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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corbett

How many people does Obama really need to travel with him to visit his dying grandmother? He suspended his campaign so all he really needed was his family and whatever Secret Service he needed for protection.

And like I said, nobody is claiming that he shouldn't have gone to visit her. What I am claiming is that its just as wasteful for him to use his campaign plane and money to visit her and people like you will give him a free pass on it. However, those same people raise all hell when Palin gets a clothing budget to use during the campaign. Its hypocrisy, simple as that.
One person is campaigning as an 'average joe', the other is not. Hint: This is why one of them spending $150,000 on clothes is hypocritical, and for the other it would not be.

Obama did not suspend his campaign in the same way that you are thinking. McCain stupidly decided to shut his whole deal down, he claimed he was pulling his ads, everything. Obama did no such thing, he just said that he himself was going to step off the campaign trail, and that's what he did. Of course he still needs to direct his campaign, and his staffers are still very useful to have around. He just wanted to spend some time to see a dying old lady, does everything really need to be this low?
Obama DID suspend his campaign, he even announced he was doing so.
No... he didn't. He said that he himself was going to suspend campaigning to go back, but it was specifically mentioned that all other aspects of his campaign were going to continue. You know the difference between someone campaigning, and their campaign, right?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corbett

How many people does Obama really need to travel with him to visit his dying grandmother? He suspended his campaign so all he really needed was his family and whatever Secret Service he needed for protection.

And like I said, nobody is claiming that he shouldn't have gone to visit her. What I am claiming is that its just as wasteful for him to use his campaign plane and money to visit her and people like you will give him a free pass on it. However, those same people raise all hell when Palin gets a clothing budget to use during the campaign. Its hypocrisy, simple as that.
One person is campaigning as an 'average joe', the other is not. Hint: This is why one of them spending $150,000 on clothes is hypocritical, and for the other it would not be.

Obama did not suspend his campaign in the same way that you are thinking. McCain stupidly decided to shut his whole deal down, he claimed he was pulling his ads, everything. Obama did no such thing, he just said that he himself was going to step off the campaign trail, and that's what he did. Of course he still needs to direct his campaign, and his staffers are still very useful to have around. He just wanted to spend some time to see a dying old lady, does everything really need to be this low?
Obama DID suspend his campaign, he even announced he was doing so.
No... he didn't. He said that he himself was going to suspend campaigning to go back, but it was specifically mentioned that all other aspects of his campaign were going to continue. You know the difference between someone campaigning, and their campaign, right?
I get it. So what he was saying was that he was suspending his campaign, but not really. Got it!

In any case, distract all you want, it doesn't excuse your and others here excusing Obama using campaign funds for personal use, but not Palin.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: cyclohexane
The more this thread drags on, the more apparent that the op is a complete asshole.
For comparing the two situations? I get it. Its ok when YOUR side does it, just not when the other side does.
 

MaxisOne

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corbett

How many people does Obama really need to travel with him to visit his dying grandmother? He suspended his campaign so all he really needed was his family and whatever Secret Service he needed for protection.

And like I said, nobody is claiming that he shouldn't have gone to visit her. What I am claiming is that its just as wasteful for him to use his campaign plane and money to visit her and people like you will give him a free pass on it. However, those same people raise all hell when Palin gets a clothing budget to use during the campaign. Its hypocrisy, simple as that.
One person is campaigning as an 'average joe', the other is not. Hint: This is why one of them spending $150,000 on clothes is hypocritical, and for the other it would not be.

Obama did not suspend his campaign in the same way that you are thinking. McCain stupidly decided to shut his whole deal down, he claimed he was pulling his ads, everything. Obama did no such thing, he just said that he himself was going to step off the campaign trail, and that's what he did. Of course he still needs to direct his campaign, and his staffers are still very useful to have around. He just wanted to spend some time to see a dying old lady, does everything really need to be this low?
Obama DID suspend his campaign, he even announced he was doing so.
Can you provide the quote and proper context please for the assertion you just made ?

