Obama to Consider Executive Actions on Gun Violence

[fskimospy]

Show me this overwhelmingly popular if there are 10M private sales in this country.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-poll-gop-voters-have-deep-concerns-about-government/

92% support for universal background checks by this measure. Different wording in other polls changes the percentages of course, but the overall trend is very clear: absolutely overwhelming popularity.

 

[HumblePie]

LoL. Your living in the past dude. All that manufacturing expertise has largely transferred overseas.

WTF? I've made my own gun. I known others that have. Okay, well I made one from a 80% lower, but close enough. Well I should say I didn't make it for myself as I was helping someone else trying to make one for their self. I know many others, many on this very forum, that have done the same. Do some google searches and educate yourself about people making/building their own firearms in this country.

 

[thraashman]

Maybe we could work on more important things 1st, like the mental health issue.

Why not stop the checks?

Cracked did a pretty decent article talking about mass shootings and the mentality behind it, you should read number 4. Mental health is a much less common factor in shootings than the fucktarded NRA and their even more fucktarded supporters claim.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-mass-shooters-are-not-kind-crazy-you-think/

No but you must be. You actually believe that? Maybe you could just post that pic again to "prove" your statement.

Did you find any loopholes/laws that the NRA put into effect yet?

People don't like the phrase "gun control" but when you ask them if they support requiring background checks for online or gun show sales, there is overwhelming support.
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

As far as the NRA and gun laws/loopholes, they've worked for years to make it nearly impossible for those tasked with enforcing gun laws to be able to actually enforce them.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/13/nra-weakened-gun-control-laws
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/atf-gun-laws-nra
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/u...mit-atfs-ability-to-fight-gun-crime.html?_r=0
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/07/nra-interferes-with-atf-operations/1894355/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...EVENT-the-ATF-from-enforcing-current-gun-laws
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/25/how-the-national-rifle-association-frustrates-e/193233

 

[fskimospy]

Uhh comprehension failure here.

People can MAKE there own guns. How would the government track a gun made by a person and then sold to another? It's impossible. Think please.

Those guns comprise a vanishingly small percentage of all guns. Use your head before saying such silly things please.

LOL YOYU ARE SERIOUSLY out of the loop. I know so many people, myself included, that have put together/made their own guns. You can buy 80% premade guns with zero markngs on them and then do the rest of the work yourself to make it. On top of that, there are tons of people that make guns in other ways without the requirement needed for high end manufacturing needs at all. The AK platform is designed to be easily made.

You have no idea what you are talking about here when it comes to people making guns. If a law came out that forced private sales to use background checks to done, I know many people that would just make their own guns and only resale or buy privately made guns later when they were in the market. That's just the legal crowd of people. It would be far more rampant with the criminal elements of society.

Yes, clearly there is a huge market for homemade guns to avoid background checks among law abiding citizens who would be in no way prevented from buying a gun by them. lol. You're nuts.

Your delusional if you think otherwise as history in this country has shown several times what people tend to do when laws like this are instituted.

You have a very poor understanding of history. People tend to react poorly to blanket prohibition of desirable items. They in no way even remotely act the same way towards regulated items. For a good example, see alcohol during prohibition and alcohol now. You made a foolish error in trying to compare universal background checks to prohibition.

 

[EOM]

As long as the system is easy to use and it's not a burden, I don't mind adding background checks for online (which could be automated easily) and for individual sellers... maybe allow the individual sellers to use a 3rd party service for little to no cost.

 

[HumblePie]

99.99% of people don't have the technical expertise and/or the equipment to do that.

I suppose 3d printers might make this easier in the future, but such a weapon wouldn't likely be anywhere near as dangerous as a real gun. Furthermore, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. This is still not an argument for inaction.

WTF you talking about? It's easy to make your own gun with an 80% template. Most of the time all you need a drill and a few adapters/cutouts to keep you from screwing up.

You also have no idea on how effective 3d printed guns are do you? I know several people who have also done that including a prior boss I know who I still talk with and go shooting with. He made a double barrel derringer of sorts that fires .45acp from his printer with no problem.

It's an argument that the law would do nothing at all to curb criminal use and possession of firearms and instead just make it more of a pain in the ass for law abiding citizens.

 

[highland145]

No one is suggesting outlawing private sales...

