Obama says health reforms will be "fully paid for"

[Patranus]

President Obama said Friday he shares the concern of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and other moderate Democrats that a health care overhaul not compound the nation's deficits, but downplayed worries from governors about being saddled with additional burdens on Medicaid.

"We're not going to set up something that's not fully paid for," Obama said. "I agree with her on that. That's been my criteria from the start."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...9/07/24/MNQ818UKEC.DTL

I think I can see his ears grow with each new lie.

 

[TruePaige]

Obama better watch it or he is losing my vote in 2012.

 

[newnameman]

LOL

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Patranus

President Obama said Friday he shares the concern of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and other moderate Democrats that a health care overhaul not compound the nation's deficits, but downplayed worries from governors about being saddled with additional burdens on Medicaid.

"We're not going to set up something that's not fully paid for," Obama said. "I agree with her on that. That's been my criteria from the start."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...9/07/24/MNQ818UKEC.DTL

I think I can see his ears grow with each new lie.

Good job...never wait and see if something actually happens or not...Troll Now Instead!

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Patranus

President Obama said Friday he shares the concern of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and other moderate Democrats that a health care overhaul not compound the nation's deficits, but downplayed worries from governors about being saddled with additional burdens on Medicaid.

"We're not going to set up something that's not fully paid for," Obama said. "I agree with her on that. That's been my criteria from the start."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...9/07/24/MNQ818UKEC.DTL

I think I can see his ears grow with each new lie.

Good job...never wait and see if something actually happens or not...Troll Now Instead!

Well according to the CBO - the gold standard benchmark - it is impossible.

 

[themusgrat]

I really liked this one:

There is agreement on 80 to 90 percent of the changes, he said, while the rest - such as how to pay for an expansion of care, a "public option" of government provided insurance and ways to tame cost inflation - will be hammered out.

Such small things. But you know, it's the little things in life that make it worth living. ..............................

 

[Slew Foot]

Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

not that huge a raise... especially for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hear the cackling of geese.

 

[nageov3t]

wtb: details

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

not that huge a raise... especially for you.

Yeah, just teh evulz rich. You know, the ones who make more than $30k/year.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

you seem to overlook the proposed mandate that everyone be required to purchase insurance or be subject to fine. If fully implemented and enforced this alone will create billions in revenue for a public plan.

But your obviously not interested in digging into the details and making informed comments, its much easier to just throw out another tired ignorant generalization.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

you seem to overlook the proposed mandate that everyone be required to purchase insurance or be subject to fine. If fully implemented and enforced this alone will create billions in revenue for a public plan.

But your obviously not interested in digging into the details and making informed comments, its much easier to just throw out another tired ignorant generalization.

The only way to make this "public plan" affordable is to subsidize it was.....tax payer money.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Patranus

President Obama said Friday he shares the concern of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and other moderate Democrats that a health care overhaul not compound the nation's deficits, but downplayed worries from governors about being saddled with additional burdens on Medicaid.

"We're not going to set up something that's not fully paid for," Obama said. "I agree with her on that. That's been my criteria from the start."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...9/07/24/MNQ818UKEC.DTL

I think I can see his ears grow with each new lie.

Good job...never wait and see if something actually happens or not...Troll Now Instead!

Well according to the CBO - the gold standard benchmark - it is impossible.

The gold standard:roll: the CBO has never even come close to correctly projecting budget deficiets in the past what makes you think they can now. And with the amount of variables in play on this bill there is even less likelyhood that their projections are accurate.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

you seem to overlook the proposed mandate that everyone be required to purchase insurance or be subject to fine. If fully implemented and enforced this alone will create billions in revenue for a public plan.

But your obviously not interested in digging into the details and making informed comments, its much easier to just throw out another tired ignorant generalization.

The only way to make this "public plan" affordable is to subsidize it was.....tax payer money.

