Obama sets record high for deporting illegals

[PeshakJang]

Here's more news. Obama sued more companies for hiring illegals in ONE day than Bush did in 8 years.

Oh, btw, the Republican Party has always supported bringing in more workers into the US, legal or not.

Do you have any statistics on that? There was a string of a few raids, but I haven't heard of more than a couple actual lawsuits against any employers.

Although, he also filed more lawsuits against a US state for trying to verify immigrant status than any other president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/30/AR2010083004923.html

The Justice Department filed another lawsuit against immigration practices by Arizona authorities, saying Monday that a network of community colleges acted illegally in requiring noncitizens to provide their green cards before they could be hired for jobs.

 

[Generator]

See Republicans...when you actually try to govern and not ignore your responsibilities, government actually does work! When I need corruption or incompetence I'll make sure to vote (R)!

 

[PeshakJang]

See Republicans...when you actually try to govern and not ignore your responsibilities, government actually does work! When I need corruption or incompetence I'll make sure to vote (R)!

Why don't you read the entire thread there Buck-o, and get back to us.

 

[theeedude]

Here's something interesting I just found with 10 minutes of research... pretty good example of the selective statistics used in the claim that Obama has deported a record number of immigrants:

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2009/ois_yb_2009.pdf

DHS 2009 Statistics Yearbook
Notice that while Removals went up for FY 2009, Returns are as low as they have been since 1973

Difference?

Basically meaning that when an illegal alien is arrested, he can either volunteer to go home, leaving the possibility open for future return, or if he doesn't volunteer, he'll be legally ejected and barred from re-entry. Since the handbook notes that most returns are conducted by the border patrol, this is even more telling of the fact that border enforcement has significantly declined under Obama and the Democratic congress.

So basically, if you look at ALL the statistics for deportations, in Obama's first year, we deported almost 17% FEWER illegals than the year before, and since the Democrats took control of congress, total deportations have decreased dramatically.

If you pursue this like of argument, you have to then also admit that Bill Clinton was by far the best president at enforcing immigration laws.

 

[CycloWizard]

It works out very well in foreign policy. The Europeans complain far less than under Bush, despite the fact that the same Bush era national security policies are being (mostly) continued. They even gave Obama The Nobel Peace Prize. Seems like the Anti-US Europeans can mostly be satisfied with some good speeches and do not notice (or care about) the contradictions between words and actions.

Obama knows how to play them, we need Obama in a PR position once his term(s) expire.

Yep. People hear what they want to hear and never let the facts distract them.

 

[PeshakJang]

If you pursue this like of argument, you have to then also admit that Bill Clinton was by far the best president at enforcing immigration laws.

I could also argue that during the Clinton years, the numbers didn't start dramatically increasing until the Republicans had control of congress. Once the Democrats took control again towards the end of the bush admin, they started decreasing, with a very significant decrease once Obama took the presidency... again, to 1973 levels in terms of 'voluntary' returns.

 

[OCGuy]

Good. Keep it up Obama!

Send the anchor babies with them.

 

[theeedude]

I could also argue that during the Clinton years, the numbers didn't start dramatically increasing until the Republicans had control of congress. Once the Democrats took control again towards the end of the bush admin, they started decreasing, with a very significant decrease once Obama took the presidency... again, to 1973 levels in terms of 'voluntary' returns.

Executive branch enforces immigration laws not legislative.

 

[PeshakJang]

Executive branch enforces immigration laws not legislative.

Congress appropriates the funding to DHS, ICE, Border patrol, etc, which are responsible for enforcing immigration. I'd say that it has to do with both... seeing as how the President appoints people to these departments, sets the tone, and pressures them in one direction or the other... while congress still needs to appropriate the funding for increased enforcement. Maybe Clinton was more on-it with immigration... good for him. I didn't follow his presidency that closely.

