Obama says Iran is breaking the rules

[ultimatebob]

I'm not sure why the US really needs to worry about this. I'm sure that Israel has no intention of letting Iran get nukes, and they have enough military power to take care of this themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I'm not sure why the US really needs to worry about this. I'm sure that Israel has no intention of letting Iran get nukes, and they have enough military power to take care of this themselves.

No, they probably don't.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: bamacre
Enforcing economic sanctions is an act of war. The sanctions placed upon Iraq helped cause the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, and was one of the main reasons given by OBL for the 9/11 attacks.

Iran is not a threat to the USA, nor was Iraq. It's a damn shame the left is as pro-war as the previous nutjobs we had in office.

I'm with Bamacre on this one. Iran is not a threat to the United States. The only reason they might be is if we meddle endlessly in their affairs. Shut up about them and leave them alone and just influence them through flooding them with culture and goods through trade in my opinion...and we'd be much better off .

Yes Iran will not effect anyone. We do not live in a gobalized economy. We do not need Oil. Nuclear weapons are for everyone. AckmaI'mamadman is sane. We should trust him. He does not support directly through money and men to terrorism and has killed American soldiers. He loves America. He treats women/ people like gold.

you call some people pro-war.

I'm gonna label you pro-lackofcommonsense.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: bamacre
Enforcing economic sanctions is an act of war. The sanctions placed upon Iraq helped cause the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, and was one of the main reasons given by OBL for the 9/11 attacks.

Iran is not a threat to the USA, nor was Iraq. It's a damn shame the left is as pro-war as the previous nutjobs we had in office.

I'm with Bamacre on this one. Iran is not a threat to the United States. The only reason they might be is if we meddle endlessly in their affairs. Shut up about them and leave them alone and just influence them through flooding them with culture and goods through trade in my opinion...and we'd be much better off .

Yes Iran will not effect anyone. We do not live in a gobalized economy. We do not need Oil. Nuclear weapons are for everyone. AckmaI'mamadman is sane. We should trust him. He does not support directly through money and men to terrorism and has killed American soldiers. He loves America. He treats women/ people like gold.

you call some people pro-war.

I'm gonna label you pro-lackofcommonsense.

If you understand that we need oil, then you should not be promoting an attack on Iran. You also know that Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran, right?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: bamacre
Enforcing economic sanctions is an act of war. The sanctions placed upon Iraq helped cause the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, and was one of the main reasons given by OBL for the 9/11 attacks.

Iran is not a threat to the USA, nor was Iraq. It's a damn shame the left is as pro-war as the previous nutjobs we had in office.

I'm with Bamacre on this one. Iran is not a threat to the United States. The only reason they might be is if we meddle endlessly in their affairs. Shut up about them and leave them alone and just influence them through flooding them with culture and goods through trade in my opinion...and we'd be much better off .

Yes Iran will not effect anyone. We do not live in a gobalized economy. We do not need Oil. Nuclear weapons are for everyone. AckmaI'mamadman is sane. We should trust him. He does not support directly through money and men to terrorism and has killed American soldiers. He loves America. He treats women/ people like gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

you call some people pro-war.

I'm gonna label you pro-lackofcommonsense.

:roll:

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I'm not sure why the US really needs to worry about this. I'm sure that Israel has no intention of letting Iran get nukes, and they have enough military power to take care of this themselves.

No, they probably don't.

I don't know about that... when you compare the Israeli and Iranian air forces, it looks like it would be an Iranian turkey shoot if these guys ever had a war.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: Atheus


If we followed your way of thinking then every nation should be allowed to have nuclear weapons...hmmm

Well either that or no nations at all...

...and how is that so 'wacko'? Seems logical to me. Can you make a logical arguement as to why only some countries can have them and not others?

I would be happy if Iran developed nukes especially because the bully in the backyard has them and would not hesitate to use them. And if the rules mean anything why are they "allowed" to bend them while Iran is not. It's all bullshit. No wonder the world hates American policies.

You appear to live in Pakistan. So you'd be happy AND severely irradiated?