Bad assumption, your assuming all the uninsured are unemployed and poor which is just not the case. The majority of the uninsured work for employers who will be required by law to provide insurance or pony up an equivalent amount in penalty. The unemployed and poor are already covered under medicaid in most cases

The one size fits all right wing argument that "everything will be paid for with tax increases" is weak sauce

 

[Acanthus]

Like i said in the other thread. The retail industry is going to get bitchslapped if this passes.

Employers like Walmart will intentionally work their employees 38.5 hours a week so they can keep them part time.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

you seem to overlook the proposed mandate that everyone be required to purchase insurance or be subject to fine. If fully implemented and enforced this alone will create billions in revenue for a public plan.

But your obviously not interested in digging into the details and making informed comments, its much easier to just throw out another tired ignorant generalization.

The only way to make this "public plan" affordable is to subsidize it was.....tax payer money.

Bad assumption, your assuming all the uninsured are unemployed and poor which is just not the case. The majority of the uninsured work for employers who will be required by law to provide insurance or pony up an equivalent amount in penalty. The unemployed and poor are already covered under medicaid in most cases

The one size fits all right wing argument that "everything will be paid for with tax increases" is weak sauce

The money has to come from somewhere. It can be borrowed, taxed, or printed. Each has its own effect on the economy.

If you tax employers do you think that will come out of the bosses pocket or do you think companies will just cut employees. If you impose "fees" on companies do you think companies will hand out raises? Think about it for a second.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

The one size fits all right wing argument that "everything will be paid for with tax increases" is weak sauce

So the government should continue to borrow money it doesn't have and further devalue the dollar just so everyone can have this? Do you have another way to pay for this that no one else has thought of?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Fully paid for by a huge raise in your taxes.

not that huge a raise... especially for you.

Yeah, just teh evulz rich. You know, the ones who make more than $30k/year.

uh... no.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

The one size fits all right wing argument that "everything will be paid for with tax increases" is weak sauce

So the government should continue to borrow money it doesn't have and further devalue the dollar just so everyone can have this? Do you have another way to pay for this that no one else has thought of?

Print money.... but that is equally bad 🙁

 

[Vic]

Nothing worse than wingnuts pretending they actually give a shit about budget deficits :roll:

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Like i said in the other thread. The retail industry is going to get bitchslapped if this passes.

Employers like Walmart will intentionally work their employees 38.5 hours a week so they can keep them part time.

They already do that now, and instruct their workers how to apply for Medicaid.

 

[EXman]

yea but the initial 235 billion slush money doesn't count and Arthur Anderson/Enron is doing his books as well.

Funny thing is only if it worked perfectly would it be... naw still would not be possible...

watching CNN this morning and it was NON STOP COMMERCIAL after flipping Commercial of pro obamacare.

Kudos to the congress and senate for not rubber stamping this rubbish of a bill that obama has ants in his pants for.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: loki8481
wtb: details

i lol'ed.

This whole UHC transition will be epically sad. Eventually we need to end up with a more cost effective system but not like this.

I have now read a better part of 300 pages of the UHC bill. I'm not gonna read anymore of it. I don't know; but maybe the bill references, somewhere, some technical report(s) or actual real plans for the UHC system. If not then, "fuck"... If i wrote a business plan for a start up company of the 'quality' UHC bill, VC's would literally shit on my face and walk out of the meeting laughing their asses off.

Can someone help me out... is there actually a section in the bill that has hard numbers for the expected budget, the org chart, projections of workloads in various sections of the system? Or is this all supposed to be figured out later by some collection of dudes and dudets who have carte blanc authority to do whatever the hell they think is 'best'?

Like i said, perhaps i am simply ignorant because I have not read the ENTIRE bill and missed the good part(s). My biggest question in all of this is "Pay for what?! What the fuck is in the bill that the CBO or others used to flesh out an actual budget for what the bills' UHC system would cost?"

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Like i said in the other thread. The retail industry is going to get bitchslapped if this passes.

Employers like Walmart will intentionally work their employees 38.5 hours a week so they can keep them part time.

Considering Wal-mart already supports universal health care, I don't think that's going to be the case.