Obama Throwing UK Down The Well (No Room Under The Bus) With Israel

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People in UK accept that BP caused a leak (with American workers) but they see company as multinational with only 10k of BP's 80k workers living in Britain. However 12% of annual dividends in UK pensions come from BP and they don't see the point in ruining the company (for politics) along with the Gulf.

People/media in UK felt sure long ago that Obama didn't care for England but know they are seeing him as hostile and willing to harm UK to score points at home (and they know he's doing more demonizing than fixing). So much for new respect abroad.

A sampling:


"Obama’s antagonism to BP is rooted in desperation and prejudice"

"To all bar Tony Hayward, it is clear that BP is finished in America. A Macarthyite degree of opprobrium has been cast against the interloper. As Matthew Lynn notes, BP’s PR flunkies are grovelling across the networks, apologising in that singularly lachrymose British fashion. They should stop demeaning themselves and fight back. BP is to blame for the leak, but it is being demonised by an American President whose desperate populism and prejudice is masquerading as principled leadership; it is the latest British institution to be victimised by Barack Obama...

Obama’s victory was a great historical moment. British goodwill and respect for the significance of Obama’s achievement has been repaid with scorn. Hundreds of British troops have perished and been maimed fighting an American war that Obama has escalated. The sacrifices of his closest and most willing ally were marked by asserting that Argentina has a right to the Falkland Islands. Ironic really - given that the islanders voted overwhelmingly to remain British, and that Obama recently told West Point graduates that ‘America succeeded by steering those currents (of cooperation) in the direction of liberty and justice’.


That’s hypocrisy and hypocrisy is bred of prejudice. Obama dislikes Britain and the British. Dreams From My Father was an exercise in Anglo-phobia: none of the accusations therein have been substantiated yet they colour his diplomacy. His immediate return of the Churchill bust that sat in the Oval Office was a slight but subtle statement of intent. Obama deals with British politicians contemptuously. No matter how absurd, foreign politicians deserve respect on the international stage: having Gordon Brown chase around after him was as callous as it was hilarious. In the case of BP, contempt has become hectoring. Initiating a criminal investigation denotes Obama’s political impotence, vanity and arrogance. His divisive conduct offends the dignity of his office, but it also shows a complete disregard for the globalised world in favour of narrow political interest. BP should fight back, both for its British and American shareholders and employees - the leader of the free world has other things on his mind."

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6066673/obamas-antagonism-to-bp-is-rooted-in-prejudice.thtml

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"America's ALWAYS tried to do down Britain"


Has the worm turned at last? As the oil continues to gush in the Gulf of Mexico, angry rhetoric has gushed from President Barack Obama's lips. His rabid denunciations of BP have damaged the interests not only of that company but of most British people, in a way that must make us wonder whether he leads a friendly country.

Vince Cable, the new Business Secretary, calls Obama's rhetoric 'extreme and unhelpful'; London mayor Boris Johnson says it's 'anti-British', adding that 'BP is paying a very, very heavy price indeed'.

Bemusingly, David Cameron says only that he understands the U.S. administration's 'frustration', although he promises to take up the matter with Obama, after the Prime Minister returns from Afghanistan - where British troops are fighting and dying on behalf of the United States, it may be recalled.

'Extreme and unhelpful' is no exaggeration. Obama has played to the gallery by saying that he would like to sack Tony Hayward, head of BP; the president talks in a cheap way about 'kicking ass'. Whether or not the American president can kick our asses, he can certainly hurt our wallets and purses.

As BP's share price has plummeted, it has lost ?55billion of its market value, and the company's entire outlook is very bleak, which affects most of us. Every British insurance company, building society and pension fund has large holdings of BP shares in its portfolio.

If you have a pension, at present or in prospect, your income falls with every sour word Obama speaks. It's a fine way for a friend to behave, if indeed we should regard the president as a friend...


When Obama continually refers to BP as 'British Petroleum', which is no longer its formal name, he is saying something revealing about himself, and his Anglophobic spite will come as no surprise to those who have followed his career, and read his memoir Dreams From my Father.