And as for your comparison..
there are very large descrepancies

Lets look at error in judgement..

Your Barack Obama presidential candidate... your grandmother who raised you is in the twilight of her days and you MUST see her.
As a presidential candidate you MUST .. again .. YOU MUST be provided with security at all times. You are travelling with an entourage and you are travelling with a press corp.

Taking all these considerations into play, especially the logistics of security for a presidential candidate what options do you have ?

A. Take the present aircraft and flight crew that is already prepped .. paid for and is Secret Service/FBI/CIA cleared.

B. Run the risk of having your grandmother die on you while you wait days/weeks to source a new smaller (potentially not even feasable for the range required aircraft) for Secret Service and FBI clearances for both the Aircraft and a brand new flight crew. What i just prevously mentioned cost money for those checks and such ... not to mention the leasing of an additional aircraft.
Also Please make note that while your original aircraft sits idle you may still have to pay the lease on it depending if its calculated by hours flown or days leased, you for sure will have to pay the airport parking fees on it. .. and if its a wet lease .. you will have to pay the crew too.

C. Fly commercial coach and risk being mobbed/attacked at the airport (This is a non starter)

If you have any other solutions to this conundrum please provide..


In Sarah Palins case.

Sarah Palin needed new clothes ... Why she needed new clothing is a dubious argument at best but ill entertain it for these purposes.

Her campaign decided that they will go shopping for her... Fine, no problem. What were the campaign's shopping choices ?

A. High end stores such as Neiman Marcus, Valentino, Louis Vuitton,Saks Fifth Avenue

B. Middle of the road stores such as Macys, Bloomindales, Lord & Taylor

C. A small and reasonable bespoke tailoring boutique shops (My mother owns one)

D. Arrange them to be campaign donations (if that is legal which at this point i highly doubt but ill put it in there if it is possible)


Here is my solution to this issue.

Choice B.. at first ...
Then Choice C over time since the clothing would be custom and better fitting.

The Mccain/Palin campaign chose A... exclusively



Objectively Corbett: Who used better judgment here ?

Why again is this even an issue?

One candidate had very little option .. so the choice was logical and straightforward .. the other had many options and choices and yes i am acutely aware that Mrs. Palin did not do the shopping herself and this is why i say her campaign. However, that does not completly absolve her from some responsibility however.. she had the option to refuse or direct her minder in getting clothing that was more appropriate to the "message of the campaign".
 

Eeezee

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This is a simple matter

Sarah Palin claims to be a middle class American, despite being upper class. Making $200k/year might be piddly in New York City, but in Alaska it's a fortune. When she spends more than $150k to fly to New York and buy clothing and makeup, she's being a hypocrite. That's a big deal.

Barrack Obama never claimed to be middle class. He has even pointed out that his tax plan will cost him more taxes because he makes a lot more than most people. He's not pretending to be something he's not. When he takes the plane to Hawaii, it's not hypocritical because he has never indicated that he's just your average guy. That's the distinctinon.

Get it?

Frankly, I think it's important that the president be well above average in many subjects, but somehow mediocrity has become the Republicans' campaign slogan.

Edit: Furthermore, I never gave a shit about her shopping spree, that was drummed up by the media for better ratings. The problem I have is that the OP is trying to compare apples to oranges.

Let's also remember that Obama is based mostly on private donations, 47% of donations to Obama were less than $200. Individual contributions make up 100% of Obama's campaign. The GOP, on the other hand, is dipping into public funds for a portion of McCain's campaign. Thus, taxpayer dollars are helping to fund Palin's wardrobe, whereas private donations are sending Obama to Hawaii. Do you see a difference?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
This is a simple matter

Sarah Palin claims to be a middle class American, despite being upper class. Making $200k/year might be piddly in New York City, but in Alaska it's a fortune. When she spends more than $150k to fly to New York and buy clothing and makeup, she's being a hypocrite. That's a big deal.