[/quote]
Are you fucking crazy? Ideally nobody would have nukes, just reactors that produce rainbows as waste. But since that's not the way the word works, I would rather the stable governments of the world have nukes, and the unstable governments (e.g., IRAN) not have them. It's not about who has the moral right to have them, it's about which governments will collapse in the near future, thus putting nuclear arms on the black market. Far worse than Iran having a working nuclear missile is the idea of some terrorists having it, but us having no idea where it is.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

But then, youre a visionary.

You're learning

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

If Iran nukes their neighbors, I think we should launch a nuclear missile at them.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

If Iran nukes their neighbors, I think we should launch a nuclear missile at them.

Shhhhhhh don't tell that to the partisan hack it will blow his little fucking mind.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

If Iran nukes their neighbors, I think we should launch a nuclear missile at them.

Fair enough. But IMO we wouldnt need to.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

If Iran nukes their neighbors, I think we should launch a nuclear missile at them.

Fair enough. But IMO we wouldnt need to.

Short of us being attacked, I don't think there is any situation in which we'd need to. But we have long held a protection stance for many of our allies in case they were attacked, and I believe we'd be entitled to provide nuclear retaliation capabilities when they have near 0 cost/risk for us and could protect the sovereignty of our allies.

I understand some people hate the thought of using nuclear weapons, and you may be one of them (not judging because I don't know your full stance on the matter), I can understand that.

As you may have noticed from my other posts on this forum I am against the "country building" tactics we have used in many countries as of late, simply protecting our allies with a couples calls and launch codes though? I can't oppose that.

 

[Lemon law]

What happened to if Israel Nukes a neighbor we should peg a nuke at them?

Because to even dent deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel will probably have to use nuclear powered bunker busters.

And what happened to the fact that Israel would be committing an act of war by bombing Iran even if it uses conventional weapons?
And the then resultant right for Iran to retaliate against Israel? Or the fact, that no matter what, Israel must overfly other countries
to reach Iran, with that too being an act of war. As it is, Uncle Sammy is obligated to defend Iraqi air space, the other route that really strains the range of Israeli planes are over Syria and Turkey. Syria may not have much air defense capacity, but let us just say that Turkey is going to be far less than amused, especially when its legislature had say NO to its leadership on one prior occasion. My bet is that Turkey would scramble its planes and Iran would have the needed warning.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Josh
Topic Title: Brain scans 1 step closer to reality

Who gives a fuck.

If Iran uses a Nuke we get to turn the fucking piece of shit into glass, end of problem.

So your idea is to nuke a country that didnt attack the US? Because they certainly cant.

Brilliant idea. But then, youre a visionary.

If Iran nukes their neighbors, I think we should launch a nuclear missile at them.

Fair enough. But IMO we wouldnt need to.

Short of us being attacked, I don't think there is any situation in which we'd need to. But we have long held a protection stance for many of our allies in case they were attacked, and I believe we'd be entitled to provide nuclear retaliation capabilities when they have near 0 cost/risk for us and could protect the sovereignty of our allies.

I understand some people hate the thought of using nuclear weapons, and you may be one of them (not judging because I don't know your full stance on the matter), I can understand that.

As you may have noticed from my other posts on this forum I am against the "country building" tactics we have used in many countries as of late, simply protecting our allies with a couples calls and launch codes though? I can't oppose that.

Then we can agree to disagree. I have no problem with nukes, but only under the same circumstances under which we've used them before.

I also disagree with our nation building, although I *do* understand the opposite position, and admittedly have two opposing views on this subject.

 

[piasabird]

So what is O'Bamma going to do about it? Throw a fit?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So what is O'Bamma going to do about it? Throw a fit?

Do what he does best - talk

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, the US, UK, China, and Russia are meeting together to discuss sanctions on Iran. But still, as is the case of the IAEA, the decision will be made in the UN general assembly and not in the security council.

I for one see no need for immediate action regarding a facility that isn't even finished or work ready, so where is the chicken little the sky is falling panic coming from? Some talk is always better than some of the damn fool actions we have gotten our self into like the GWB invasion of Iraq. Oh those heady prewar days as we gladly marched off to war, bands played, all those mission accomplished banners, the 90% support as we gobbled up all those GWB reasons to go to war and not one proved out as correct, and now Iraq is our white elephant by pottery barn rules. Just what we need, another quagmire for Christmas. Are quagmires cheaper by the dozen? Is spread our selves even thinner a winner?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What happened to if Israel Nukes a neighbor we should peg a nuke at them?