He seems to have made up the part about his father being tortured by the British in Kenya, but there's no question that Obama nurses a disdain for and even dislike of this country.


A year ago Gordon Brown visited Washington to be publicly humiliated by Obama (remember the exchange of gifts: thoughtful presents for the president and his children, trashy DVDs and toys for the Browns in return).

If a dark cloud of oil can now have a silver lining, then it might at least lead us to reassess our ignoble relationship with Washington. If the American president is going to ignore or even damage British interests, then let him.

But might not our own government stand up for those interests? For a start, some of the money we've all lost through the BP debacle, and presidential venom, could at least be recouped by bringing our troops home from a hopeless American war in Afghanistan."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-spill-ire-Americas-ALWAYS-tried-Britain.html

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DEBATE: SHOULD BARACK OBAMA STOP HIS ANTI-BRITISH RANTS?

BARACK Obama was today accused of delivering a death blow to the pensions of millions of Britons by calling on BP to halt its share payouts.


There were demands for David Cameron to get tough with the US President over his increasingly anti-*British rhetoric, which has helped to wipe billions of pounds off the value of the oil giant.

Grandstanding US politicians have been quick to join Barack Obama in savaging BP over the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, fuelling suggestions that he is using a foreign company to score domestic political points.

Investors and business leaders in Britain warned that the President’s ranting criticism had helped drive BP’s London share price to its lowest level since 1997, wiping out almost ?50billion ? nearly half ? of its value since the accident on April 20. The share price plunged a further seven per cent yesterday."


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180421/DEBATE-Should-Barack-Obama-stop-his-anti-British-rants-





 

flavio

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Fuck BP.

But right, anyone who happens to call them British Petroleum is obviously a racist.

British Petroleum....HOW DARE YOU! LOL.

People/media in UK felt sure long ago that Obama didn't care for England

Is there a couple reliable polls somewhere or is this completely made up?
 

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So, let me get this straight...

People (British) are blaming our President for ruining BP's stock, and are somehow ignoring their (BP's) vast number of safety regulation failures and the recent catastrophic spill.

That's a good one.

Also, what does Israel have to do with any of this (why's it in the title)?
 

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The owners of the company pay for it's mistakes, those dividends were paid from BP's profits. The BP shareholders were profiting from BP's endangering of our ecology. If BP makes a mess, it has to pay for it, which means less profits or more losses, and no dividends. We should not let BP get away with destroying our Gulf (and East) coasts because the Brits are counting on it being profitable. It has nothing to do with prejudice. If Exxon destroyed the British coastline, they would have no problem with it cutting dividends to US pensioners to pay for the cleanup.
 

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So, let me get this straight...

People (British) are blaming our President for ruining BP's stock, and are somehow ignoring their (BP's) vast number of safety regulation failures and the recent catastrophic spill.

That's a good one.

Also, what does Israel have to do with any of this (why's it in the title)?

Well keep in mind Obama's admin nominated BP for a safety award just before spill.

Especially keep in mind Obama doesn't even care about the spill. It's an opportunity to demonize and exacerbate a crisis to create a political opportunity - a reason he and Dems are pursuing a new energy/climate bill with more vigor than a fix for the spill.

UK is like Israel in that they are two allies Obama obvioulsy personally dislikes (and they know it).

Obama's foreign policy seems to be just like Rev Wright's (hates white Europeans and Jews).
 

UberNeuman

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So, let me get this straight...

People (British) are blaming our President for ruining BP's stock, and are somehow ignoring their (BP's) vast number of safety regulation failures and the recent catastrophic spill.

That's a good one.

Also, what does Israel have to do with any of this (why's it in the title)?

I don't know, man; but don't let it get in the way of an outrage...
 

Danube

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The owners of the company pay for it's mistakes, those dividends were paid from BP's profits. The BP shareholders were profiting from BP's endangering of our ecology. If BP makes a mess, it has to pay for it, which means less profits or more losses, and no dividends. We should not let BP get away with destroying our Gulf (and East) coasts because the Brits are counting on it being profitable. It has nothing to do with prejudice. If Exxon destroyed the British coastline, they would have no problem with it cutting dividends to US pensioners to pay for the cleanup.

