Obama says that new AZ immigration law is "unenforceable"

[Vic]

Ihre Papiere bitte.

 

[Zebo]

excellent post.

I'm waiting for politicians to say that since we'll never stop all the tax cheats and relies on profiling (i.e. That subset of people with incomes), the income tax is therefore unenforceable and will be ignored forthwith.

lol

 

[blackangst1]

When politicians, or others, speak of "immigration reform", what do they mean? Aside from amnesty, I havent seen any kind of plan to "reform" our current law.

I would LOVE to see ideas though.

The only reform we really need is to cut down visa processing times, and staff to be a little more thorough (which means increasing staffing to USCIS). But the process itself is sound.

And Obama's comments are...well...bullshit.

 

[Vic]

The law is in fact as unenforceable as the drug war. And just as unconstitutional.

But hey, I say go ahead and let AZ have its law. For the very fact that it is unenforceable. And I don't live there. May Arizonians enjoy the pointless expense.

 

[blackangst1]

The law is in fact as unenforceable as the drug war. And just as unconstitutional.

But hey, I say go ahead and let AZ have its law. For the very fact that it is unenforceable. And I don't live there. May Arizonians enjoy the pointless expense.

Which expense would that be?

 

[Vic]

Which expense would that be?

Are you trying to imply that law enforcement costs nothing?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

It is only unenforceable to those who refuse to actually enforce the laws on the books.

Obama and the pro-illegal crowd have no other credible view point that they can use to derail this law other then to falsely say "Well guys we just can't do it, sorry." even though they done ZERO, ZILCH, NADA when it comes to enforcement and in many cases gone after measures (such as going after businesses whom employ illegals) which they know would force them to act.

 

[UberNeuman]

It is only unenforceable to those who refuse to actually enforce the laws on the books.

Obama and the pro-illegal crowd have no other credible view point that they can use to derail this law other then to falsely say "Well guys we just can't do it, sorry." even though they done ZERO, ZILCH, NADA when it comes to enforcement and in many cases gone after measures (such as going after businesses whom employ illegals) which they know would force them to act.

....and all of this just happened this year...

but WE THE PEOPLE can stop it by supporting:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

....and all of this just happened this year...

Obama is in charge today is he not?

He and feds refuse to enforce our laws, refuse to fix a problem which has been on going but is also only getting worse and worse as time goes passes. Instead he would rather placate and demonize a state which has decided to take action when he and the feds refuse to anything about illegal immigration as it conforms to actually honoring the laws on the books at a fed level.

 

[Vic]

It is only unenforceable to those who refuse to actually enforce the laws on the books.

Obama and the pro-illegal crowd have no other credible view point that they can use to derail this law other then to falsely say "Well guys we just can't do it, sorry." even though they done ZERO, ZILCH, NADA when it comes to enforcement and in many cases gone after measures (such as going after businesses whom employ illegals) which they know would force them to act.

I don't want to derail this law. Quite the contrary, I think it will be yet another fascinating case study in the failures of prohibitionist authoritarianism.

 

[Vic]

Obama is in charge today is he not?

He and feds refuse to enforce our laws, refuse to fix a problem which has been on going but is also only getting worse and worse as time goes passes. Instead he would rather placate and demonize a state which has decided to take action when he and the feds refuse to anything about illegal immigration as it conforms to actually honoring the laws on the books at a fed level.

"The mice voted to bell the cat."

 

[UberNeuman]

Obama is in charge today is he not?

He and feds refuse to enforce our laws, refuse to fix a problem which has been on going but is also only getting worse and worse as time goes passes. Instead he would rather placate and demonize a state which has decided to take action when he and the feds refuse to anything about illegal immigration as it conforms to actually honoring the laws on the books at a fed level.

So, it would be fair to say you indict Presidents, Bush II (two terms), Clinton (two terms), Bush I, (one term) and Reagan (two terms), all as a cabal in not enforcing the law?

\would that be fair to say?

 

[blackangst1]

Are you trying to imply that law enforcement costs nothing?

No, Im asking what additional expense does this law impose?

 

[cubby1223]

First it was called racist, but that didn't stick with the media.
Then it was called an assault on civil rights, but that didn't stick with the media.
Then it was called out for changing federal immigration policy, but that didn't stick with the media.
Then it was called misguided because it is unenforceable, but that didn't stick with the media.


