You should know by this point that lupi is not interested by actual conversation in the slightest. All he does is troll these threads and at this point he's not even doing a very good job at that anymore. Don't bother with him.
You should know by this point that lupi is not interested by actual conversation in the slightest. All he does is troll these threads and at this point he's not even doing a very good job at that anymore. Don't bother with him.
lupi HUSSEIN al-lupi -- You can guess all you want, but when you insist on attempting to distract attention from the issues and promoting the LIE that Obama's middle name somehow associates him with Islamic radicals, all you prove is, you're a mindless childish twit who couldn't guess at the truth, let alone understand it.
Go home and practice, child. :thumbsdown:
GroundedSailor
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I did a double take when I read PJ's post. Amazing, It's ok to trump laws when its his side but when the other side is using laws to point out wrong, they are doing wrong themselves.
Might as well throw out the legal system, constitution and have anarchy.
You missed the boat. This about an illegal political organization. With illegal funding, illegally registered therefore making illegal ads.
"edit" The poison fruit doctrine applies even if the ads are slightly true.
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moveon has registered, these guys haven't. you're supposed to register if just about all you do is political.
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i'm not sure political advocacy is 'promotion of social welfare' so i don't know how DLC, moveon.org, or this AIP qualifies. at least NRA has a lot of classes and training. league of women voters, another 501(c)(4) does not endorse any candidate but does come out with positions on issues. it also publishes a pretty good voting guide.
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uh huh, sure. i wonder where i can see their balance sheet?
edit: DLC seems to be more of an issues group like league of women voters. though it is, of course, partisan.
We have freedom of speech. The result is that money buys propaganda that makes bigots of unsophisticated people who then vote for the interests of money. Freedom really is slavery. Without an independent unbiased, bigoted free authority to which people turn for real truth the people in general have their lives governed by lies they have absorbed and unconsciously internalized. Only an enlightened king with the authority to exterminate liars, could possibly save us now, wouldn't you say. Either that or we will have to wait until people develop the sophistication to undo their own internal programming, which of course would amount to killing ones own ego, so I won't hold my breath.
To those who can really see I bet the world must look like a circus.
To those who can really see I bet the world must look like a circus.
jonks
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Sigh. You're right, the lines I wrote above have nothing to do with this ad. What they had to do with was your lamentation (which you for some reason snipped) "whatever happened to free speech?" The lines above respond to your statement, not the ad. Nothing happened to free speech. It always has and always will have some limits imposed on it. McCain (of McCain-Feingold) happens to have some opinions regarding limiting donations as speech in political campaigns/elections.
shira
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Did you even bother reading the other posts?
The complete issue is that a so-called qualified non-profit corporations (QNC) can register as a 501(c)(4) group and accept more than $5000 from an individual only if the primary purpose of the group isn't political. In other words, the majority of the group's spending must NOT be for political purposes. Yet this group has accepted $2.9 million from a single donor, and its ONLY activity so far is this attack ad against Obama.
I realize complexity and nuance is difficult for those on the right, but even they ought to be able to understand that AIP appears to be in violation of FEC regulations.
shira
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Are you arguing that if a person believes a law is unjust, they ought to break it and not expect to be prosecuted?
Let's also take a step back here and ask about this ad: Does any principled person on the right sincerely believe that because Obama had associations 10 to 15 years ago with someone who was disreputable 30 years before that, that means Obama is somehow a supporter of anarchy?
This ad is just one more example of negative (and dishonest) advertising. We all know it works, but that doesn't make it honorable.
Free speech? It wasn't free, at all. Simmons, a Texas billionaire, paid nearly $3M to have it produced and aired in a way that attempts to keep him out of the picture... by a "group" that really hasn't done anything else, apparently... merely a front, and one not properly formulated or registered for the purpose.
If Simmons wants to air such ads with his name on 'em, he's welcome to do so, but then assumes full liability for the content...
What happened to that rightwing catchphrase about personal responsibility, anyway?
If Simmons wants to air such ads with his name on 'em, he's welcome to do so, but then assumes full liability for the content...
What happened to that rightwing catchphrase about personal responsibility, anyway?
I've got news for you: The full extent of Ayers' connection with Obama hasn't been exposed in the mainstream media yet. It's coming though, and it's going to make Obama look bad.
Bitek
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As bad as McCain cheating and lying to his 1st wife after she became crippled and disfigured, and then to leave her to marry a rich heiress and buy her silence off with the promise of covering her needed healthcare for the rest of her lonely life?
Yeah, that about equates with being on the board of a charity with some dbag who did shit when Obama was 5, and apparently not bad enough that he's still not in prison.
That ad is slander. He was never involved with Ayers at that time. A lot of people did some pretty nasty things in the 60's. Hell John McCain was friends with Strom, who ran for president as a white supremacist. Does that make John McCain guilty?
frostedflakes
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FWIW, about Ayers' statements on the bombings (from Wikipedia)
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to the New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[17] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[10] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[18] In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[19] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[19][20] The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[10]
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to the New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[17] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[10] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[18] In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[19] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[19][20] The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[10]
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