You must have missed the memo where "gun show loophole" and "private party sales" are the same thing.

 

[HumblePie]

Those guns comprise a vanishingly small percentage of all guns. Use your head before saying such silly things please.



Yes, clearly there is a huge market for homemade guns to avoid background checks among law abiding citizens who would be in no way prevented from buying a gun by them. lol. You're nuts.



You have a very poor understanding of history. People tend to react poorly to blanket prohibition of desirable items. They in no way even remotely act the same way towards regulated items. For a good example, see alcohol during prohibition and alcohol now. You made a foolish error in trying to compare universal background checks to prohibition.

You don't know the industry at all by the one post. There is no law that tracks the sale of 80% firearms so the amount bought and made by regular people has no accounting usually. The best and most telling is the stock values of companies that sell such items as their main product and those business have had their stocks shoot through the roof for the past 3 years. In some cases there has been waiting lists as the demand for such products far exceeded the industries ability to produce 80% templates for firearms.

That is just an example of the 80%. There are also plenty of people that do everything from scratch with no problem. Then there is the reloading industry and such. It is seriously not that hard at all to produce your own firearm and ammo for it in this day and age. Doing so takes very little mechanical skills or knowledge for the average person.

As far as history goes, I was not only alluding to the prohibition of alcohol era, but other times when the US or state governments in the US, or even colonial America was subject to Britain has not reacted well with overreaching regulations as well as prohibitions on stuff.

The law of requiring all private sales to go through background checks is really meant as way for the government to actually try to track all owned firearms. Many people go out of their way now to avoid that and don't buy firearms from dealers. They make their own or buy through private sales of either self-made or retail firearms. The law would just force those people to stop buying retail made firearms created after the date of the law. Because there is no way to track sales before any such law is enacted.

 

[spacejamz]

is it too late to go out and grab some ammo off the shelf? read a story about a store here in Dallas that did a week's worth of sales last Saturday alone...

 

[michal1980]

No one is suggesting outlawing private sales...

you just want government involved?

so now you like government coming into peoples houses to see what they are doing?

 

[highland145]

As long as the system is easy to use and it's not a burden, I don't mind adding background checks for online (which could be automated easily) and for individual sellers... maybe allow the individual sellers to use a 3rd party service for little to no cost.

Our background check is quick and painless. I've spent more time in a quick shop. Would I use a check on a private sale? Maybe, if it's not documented. I can call the sheriff's dept now and check a serial # for a stolen gun.

 

[michal1980]

Well I have some fairly extensive experience with guns. I know I would never own one and I think the private sale loophole should be closed. Of course it's my opinion, but I genuinely can't see the point of having background checks at all if they are so easily circumvented. (and no, let's not get rid of background checks)

oh look another thing your an expert in?

 

[fskimospy]

oh look another thing your an expert in?

Have I told you how stupid you are recently? If not, let me remind you: you're extremely stupid.

I was in the military for seven years, genius. When you're in the military you tend to be around guns reasonably often.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You're trying to argue with a guy that has a pathological inability to admit that he's wrong. Or he picks 1 minor nuance of something and argues that to death.

🙄

You do realize words have meaning, right?

Does someone selling one gun to their neighbor constitute a gun show?

How will doing background checks online or at a gun show stop someone from selling a gun to their neighbor?

Do you have a head injury?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Our background check is quick and painless. I've spent more time in a quick shop. Would I use a check on a private sale? Maybe, if it's not documented. I can call the sheriff's dept now and check a serial # for a stolen gun.

Wait, so you agree that dong background checks on private sales would be non-problematic?

 

[thraashman]

You're trying to argue with a guy that has a pathological inability to admit that he's wrong. Or he picks 1 minor nuance of something and argues that to death.

Except that eskimo is completely right in this instance and Bober is one of the most frequently wrong people in P&N. I've turned proving him wrong into a little game I call "Easiest Game Ever".

 

[Ackmed]

Have I told you how stupid you are recently? If not, let me remind you: you're extremely stupid.

I was in the military for seven years, genius. When you're in the military you tend to be around guns reasonably often.

Branch, MOS?

 

[jackstar7]

Branch, MOS?

Why are you asking?

 

[HumblePie]

Why are you asking?