"Progressives" are running out of options and they are running out of time before the mid-term elections hit.


And there probably *still* is doubt whether Obama has yet to even read the bill - but that's okay, for we all know the President's time is better spent listening to McCartney bashing Bush.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So, it would be fair to say you indict Presidents, Bush II (two terms), Clinton (two terms), Bush I, (one term) and Reagan (two terms), all as a cabal in not enforcing the law?

\would that be fair to say?

So you would rather ignore what this administration is failing to do on the issue at hand and instead derail this thread by focusing on "but...but..they did it too!!" politics to excuse what is happening today? If that is so then there is no point in talking to you period because it seems your intent is derail any criticism directed at Obama for his backassward stance and comments on the issue.

 

[Red Dawn]

So you would rather ignore what this administration is failing to do on the issue at hand and instead derail this thread by focusing on "but...but..they did it too!!" politics to excuse what is happening today? If that is so then there is no point in talking to you period because it seems your intent is derail any criticism directed at Obama for his backassward stance and comments on the issue.

He's just commenting that it's ingeniousness of you Wingnuts to start bemoaning the situation while you sat on your hands when your team did absolutely nothing about it.

 

[Double Trouble]

He's just commenting that it's ingeniousness of you Wingnuts to start bemoaning the situation while you sat on your hands when your team did absolutely nothing about it.

The shameful truth is that neither party wants to fix the problem, each for different set of reasons. This is a hot-button political issue because the average person is getting fed up with illegal immigration, but neither party actually wants to do anything about it, they just want to figure out how to use it for political gain.

Of course, there is a difference between not doing anything about it (Clinton/Bush etc etc), and actively demonizing, bashing and punishing anyone who does try to do something about it. Applauding the president of Mexico while he's bashing a US state is much worse than inaction.

 

[StageLeft]

Obama doesn't have a meaningful immigration overhaul approach. Not one that most citizens want to hear.

 

[Red Dawn]

Obama doesn't have a meaningful immigration overhaul approach. Not one that most citizens want to hear.

Yeah his is like Ronald Waxheads, amnesty but since it's not Waxhead doing it they are against it.

 

[PokerGuy]

Yeah his is like Ronald Waxheads, amnesty but since it's not Waxhead doing it they are against it.

Reagan was one of the greatest presidents of all time, but that's the one thing he majorly majorly screwed up. After all, here we are 20+ years later and all those people getting amnesty did nothing to stem the flow, we have 20 million new illegals that have come over since then. Now Obummer wants to do the same thing again.

 

[Vic]

No, Im asking what additional expense does this law impose?

Isn't the argument that the law is not being enforced at this time?

 

[PokerGuy]

Isn't the argument that the law is not being enforced at this time?

LEO's are not going to have to do much incremental work related to this. These are people that have already been detained for some issue/offense. Asking them an additional question or two isn't going to cost anything. That's a red herring.

 

[Rangoric]

LEO's are not going to have to do much incremental work related to this. These are people that have already been detained for some issue/offense. Asking them an additional question or two isn't going to cost anything. That's a red herring.

Add 10 seconds to each person detained.
Per Cop

That adds up.

THEN you have the actual enforcement of the law once you find an illegal.

Are you so dense as to think this enforcement WON'T cost money?

Or are other laws going to go unenforced while you enforce this one (Opportunity Cost)?

 

[Red Dawn]

Reagan was one of the greatest presidents of all time, but that's the one thing he majorly majorly screwed up. After all, here we are 20+ years later and all those people getting amnesty did nothing to stem the flow, we have 20 million new illegals that have come over since then. Now Obummer wants to do the same thing again.

Got to give it up for old Waxhead, he took on terrorism by invading Greneda when attacked in Beirut and sold Arms to our allies Iran..oh wait

 

[spidey07]

Add 10 seconds to each person detained.
Per Cop

That adds up.

THEN you have the actual enforcement of the law once you find an illegal.

Are you so dense as to think this enforcement WON'T cost money?

Or are other laws going to go unenforced while you enforce this one (Opportunity Cost)?

All the money the state will save from getting rid of illegals will more than pay for the enforcement. With illegals now scared to be in the state they are self deporting so the problem is fixing itself with ZERO dollars spent.