Whatever the case, the FACTS show that under the Obama administration, and under the Democrat congress of the last couple years, total deportations have decreased, with border enforcement being *significantly* relaxed. That's not my opinion, that what the DHS FACTS are saying. The story from the OP, which was based on the administration coming out and touting its own accomplishments, takes one figure which went up slightly, while ignoring the other, probably more significant figure, which dropped through the floor.

 

[her209]

I didn't say record number coming, I said record high illegal immigrants as in already here.

The number of illegal immigrants residing in the US is not at a record high either.

 

[theeedude]

Congress appropriates the funding to DHS, ICE, Border patrol, etc, which are responsible for enforcing immigration. I'd say that it has to do with both... seeing as how the President appoints people to these departments, sets the tone, and pressures them in one direction or the other... while congress still needs to appropriate the funding for increased enforcement. Maybe Clinton was more on-it with immigration... good for him. I didn't follow his presidency that closely.

Whatever the case, the FACTS show that under the Obama administration, and under the Democrat congress of the last couple years, total deportations have decreased, with border enforcement being *significantly* relaxed. That's not my opinion, that what the DHS FACTS are saying. The story from the OP, which was based on the administration coming out and touting its own accomplishments, takes one figure which went up slightly, while ignoring the other, probably more significant figure, which dropped through the floor.

The Republican Congress funded INS under Bush and Clinton. The difference was Clinton, not the Congress.

 

[PeshakJang]

The Republican Congress funded INS under Bush and Clinton. The difference was Clinton, not the Congress.

OK, we can have that debate if you want... like I said, I didn't follow Clinton's admin enough to know what his immigration policies were, I'm just pointing out what the statistics say.

 

[theeedude]

OK, we can have that debate if you want... like I said, I didn't follow Clinton's admin enough to know what his immigration policies were, I'm just pointing out what the statistics say.

You don't follow Obama enough to know what his immigration policies are either.

 

[PeshakJang]

You don't follow Obama enough to know what his immigration policies are either.

Substance... that's what I like in an argument.

Come back when you can actually debate the facts.

 

[PeshakJang]

This is interesting as well...

From Napolitano:

In fiscal year 2010, ICE set a record for overall removals of illegal aliens, with more than 392,000 removals nationwide. Half of those removed-more than 195,000-were convicted criminals. The fiscal year 2010 statistics represent increases of more than 23,000 removals overall and 81,000 criminal removals compared to fiscal year 2008-a more than 70 percent increase in removal of criminal aliens from the previous administration.

Why is she comparing the FY 2010 numbers to FY 2008? Maybe because the FY 2010 number she gives is actually slightly *lower* than FY 2009, and it looks much better to compare it to 2 years ago.

Seems like that happens a lot though... GDP growth is decreasing, but hey... it is more than it was 5 quarters ago, so it's increasing!

 

[theeedude]

Substance... that's what I like in an argument.

Come back when you can actually debate the facts.

Fact is Obama deported record number of illegals.

 

[werepossum]

Fact is Obama deported record number of illegals.

Arguable. If he physically removed fewer but issued more "Deport thyself!" letters, he may well be saying he deported more while actually deporting less. In any case it matters little, as Obama is actively fighting states' attempts to fight illegal immigration and the Dems are obstructing efforts to build physical barriers, so any illegals deported can easily re-import themselves with little effort.

 

[PeshakJang]

Fact is Obama deported record number of illegals.

Eh... wrong.

Look at the numbers again. It's a flat out lie.

 

[PeshakJang]

Arguable. If he physically removed fewer but issued more "Deport thyself!" letters, he may well be saying he deported more while actually deporting less. In any case it matters little, as Obama is actively fighting states' attempts to fight illegal immigration and the Dems are obstructing efforts to build physical barriers, so any illegals deported can easily re-import themselves with little effort.