Barrack Obama never claimed to be middle class. He has even pointed out that his tax plan will cost him more taxes because he makes a lot more than most people. He's not pretending to be something he's not. When he takes the plane to Hawaii, it's not hypocritical because he has never indicated that he's just your average guy. That's the distinctinon.

Get it?
Yeah I get it. You like to ensue that because Palin is given $150,000 to send on clothes for the campaign by the RNC, she somehow is not middle-class. You are just plain wrong. She was given the clothes for campaign. She didnt spend her own money on it.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Let's also remember that Obama is based mostly on private donations, 47% of donations to Obama were less than $200. Individual contributions make up 100% of Obama's campaign. The GOP, on the other hand, is dipping into public funds for a portion of McCain's campaign. Thus, taxpayer dollars are helping to fund Palin's wardrobe, whereas private donations are sending Obama to Hawaii. Do you see a difference?
I knew you would bring this up. So because Obama lied when he said he WOULD use the public finance system, and then changed his mind once he had the nomination, he is ok to spend the money however he wants. But since McCain/Palin receive at least SOME money from the public like McCain said they would do, its your right to criticize how they spend it.
 

ModerateRepZero

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apparently Democrats aren't the only ones dismayed about Palin's shopping spree:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/165666


The disclosure that the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothing and accessories for vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family set off recriminations among GOP officials?and, more important, party donors. It wasn't just the volume of the purchases?which included new dresses for Palin, suits for husband Todd and outfits for her children?it was the use of swanky stores like Neiman Marcus. One top party fundraiser told NEWSWEEK that, ever since the story broke on Politico.com, he was bombarded with calls from Republican donors who were "furious" that their contributions were used for such purposes. "This has damaged everybody's credibility," griped the fundraiser (who asked not to be identified talking about party business). Among those upset was Saul Anuzis, the Michigan Republican Party chairman, still smarting over McCain's decision to pull out of his state. "I have no idea how you spend $150,000 on clothes," he says. Lobbyist Andrea McWilliams, a GOP fundraiser in Texas, said the flap undercut the party's message. Palin's "transformation from low couture to haute couture isn't the kind of change that voters had in mind," she said.

The decision to greenlight the purchases was made after Palin arrived in Minneapolis for the Republican Party convention. Campaign aides quickly concluded that she lacked the necessary wardrobe for two months of intensive national campaigning. "She didn't have the fancy pantsuits that Hillary Clinton has," explained one staffer (who, like most others interviewed for this account, declined to be identified speaking about the episode). The problem was figuring out how to pay for new dresswear: the 2002 McCain-Feingold law, co-authored by the GOP candidate, tightened the rules to ban using campaign funds for personal clothing. While Jeff Larson, a veteran GOP consultant who headed the party's "host" committee, provided his credit card for the Palin family shopping spree, he was directed to send the bills over to the Republican National Committee (which was not covered by the clothing ban in McCain-Feingold). RNC officials were not happy about it. "We were explicitly directed by the campaign to pay these costs," said one senior RNC official who also requested anonymity. After at first declining to comment, a McCain spokeswoman said the clothes would be donated to charity after the campaign was over.

Palin said she was getting a bum rap. "If people knew how frugal we are," she said. She told Fox News that her "favorite" store is an Anchorage consignment shop called Out of the Closet. Still, some of the disgruntled party donors said her claim of frugality was hard to square with the details in campaign spending reports, such as the $75,062 one-day tab at the Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, and $4,902 spent at Atelier New York (a high-end men's store). One veteran GOP consultant (who also requested anonymity) said the real puzzle among his peers is why Larson didn't find a way to disguise the expenses, at least until after the election. Larson declined to comment.
 

evident

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op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
apparently Democrats aren't the only ones dismayed about Palin's shopping spree:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/165666


The disclosure that the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothing and accessories for vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family set off recriminations among GOP officials?and, more important, party donors. It wasn't just the volume of the purchases?which included new dresses for Palin, suits for husband Todd and outfits for her children?it was the use of swanky stores like Neiman Marcus. One top party fundraiser told NEWSWEEK that, ever since the story broke on Politico.com, he was bombarded with calls from Republican donors who were "furious" that their contributions were used for such purposes. "This has damaged everybody's credibility," griped the fundraiser (who asked not to be identified talking about party business). Among those upset was Saul Anuzis, the Michigan Republican Party chairman, still smarting over McCain's decision to pull out of his state. "I have no idea how you spend $150,000 on clothes," he says. Lobbyist Andrea McWilliams, a GOP fundraiser in Texas, said the flap undercut the party's message. Palin's "transformation from low couture to haute couture isn't the kind of change that voters had in mind," she said.

