of the stimulus package was tax cuts to appease republicans.

The bush tax cuts cost more than 3x as much as the expansion of the social programs.

... i can keep going.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Harvey
Start from the fact that the debt existed long before Obama took office.

That's right folks, Obama is only compunding them at nearly an exponential rate. Apologists UNITE!

Except Bush signed TARP, and that money is coming back except for a few billion that went to Chrysler that was forgiven to coerce the Fiat buyout.

Half of the stimulus package was tax cuts to appease republicans.

The bush tax cuts cost more than 3x as much as the expansion of the social programs.

... i can keep going.

Tax cuts don't cost the government anything. Peoples money is theirs, not the governments, it doesn't cost the government to let people keep their money. Government spending cost money.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Obama is the same. He has not done ANYTHING to reverse what you Bush haters hate about Bush, yet the apologies continue. Obama has continued as though Bush is still in office.

You know how you lefties laugh and point your finger at the Bush apologists? How roles have reversed eh?

Your post is simply factually incorrect. He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich, in fact he's trying to raise them. He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush. He's reversed the Bush administration's approach to the regulation of carbon emissions, another thing progressives hated. He's pushing for universal health care (of a sort), something Bush would NEVER do. (it's not up to my standards, but it's certainly an improvement)

There are some things that Obama does that are the same things that Bush did, such as his treatment of executive power and civil liberties. I greatly dislike those things about Obama. To say that Obama has 'continued as though Bush is still in office' however is obviously false.

To add what has already been added....your statement "He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich" is absolutely, unequivicable FALSE. What he's doing is letting ~some~ tax cuts expire NEXT YEAR. Unless you can point me to tax cuts Obama has reversed? Very misleading of you, which isnt your usual style. But then, you Obama types are kinda in a wierd place right now.

What I meant by my statement is that Bush wanted to cut taxes for the rich, Obama is attempting to finance his health care plan in part by taxing the rich more.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

But... The empire! *sobs*