Because what he stated is false. I was in the Air Force and beyond basic training there was never a job condition that forced me to be associated or around guns fairly often for my particular job. Same can be said of many navy, and army people I know.

Unless your job is combat centric job in the military, the most you'll ever deal with guns, except the marines, is in basic training and the guards at the entrance to the base/post as you drive by them seeing them armed. No different really than seeing the armed cop standing outside a few Walmarts in my area when I walk into them.

 

[NAC4EV]

 

[fskimospy]

Because what he stated is false. I was in the Air Force and beyond basic training there was never a job condition that forced me to be associated or around guns fairly often for my particular job. Same can be said of many navy, and army people I know.

I was in the Navy. If you are in the Navy and assigned to a ship you will carry a gun one or more times each week while you're in port and you will attend firearms qualifications and training of various sorts several times a year on 9mm, shotguns, and M-14s for the most part. I think that qualifies as 'reasonably often'.

The vast majority of people who enter the Navy are assigned to a ship for most if not all of their first enlistment and then on and off every few years for the rest of their career.

Unless your job is combat centric job in the military, the most you'll ever deal with guns, except the marines, is in basic training and the guards at the entrance to the base/post.

You are full of shit.

 

[michal1980]

Have I told you how stupid you are recently? If not, let me remind you: you're extremely stupid.

I was in the military for seven years, genius. When you're in the military you tend to be around guns reasonably often.

maybe, or maybe not, depends on you job in the military.

 

[michal1980]

I was in the Navy. If you are in the Navy and assigned to a ship you will carry a gun one or more times each week while you're in port and you will attend firearms qualifications and training of various sorts several times a year on 9mm, shotguns, and M-14s for the most part. I think that qualifies as 'reasonably often'.

The vast majority of people who enter the Navy are assigned to a ship for most if not all of their first enlistment and then on and off every few years for the rest of their career.



You are full of shit.

so that makes you an expert on gun laws?

Why exactly do you want government in my house?

 

[highland145]

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-poll-gop-voters-have-deep-concerns-about-government/

92% support for universal background checks by this measure. Different wording in other polls changes the percentages of course, but the overall trend is very clear: absolutely overwhelming popularity.

Curious numbers.

While four in ten Republicans think that gun sale laws should be made stricter, just under half think they should be kept as they are.Only 29 percent of very conservative Republicans want stricter gun laws, and they are more likely to support making gun laws less strict.

While just 39 percent of Republicans think stricter gun laws would have at least some impact on gun violence

87% for checks, 50% keep the laws the same, 59% stricter gun laws won't do much.

Most important problems facing the country:

Guns/protect our 2nd amendment: total 3%, R *, D 5%, I 2%

Why would any Dem/I think protecting the 2nd is the most important problem and not a "single nut" job R?

fyi: 1289 respondents.




traashman, give me some time to go through those. I do agree with the humiliation/bullying point. Had a very similar situation in the local middle school. 11yo boy brings gun for a 12yo girl to shoot her bully.

 

[HumblePie]

I was in the Navy. If you are in the Navy and assigned to a ship you will carry a gun one or more times each week while you're in port and you will attend firearms qualifications and training of various sorts several times a year on 9mm, shotguns, and M-14s for the most part. I think that qualifies as 'reasonably often'.

The vast majority of people who enter the Navy are assigned to a ship for most if not all of their first enlistment and then on and off every few years for the rest of their career.



You are full of shit.

Funny, I have several family members that were and are still in the navy. Unless they were on a ship that tended to go to port in places that weren't allied nations, they didn't carry guns when they left the boat. Many countries won't even let them off the boat if they were carrying small arms. So again, full of shit. In the navy, unless you are part of a seal team, or a seebee, you aren't dealing with small arms on a regular basis as a navy member.

But hey, others have similar experiences with answers I just stated.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110529221913AA0j8ro
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080414114440AANuH2S
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-406242.html

Basically, unless your job requires it in the Navy, you don't carry a firearm at all. It's not allowed. I also know you aren't allowed to carry, unless your job demands it, on any Naval port on US soil. There is no requirement for firearms training beyond basic training for the navy unless your job requires it either. As you can read in the DONI. https://doni.daps.dla.mil/allinstructions.aspx
But please go on about how your experience completely differs from everyone else that has ever been in the Navy and differs from their own rules and regulations which are easily found and read online.