The decision to greenlight the purchases was made after Palin arrived in Minneapolis for the Republican Party convention. Campaign aides quickly concluded that she lacked the necessary wardrobe for two months of intensive national campaigning. "She didn't have the fancy pantsuits that Hillary Clinton has," explained one staffer (who, like most others interviewed for this account, declined to be identified speaking about the episode). The problem was figuring out how to pay for new dresswear: the 2002 McCain-Feingold law, co-authored by the GOP candidate, tightened the rules to ban using campaign funds for personal clothing. While Jeff Larson, a veteran GOP consultant who headed the party's "host" committee, provided his credit card for the Palin family shopping spree, he was directed to send the bills over to the Republican National Committee (which was not covered by the clothing ban in McCain-Feingold). RNC officials were not happy about it. "We were explicitly directed by the campaign to pay these costs," said one senior RNC official who also requested anonymity. After at first declining to comment, a McCain spokeswoman said the clothes would be donated to charity after the campaign was over.

Palin said she was getting a bum rap. "If people knew how frugal we are," she said. She told Fox News that her "favorite" store is an Anchorage consignment shop called Out of the Closet. Still, some of the disgruntled party donors said her claim of frugality was hard to square with the details in campaign spending reports, such as the $75,062 one-day tab at the Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, and $4,902 spent at Atelier New York (a high-end men's store). One veteran GOP consultant (who also requested anonymity) said the real puzzle among his peers is why Larson didn't find a way to disguise the expenses, at least until after the election. Larson declined to comment.
Well there you go.

 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Eeezee
This is a simple matter

Sarah Palin claims to be a middle class American, despite being upper class. Making $200k/year might be piddly in New York City, but in Alaska it's a fortune. When she spends more than $150k to fly to New York and buy clothing and makeup, she's being a hypocrite. That's a big deal.

Barrack Obama never claimed to be middle class. He has even pointed out that his tax plan will cost him more taxes because he makes a lot more than most people. He's not pretending to be something he's not. When he takes the plane to Hawaii, it's not hypocritical because he has never indicated that he's just your average guy. That's the distinctinon.

Get it?
Yeah I get it. You like to ensue that because Palin is given $150,000 to send on clothes for the campaign by the RNC, she somehow is not middle-class. You are just plain wrong. She was given the clothes for campaign. She didnt spend her own money on it.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Let's also remember that Obama is based mostly on private donations, 47% of donations to Obama were less than $200. Individual contributions make up 100% of Obama's campaign. The GOP, on the other hand, is dipping into public funds for a portion of McCain's campaign. Thus, taxpayer dollars are helping to fund Palin's wardrobe, whereas private donations are sending Obama to Hawaii. Do you see a difference?
I knew you would bring this up. So because Obama lied when he said he WOULD use the public finance system, and then changed his mind once he had the nomination, he is ok to spend the money however he wants. But since McCain/Palin receive at least SOME money from the public like McCain said they would do, its your right to criticize how they spend it.
Palin's candidacy is centered around her being an "average" American. It's extremely hypocritical for her to make that claim and then receive $150,000 in clothes. Nobody would give a damn about Palin's clothes if she didn't continually try to market herself as a middle class American.