From what I have read from DHS, most of the "voluntary" removals are when the border patrol arrests somebody trying to get in, and they simply process them and return them to Mexico. Just about the only thing that can be inferred from the drastic drop in the number of these cases, is that the administration has greatly decreased enforcing the physical borders themselves.

I want to know what the numbers break down to for 2010, but those figures aren't available to view yet... but I really find it interesting that Napolitano had to compare this year's figures to figures from 2 years ago.

 

[Pens1566]

This is interesting as well...

From Napolitano:



Why is she comparing the FY 2010 numbers to FY 2008? Maybe because the FY 2010 number she gives is actually slightly *lower* than FY 2009, and it looks much better to compare it to 2 years ago.

Seems like that happens a lot though... GDP growth is decreasing, but hey... it is more than it was 5 quarters ago, so it's increasing!

Maybe because they're the last full year of Bush admin and first full year of Obama admin?

 

[PeshakJang]

Maybe because they're the last full year of Bush admin and first full year of Obama admin?

So who's responsible for 2009? If 2010 is slightly *less* than 2009, how can Napolitano claim that deportations increased to record levels? How can they claim that they've increased deportations to record levels when they ignore the previous year, in which it was higher?

 

[trenchfoot]

Obama admin deporting as many as they have is significant in and of itself. Comparisons only detract away from that fact. The fact that a substantial amount of deportations are continuing under the Obama admin should be good news, but for some odd reason, to some it's not.

And why is it that the fact that Big Business is providing most of the jobs the illegals are finding and filling hardly gets mentioned, as if they are somehow above the law and not responsible for their part in this situation?

Why is it that the righties continually ignore this little factoid that points a finger directly at them as being a defining factor in why there are millions of illegals that are able survive in a country that they should not be in.

On the one hand, the righties say Big Business needs the cheap labor to make a decent profit, yet on the other they want all the illegals deported that would deny Big Business the very slave labor they rely on to "stay in business"
.

 

[PeshakJang]

Cecilia Munoz, White House director of Intergovernmental Affairs, was making sure that the Spanish-language media understood that the new policy was good news for the great majority of illegal immigrants: "The tendency to remove those who have committed crimes is rising, and so that lowers the pressure on persons who have not committed crimes," said Munoz, a former vice president at the National Council of La Raza.

Found this elsewhere.

So Obama places a former vice-president of a racist, pro-illegal immigration organization in the White House, who then goes on to pander to said illegal immigrants, and we are supposed to believe that he has our best interests in mind?

 

[Pens1566]

So who's responsible for 2009? If 2010 is slightly *less* than 2009, how can Napolitano claim that deportations increased to record levels? How can they claim that they've increased deportations to record levels when they ignore the previous year, in which it was higher?

Because it would be an argument over which admin was responsible for what percentage of the #s. Why hassle over it? Policies didn't change from '08-09 for W or from '09-10 for Barry.

But I'm sure that people like you would argue all of '09 was because of how good a job W's admin did. You know, the same people that think that the economy was Obama's fault @12:01 on 1-21-09 ... or was it the 20th?

 

[werepossum]

Obama admin deporting as many as they have is significant in and of itself. Comparisons only detract away from that fact. The fact that a substantial amount of deportations are continuing under the Obama admin should be good news, but for some odd reason, to some it's not.

And why is it that the fact that Big Business is providing most of the jobs the illegals are finding and filling hardly gets mentioned, as if they are somehow above the law and not responsible for their part in this situation?

Why is it that the righties continually ignore this little factoid that points a finger directly at them as being a defining factor in why there are millions of illegals that are able survive in a country that they should not be in.

On the one hand, the righties say Big Business needs the cheap labor to make a decent profit, yet on the other they want all the illegals deported that would deny Big Business the very slave labor they rely on to "stay in business"
.

That might have some validity had Bush been anything other than just as bad as Obama. As far as Big Business, I've no problem with Obama suing them for breaking the law, as long as he continues deporting (really deporting, not merely issuing go-home letters) them as well.