Nobody even knows if BP was only one at fault. Haliburton maybe? Damages are being made worse because Obama has resisted helping states like Louisiana. There is an aspect of negligence law that distinguishes between an original event and other things that aggravate it to make it worse. Obama could he seen as liable as BP in some ways .

Who could blame UK for pulling troops and saving money while Kid Crisis beats the shit out of them.

Obama has just thugged up a bad situation and made it worse. He's totally over-played the demonization card while under playing the assistance card. No surprise knowing Obama.

Since Obama already oinked Eastern Europe I expect he'll screw France and Germany some how in the future.
 

CanOWorms

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Corporate power often has too much influence on American government, but European governments revel in it. BP and the UK, France and Airbus, etc. An attack on BP is effectively an attack on the UK government.

Hopefully a missile strike on Big Ben and Buckingham Palace may be next if the British politicians dare to retaliate.

Is there a couple reliable polls somewhere or is this completely made up?

I've never seen polls, but it has been reported on quite a bit. The British have been extremely worried since Obama came on the scene. They tortured Obama's grandfather, including squeezing his testicles with metal rods.

It's amazing how the British history of colonialism is coming back to destroy them.
 

flavio

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Especially keep in mind Obama doesn't even care about the spill.

More made up crap.

a reason he and Dems are pursuing a new energy/climate bill with more vigor than a fix for the spill.

The fix is being pursued vigorously. The crisis also underscores the need to get away from oil.

UK is like Israel in that they are two allies Obama obvioulsy personally dislikes

More made up crap.
 

flavio

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I've never seen polls, but it has been reported on quite a bit. The British have been extremely worried since Obama came on the scene.

Just about everyone I met in London had a very high opinion of Obama.
 

CanOWorms

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Well keep in mind Obama's admin nominated BP for a safety award just before spill.

Especially keep in mind Obama doesn't even care about the spill. It's an opportunity to demonize and exacerbate a crisis to create a political opportunity - a reason he and Dems are pursuing a new energy/climate bill with more vigor than a fix for the spill.

UK is like Israel in that they are two allies Obama obvioulsy personally dislikes (and they know it).

Obama's foreign policy seems to be just like Rev Wright's (hates white Europeans and Jews).

The UK has never been a real ally. They've a liability, especially in the future when they get eaten up by the rest of the world.
 

Danube

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I don't know, man; but don't let it get in the way of an outrage...


Israel and UK aren't only former allies to get dumped on. This pattern has been obvious awhile

From last March
Allies everywhere feeling snubbed by President Obama



The contretemps between President Obama and Israel needs to be seen in a broader global context. The president who ran against "unilateralism" in the 2008 campaign has worse relations overall with American allies than George W. Bush did in his second term.

Israelis shouldn't feel that they have been singled out. In Britain, people are talking about the end of the "special relationship" with America and worrying that Obama has no great regard for the British, despite their ongoing sacrifices in Afghanistan. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy has openly criticized Obama for months (and is finally being rewarded with a private dinner, presumably to mend fences). In Eastern and Central Europe, there has been fear since the administration canceled long-planned missile defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic that the United States may no longer be a reliable guarantor of security. Among top E.U. officials there is consternation that neither the president nor even his Cabinet seems to have time for the European Union's new president, Herman Van Rompuy, who, while less than scintillating, is nevertheless the chosen representative of the post-Lisbon Treaty continent. Europeans in general, while still fond of Obama, have concluded that he is not so fond of them -- despite his six trips to Europe -- and is more of an Asian president. ..

The Asians, however, are not so sure. ..


The president has shown seemingly limitless patience with the Russians as they stall an arms-control deal that could have been done in December. He accepted a year of Iranian insults and refusal to negotiate before hesitantly moving toward sanctions. The administration continues to woo Syria and Burma without much sign of reciprocation in Damascus or Rangoon. Yet Obama angrily orders a near-rupture of relations with Israel for a minor infraction like the recent settlement dispute -- and after the Israeli prime minister publicly apologized.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/16/AR2010031603322.html


 

Danube

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The UK has never been a real ally. They've a liability, especially in the future when they get eaten up by the rest of the world.