Obama has never claimed he's an average American and doesn't base his campaign around just being another one of the guys (or girls).
 

umbrella39

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*plonk* the fool. He is obviously trolling. There has been ample posts showing how retarded this thread is and the OP is just too stuck on stupid to even bother reading them. His ilk will have all died off soon enough. Good riddance.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Eeezee
This is a simple matter

Sarah Palin claims to be a middle class American, despite being upper class. Making $200k/year might be piddly in New York City, but in Alaska it's a fortune. When she spends more than $150k to fly to New York and buy clothing and makeup, she's being a hypocrite. That's a big deal.

Barrack Obama never claimed to be middle class. He has even pointed out that his tax plan will cost him more taxes because he makes a lot more than most people. He's not pretending to be something he's not. When he takes the plane to Hawaii, it's not hypocritical because he has never indicated that he's just your average guy. That's the distinctinon.

Get it?
Yeah I get it. You like to ensue that because Palin is given $150,000 to send on clothes for the campaign by the RNC, she somehow is not middle-class. You are just plain wrong. She was given the clothes for campaign. She didnt spend her own money on it.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Let's also remember that Obama is based mostly on private donations, 47% of donations to Obama were less than $200. Individual contributions make up 100% of Obama's campaign. The GOP, on the other hand, is dipping into public funds for a portion of McCain's campaign. Thus, taxpayer dollars are helping to fund Palin's wardrobe, whereas private donations are sending Obama to Hawaii. Do you see a difference?
I knew you would bring this up. So because Obama lied when he said he WOULD use the public finance system, and then changed his mind once he had the nomination, he is ok to spend the money however he wants. But since McCain/Palin receive at least SOME money from the public like McCain said they would do, its your right to criticize how they spend it.
Palin's candidacy is centered around her being an "average" American. It's extremely hypocritical for her to make that claim and then receive $150,000 in clothes. Nobody would give a damn about Palin's clothes if she didn't continually try to market herself as a middle class American.

Obama has never claimed he's an average American and doesn't base his campaign around just being another one of the guys (or girls).
But she IS a middle class American. Now she is running for VP and so she was GIVEN a large budget to use on clothes for appearances sake. If she had enough money to buy it herself, you would have a point. But the campaign payed for it and therefore you point has no merit.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
*plonk* the fool. He is obviously trolling. There has been ample posts showing how retarded this thread is and the OP is just too stuck on stupid to even bother reading them. His ilk will have all died off soon enough. Good riddance.
More trolling from umbrella. Color me shocked.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: umbrella39
*plonk* the fool. He is obviously trolling. There has been ample posts showing how retarded this thread is and the OP is just too stuck on stupid to even bother reading them. His ilk will have all died off soon enough. Good riddance.
Please sir, can I have some more?
fixed
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?

Smaller plane and pay for it himself? I dont freaking know. The point is, people here have a double-standard when they complain about Palin spending campaign money to buy clothes, but don't complain when Obama spends campaign money to visit his sick grandmother.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?

Smaller plane and pay for it himself? I dont freaking know. The point is, people here have a double-standard when they complain about Palin spending campaign money to buy clothes, but don't complain when Obama spends campaign money to visit his sick grandmother.
Nah, you're just desperate and will try to equivocatte anything.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?

Smaller plane and pay for it himself? I dont freaking know. The point is, people here have a double-standard when they complain about Palin spending campaign money to buy clothes, but don't complain when Obama spends campaign money to visit his sick grandmother.
Nah, you're just desperate and will try to equivocatte anything.
Desperate? That would require me to care deeply about McCain winning the election, which I don't.

There is a huge equivocation between the two, most here are just too biased to admit it.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?

Smaller plane and pay for it himself? I dont freaking know. The point is, people here have a double-standard when they complain about Palin spending campaign money to buy clothes, but don't complain when Obama spends campaign money to visit his sick grandmother.
a private jet? he's going to have to get one, have the secret service check it out and all that shit it might end up costing just as much and they probably won't let him go on it either since the plane needs to go under rigorous inspection, and will probably waste him several days before he can fly out. he's a fucking presidential candidate for godsake. the secret service isn't gonna let him do whatever the hell he wants

you fail in an epic fashion
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
HOW ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET THERE

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: evident
op you are an asshole for criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother. how else was he gonna get there?
Again, for the 10th time, I am not criticizing him for visiting his dying grandmother....
the how do you propose he went about it, considering the constraints of being the a major party candidate for president.?

