Obama supports extending Patriot act provisions.

[AAjax]

Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions

"The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives."

Well, I guess this shouldn't be any big surprise as he voted to extend once before. Oh well, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Change we can believe in.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[SAWYER]

Bush obviously is twisting his arm on the issue

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Change we can believe in.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Oh it's change. Obama will just use the laws against citizens and while dropping charges/surveillance against the people the act was originally aimed at. Obama has already done as much before. Obama and Holder haven't met a terrorist or militant they seem to hold in less esteem than the US itself.

Recall libs cried when Obama kept the "faith based initiatives" of Bush not realizing Obama would just flip them into weird entities with people like Harry Knox on them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Damn those crazy tea parties opposing our secure galactic empire.

OP, you missed an opportunity to ask P&N in a poll what they think of the continued extension of the Patriot Act by the Democrats.

 

[DaveSimmons]

And then he'll put RFID chips into all of us so we can be tracked wherever we go. It's true!


... but ignoring the nutty paranoia it's sad to see Obama continuing more bad ideas from the Bush administration.

 

[Engineer]

I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

 

[TruePaige]

Sigh...

Won't they ever just throw out the Patriot Act? It is total horse shit.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about the damn Patriot Act and you knew that too. Bush was 1,000 times worse and we couldn't get rid of him.

 

[jonks]

....and the rest of the article not posted in OP:

In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.

Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."

Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."

The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.

From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.

The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.

The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.

Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.

"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."

Doesn't look like these provisions have been abused thus far, unlike National Security Letters which issued demands for information and basically told the recipient that they couldn't contact anyone, even a lawyer, to discuss the subpoena. I believe thousands had been issued, and almost none ever challenged. I also believe the courts eventually threw out the provision as unconstitutional.

"Although the FBI has had the ability to issue NSLs for many years, the Patriot Act, enacted in October 2001, significantly relaxed the rules for using them while increasing the secrecy requirements. The result has been a surge in NSL requests, from fewer than 9,000 in 2000 to nearly 50,000 in 2005, according to Justice Department records."

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Sigh...

Won't they ever just throw out the Patriot Act? It is total horse shit.

Once government has power, it doesn't want to give it up.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about the damn Patriot Act and you knew that too. Bush was 1,000 times worse and we couldn't get rid of him.

And Obama is shaping up to be a clone.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jonks
....and the rest of the article not posted in OP:

In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.

Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."

Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."

The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.

From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.

The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.

The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.

Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.

"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."

Doesn't look like these provisions have been abused thus far, unlike National Security Letters which issued demands for information and basically told the recipient that they couldn't contact anyone, even a lawyer, to discuss the subpoena. I believe thousands had been issued, and almost none ever challenged. I also believe the courts eventually threw out the provision as unconstitutional.

"Although the FBI has had the ability to issue NSLs for many years, the Patriot Act, enacted in October 2001, significantly relaxed the rules for using them while increasing the secrecy requirements. The result has been a surge in NSL requests, from fewer than 9,000 in 2000 to nearly 50,000 in 2005, according to Justice Department records."

So the NSL provision has been removed?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about the damn Patriot Act and you knew that too. Bush was 1,000 times worse and we couldn't get rid of him.

And Obama is shaping up to be a clone.

oucchhh...did I just witness you throwing your hero GWB under the bus?



I kid.

really the Patriot Act needs to go the way of the dodo. And Obama's admin should recognize this.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about the damn Patriot Act and you knew that too. Bush was 1,000 times worse and we couldn't get rid of him.

And Obama is shaping up to be a clone.

oucchhh...did I just witness you throwing your hero GWB under the bus?



I kid.

really the Patriot needs to go the way of the dodo. And Obama's admin should recognize this.

When it comes to the Patriot Act, ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY. I always have.

 

[OCGuy]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

He is going to win 2012 unless a picture of him blowing Chavez in Kenya holding a Qur'an surfaces.


However, I hope congress gets their sh*t pushed in so no more unread bills can be shoved down our throat.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer


I would just assume them to throw this turd out and start over. At least they are willing to work with Congress in adding better civil liberties protections in there, but it's still a turd. Perfume on a turd doesn't make it any better.

We'd need to impeach him first before we can replace him/start over.

I'm not talking about Obama, I'm talking about the damn Patriot Act and you knew that too. Bush was 1,000 times worse and we couldn't get rid of him.

And Obama is shaping up to be a clone.

oucchhh...did I just witness you throwing your hero GWB under the bus?



I kid.

really the Patriot needs to go the way of the dodo. And Obama's admin should recognize this.

When it comes to the Patriot Act, ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY. I always have.

I don't care who anyone supports when it comes to the Patriot Act.

EVERYONE should oppose this MASSIVE intrusion on our civil liberties.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: AAjax
Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions

"The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives."

Well, I guess this shouldn't be any big surprise as he voted to extend once before. Oh well, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Word.

Well, not quite as stupid, or as evil, but just as bad for America and the world.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
And then he'll put RFID chips into all of us so we can be tracked wherever we go.

Santuary

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Sigh...

Won't they ever just throw out the Patriot Act? It is total horse shit.

Once government has power, it doesn't want to give it up.

This.

That's one of the reasons I'm against things like the patriot act and government health care. No matter how much of a disaster something turns out to be, once the government has power it will never ever give it up.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Sigh...

Won't they ever just throw out the Patriot Act? It is total horse shit.

:thumbsup:

The silence from the usual suspects here is deafening as well.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Topic Title: Obama supports extending Patriot act provisions.
Topic Summary: Wants goverment to continue to keep records of what books you read.


Well, I guess this shouldn't be any big surprise as he voted to extend once before. Oh well, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Horseshit

He has ObamaCare on the table now.

If he started working on an Obama Act to replace the Patriot Act you mother fuckers would be raising cane that he's working too many big issues at once.

I think it is a great Fuck you on Obama's part and keep loving your heroes Patriot Act.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AAjax

Topic Title: Obama supports extending Patriot act provisions.
Topic Summary: Wants goverment to continue to keep records of what books you read.


Well, I guess this shouldn't be any big surprise as he voted to extend once before. Oh well, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Horseshit

He has ObamaCare on the table now.

If he started working on an Obama Act to replace the Patriot Act you mother fuckers would be raising cane that he's working too many big issues at once.

I think it is a great Fuck you on Obama's part and keep loving your heroes Patriot Act.

I'll take lame excuses for $400, Alex!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: AAjax

Topic Title: Obama supports extending Patriot act provisions.
Topic Summary: Wants goverment to continue to keep records of what books you read.


Well, I guess this shouldn't be any big surprise as he voted to extend once before. Oh well, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Horseshit

He has ObamaCare on the table now.

If he started working on an Obama Act to replace the Patriot Act you mother fuckers would be raising cane that he's working too many big issues at once.

I think it is a great Fuck you on Obama's part and keep loving your heroes Patriot Act.

I'll take lame excuses for $400, Alex!

Cool, ready to leave the game?