They have 10,000 troops in Afghanistan and they fought in Iraq (not a war I supported btw). They aren't exactly aloof.
 

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What happens if BP can't stop the broken pipe until August or even much later and possiably not at all . BP won't pay . That South African seerer that predicted the destruction of London by what appears to be nukes. Haven't really thought about who does it . But its starting to look like it maybe us.

With what the future King said recently . Its looking like we stay with israel but not looking like the britts will . Bombs away.
 

CanOWorms

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Just about everyone I met in London had a very high opinion of Obama.

That may be right, but among the press and politicians there has been serious worries. They say because of his background he lacks any sort of connection with the UK. Many British politicians have been freaking out, claiming that there is no special relationship any more, etc.
 

CanOWorms

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They have 10,000 troops in Afghanistan and they fought in Iraq (not a war I supported btw). They aren't exactly aloof.

Both are situations created via British history of colonialism. You're just showing how big of a liability they are.
 

CanOWorms

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What happens if BP can't stop the broken pipe until August or even much later and possiably not at all . BP won't pay . That South African seerer that predicted the destruction of London by what appears to be nukes. Haven't really thought about who does it . But its starting to look like it maybe us.

With what the future King said recently . Its looking like we stay with israel but not looking like the britts will . Bombs away.

They obviously own the UK government. We can take the Inbred Queen's jewels.
 

flavio

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Israel and UK aren't only former allies to get dumped on. This pattern has been obvious awhile

From last March
Allies everywhere feeling snubbed by President Obama

Great, an opinion piece that talks about how people from various countries feel without anything backing it up.
 

Danube

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That may be right, but among the press and politicians there has been serious worries. They say because of his background he lacks any sort of connection with the UK. Many British politicians have been freaking out, claiming that there is no special relationship any more, etc.

They should be told half of US doesn't even think Obama likes America either.
 

UberNeuman

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What happens if BP can't stop the broken pipe until August or even much later and possiably not at all . BP won't pay . That South African seerer that predicted the destruction of London by what appears to be nukes. Haven't really thought about who does it . But its starting to look like it maybe us.

With what the future King said recently . Its looking like we stay with israel but not looking like the britts will . Bombs away.

:rolleyes:
 

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I can't really agree with this assessment. Whether the fault lies completely with BP or with its contractors, it's still BP's fault as the responsible party. While I agree that Obama is clearly an Anglophobe, I don't think blaming BP for its own disaster is unreasonable. Protecting BP (especially considering the million bucks Obama received from its brass) from the consequences (even granted that all the facts aren't in, even to save British pensioners and American retirement accounts) would seem to me to be much more unreasonable. And yes, I agree that BP is probably finished in the United States - although it could still buy off enough CongressCritters to save itself.
 

flavio

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That may be right, but among the press and politicians there has been serious worries. They say because of his background he lacks any sort of connection with the UK.

I don't know who "they" is but most Americans lack any connection with the UK.

Many British politicians have been freaking out, claiming that there is no special relationship any more, etc.

Many? Most? A few?

I see nothing indicating large numbers of politicians freaking out.
 

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Well keep in mind Obama's admin nominated BP for a safety award just before spill.

Especially keep in mind Obama doesn't even care about the spill. It's an opportunity to demonize and exacerbate a crisis to create a political opportunity - a reason he and Dems are pursuing a new energy/climate bill with more vigor than a fix for the spill.

UK is like Israel in that they are two allies Obama obvioulsy personally dislikes (and they know it).

Obama's foreign policy seems to be just like Rev Wright's (hates white Europeans and Jews).

So Obama was giving BP an award before the oil spill but now that he's criticizing them for causing the largest oil spill in our history he hates the British? OK. That makes perfect sense.

How about instead of this BS you find a quote from him where he talks about his hatred of the British and not just a company? Because if hating on BP = Hating the Brits well...fuck the British!