Smaller plane and pay for it himself? I dont freaking know. The point is, people here have a double-standard when they complain about Palin spending campaign money to buy clothes, but don't complain when Obama spends campaign money to visit his sick grandmother.
Nah, you're just desperate and will try to equivocatte anything.
Desperate? That would require me to care deeply about McCain winning the election, which I don't.

There is a huge equivocation between the two, most here are just too biased to admit it.
Doesn't matter who you are Voting for, it's the attempt to equate the $150k Purchase of Clothes to the Flying to see a gravely ill Grandmother that sucks.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: sandorski


Doesn't matter who you are Voting for, it's the attempt to equate the $150k Purchase of Clothes to the Flying to see a gravely ill Grandmother that sucks.
you know how many pairs of diesel jeans i can get for $150K?
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Eeezee
This is a simple matter

Sarah Palin claims to be a middle class American, despite being upper class. Making $200k/year might be piddly in New York City, but in Alaska it's a fortune. When she spends more than $150k to fly to New York and buy clothing and makeup, she's being a hypocrite. That's a big deal.

Barrack Obama never claimed to be middle class. He has even pointed out that his tax plan will cost him more taxes because he makes a lot more than most people. He's not pretending to be something he's not. When he takes the plane to Hawaii, it's not hypocritical because he has never indicated that he's just your average guy. That's the distinctinon.

Get it?
Yeah I get it. You like to ensue that because Palin is given $150,000 to send on clothes for the campaign by the RNC, she somehow is not middle-class. You are just plain wrong. She was given the clothes for campaign. She didnt spend her own money on it.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Let's also remember that Obama is based mostly on private donations, 47% of donations to Obama were less than $200. Individual contributions make up 100% of Obama's campaign. The GOP, on the other hand, is dipping into public funds for a portion of McCain's campaign. Thus, taxpayer dollars are helping to fund Palin's wardrobe, whereas private donations are sending Obama to Hawaii. Do you see a difference?
I knew you would bring this up. So because Obama lied when he said he WOULD use the public finance system, and then changed his mind once he had the nomination, he is ok to spend the money however he wants. But since McCain/Palin receive at least SOME money from the public like McCain said they would do, its your right to criticize how they spend it.
No, you didn't get it. Let's try this again.

Sarah Palin was never middle class in the first place. I don't see how that's difficult to understand. It's not BECAUSE she was given $150k for clothing; it's indicative of something that was already true. She didn't suddenly become upper class just because she was able to go on a shopping spree.

The Palins own a plane, two boats, two personal watercraft, a half-million-dollar custom home on a lake, an enormous 401k, and an annual income 5 times greater than the median income for Wasilla, Sarah's hometown. No big deal, right? There's a lot of wealth, at least upper middle class if they were to live in an already high-income region.

Now consider where they live. For Alaskan residents, they're upper class. There's nothing middle class about them, unless they were to move into a more expensive area (New York City, for instance, and they're suddenly going to be forced into middle class living). Class standing is only really relative to your location; $100k/year is a fortune in some regions, a pittance in others. In Alaska, the Palins are upper class.

To claim that she is middle class is at best delusional. For her to accept $150k for clothes after claiming to be middle class is at best hypocritical.

Compare this to Obama, who has never claimed to be a middle class Average Joe. Taking a plane to Hawaii really isn't ludicrous at all.

NOW do you get it?

Ask yourself this: would you be this outraged if it was Sarah Palin taking the flight to see her dead grandmother? Who gives a shit if he's seeing his grandmother? Frankly, we're in the last week of campaigning and the people have already spoken. There is less than a 5% chance that McCain can still win. Taking a break to see his dying grandmother is perfectly reasonable (yeah, he's flying on a big plane, but you really can't take a small plane direct to Hawaii)
 

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