Because to even dent deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel will probably have to use nuclear powered bunker busters.

And what happened to the fact that Israel would be committing an act of war by bombing Iran even if it uses conventional weapons?
And the then resultant right for Iran to retaliate against Israel? Or the fact, that no matter what, Israel must overfly other countries
to reach Iran, with that too being an act of war. As it is, Uncle Sammy is obligated to defend Iraqi air space, the other route that really strains the range of Israeli planes are over Syria and Turkey. Syria may not have much air defense capacity, but let us just say that Turkey is going to be far less than amused, especially when its legislature had say NO to its leadership on one prior occasion. My bet is that Turkey would scramble its planes and Iran would have the needed warning.

Thats the thing. Israel WON'T nuke its neighbors. History has shown that Israel has MUCH more of a reason to fear its neighbors than the other way around.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: bamacre
Enforcing economic sanctions is an act of war. The sanctions placed upon Iraq helped cause the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, and was one of the main reasons given by OBL for the 9/11 attacks.

Iran is not a threat to the USA, nor was Iraq. It's a damn shame the left is as pro-war as the previous nutjobs we had in office.

anothr Iran apologist...sheese.....move to Iran dude!!

Wow. I expected more from you. Does hearing that your party of choice is just as war-mongering as the other camp hurt that bad? Get the fuck over it and stop living through a partisan filter. SAME SHIT DIFFERENT FACE. We haven't had a true socially liberal president since Kennedy, and he was shot for it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Does hearing that your party of choice is just as war-mongering as the other camp hurt that bad?

What pain's JEDIYoda to no end is the idea of Israel not being able to keep everyone distracted while holding Palestinians under overwhelming military force, colonizing what little is left of their homeland out from under them, and killing off anyone who gets in their way. Granted, it's not that he even really understands this, as he has been so filled with propaganda as to have countless excuses to believe otherwise.

Regardless, the root of his fear is the possibility of Israel being left with no choice but to accept a Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine is what motivates many Zionists to push for action against Iran, just as they played a large role in pushing the invasion of Iraq. This same game has been going on for decades with different bogeymen used as distractions, while the world has constantly voted in the UNGA to end the madness, but unfortunately US veto power over the UNSC has been exploited to prevent any actionable resolutions which would otherwise provide the means to do so.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
So what is O'Bamma going to do about it? Throw a fit?

Do what he does best - talk

Yadda, yadda, yadda, or should I say pot, kettle, black?

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: bamacre
Enforcing economic sanctions is an act of war. The sanctions placed upon Iraq helped cause the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, and was one of the main reasons given by OBL for the 9/11 attacks.

Iran is not a threat to the USA, nor was Iraq. It's a damn shame the left is as pro-war as the previous nutjobs we had in office.

anothr Iran apologist...sheese.....move to Iran dude!!

Right, dude! International politics are like a football game, dude! You either pull for one side, or the other, man!

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What happened to if Israel Nukes a neighbor we should peg a nuke at them?

Because to even dent deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel will probably have to use nuclear powered bunker busters.

And what happened to the fact that Israel would be committing an act of war by bombing Iran even if it uses conventional weapons?
And the then resultant right for Iran to retaliate against Israel? Or the fact, that no matter what, Israel must overfly other countries
to reach Iran, with that too being an act of war. As it is, Uncle Sammy is obligated to defend Iraqi air space, the other route that really strains the range of Israeli planes are over Syria and Turkey. Syria may not have much air defense capacity, but let us just say that Turkey is going to be far less than amused, especially when its legislature had say NO to its leadership on one prior occasion. My bet is that Turkey would scramble its planes and Iran would have the needed warning.

Thats the thing. Israel WON'T nuke its neighbors. History has shown that Israel has MUCH more of a reason to fear its neighbors than the other way around.

Is this the same Israel that's been bombing the shit out of it's neighbors proactively? Right. They're our terrorists, though, so it's OK>