Obama said no border security for political reasons

[Danube]

"Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, "The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'"


Remarks are about 4 minutes in but rest of vid is good too



http://www.breitbart.tv/sen-kyl-say...ure-mexican-borderwants-it-open-for-leverage/


Speaking of political opportunism - Obama's Gulf Spill panel is full of anti-oil types and another example of using a crisis for political gain

Obama spill panel big on policy, not engineering



WASHINGTON – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about "America's addiction to oil." One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard's engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it's in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management.

The White House said the commission will focus on the government's "too cozy" relationship with the oil industry. A presidential spokesman said panel members will "consult the best minds and subject matter experts" as they do their work.

The commission has yet to meet, yet some panel members had made their views known.

Environmental activist Frances Beinecke on May 27 blogged: "We can blame BP for the disaster and we should. We can blame lack of adequate government oversight for the disaster and we should. But in the end, we also must place the blame where it originated: America's addiction to oil." And on June 3, May 27, May 22, May 18, May 4, she called for bans on drilling offshore and the Arctic.

"Even as questions persist, there is one thing I know for certain: the Gulf oil spill isn't just an accident. It's the result of a failed energy policy," Beinecke wrote on May 20.

Two other commissioners also have gone public to urge bans on drilling.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_commission

 

[umbrella39]

Phew. For a minute there I thought the emails had stopped flooding your inbox. Thanks for sharing wonders what the previous president's reasons were for not securing the border. I did love the reactions to Kyl's pandering 4 minutes in. Nice furry ballcap btw.

 

[UberNeuman]

"Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, "The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'"


Remarks are about 4 minutes in but rest of vid is good too



http://www.breitbart.tv/sen-kyl-say...ure-mexican-borderwants-it-open-for-leverage/


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_commission

Breitbart.

 

[Danube]

Phew. For a minute there I thought the emails had stopped flooding your inbox. Thanks for sharing wonders what the previous president's reasons were for not securing the border. I did love the reactions to Kyl's pandering 4 minutes in. Nice furry ballcap btw.

It's true Bush was a wacko on immigration. But he didn't side with Mexico against a state (AZ) following fed law. He certainly didn't sue the same state.

He also wavied the Jones Act for Katrina. Obama has not done so because he likes the spill.

 

[Danube]

Breitbart.

Youtube

 

[UberNeuman]

Youtube

Breitbart - the haven of crazy that even makes Fox "news" look respectable...

/hell, Breitbart makes Coast to Coast AM look reasonable..

 

[Danube]

Breitbart - the haven of crazy that even makes Fox "news" look respectable...

/hell, Breitbart makes Coast to Coast AM look reasonable..

Lol - Breitbart just linked Youtube vid. There was virtually no editorial remarks at all. Libs love Fox anyway

 

[UberNeuman]

Lol - Breitbart just linked Youtube vid. There was virtually no editorial remarks at all. Libs love Fox anyway

you say that... like it means something...



/Breitbart is pandering garbage....
//I talked to Obama and he told me the FEMA camps are ready.... just waiting for the right time...

 

[dammitgibs]

you say that... like it means something...



/Breitbart is pandering garbage....
//I talked to Obama and he told me the FEMA camps are ready.... just waiting for the right time...

Good work, if nothing else try and discredit the source, no need to provide any substantial evidence to backup your claim, just keep screaming about how crazy they are.

 

[UberNeuman]

Good work, if nothing else try and discredit the source, no need to provide any substantial evidence to backup your claim, just keep screaming about how crazy they are.

You don't believe me when I say that Obama told me the FEMA camps are ready for the dissenters?

\because he did....
\\i should post a video of me saying that on YOUTUBE...!!!
\\\

 

[UberNeuman]

well, dammitgibs - what you got?

"no need to provide any substantial evidence"

\come on.... what you got?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Good work, if nothing else try and discredit the source, no need to provide any substantial evidence to backup your claim, just keep screaming about how crazy they are.

what else would you expect the source to say?
Do we take the source at face value since there is nobody on Obama`s side to rebut the source???

 

[mrjminer]

So... the options are:

Believe the guy that....
1. Has consistently been proven to lie about things he claimed he would do after being elected
2. Disregards public response and expert responses on policies and continually works to implement them anyways.
3. Refuses to aid states being overrun by armed members of another country and attempts to legally sue them to stop them from helping themselves (Arizona)
4. Makes little to no attempt to control disasters impacting a large portion of the U.S. because a company caused the problem
5. Has increased the national debt the most in the shortest amount of time over any previous president... which is amazing considering Bush
*To be fair, a lot of previous Presidents have done similar things, as well.

OR...
Believe the guy that:
1. I've never heard of and know nothing about
2. Has a conflict of interest, but has gone on record to provide a plausible and reasonable explanation for the current state of Arizona
*If someone could fill in some information about Kyl, it could help

 

[Siddhartha]

So... the options are:

Believe the guy that....
1. Has consistently been proven to lie about things he claimed he would do after being elected
2. Disregards public response and expert responses on policies and continually works to implement them anyways.
3. Refuses to aid states being overrun by armed members of another country and attempts to legally sue them to stop them from helping themselves (Arizona)
4. Makes little to no attempt to control disasters impacting a large portion of the U.S. because a company caused the problem
5. Has increased the national debt the most in the shortest amount of time over any previous president... which is amazing considering Bush
*To be fair, a lot of previous Presidents have done similar things, as well.

OR...
Believe the guy that:
1. I've never heard of and know nothing about
2. Has a conflict of interest, but has gone on record to provide a plausible and reasonable explanation for the current state of Arizona
*If someone could fill in some information about Kyl, it could help

What specifically: "Has consistently been proven to lie about things he claimed he would do after being elected"? Please provide examples and links.

 

[sandorski]

The guy was given misinformation. The real reason is that Obama needs 12 million people on the Cheap to round up Whitey and ship him to FEMA Camp.

 

[boomerang]

I read this morning that Rahm Emanuel will be leaving the administration after the mid-terms. There are rumors afloat of other high ranking officials leaving too. Obama is a bitter disappointed for everyone it seems.

Since this thread is now all about deflection and changing the subject, I thought I'd get with the program.

 

[heyheybooboo]

The guy was given misinformation. The real reason is that Obama needs 12 million people on the Cheap to round up Whitey and ship him to FEMA Camp.

Thankfully, a couple million of 'em have gone home (as others continue to do so) so we don't have to worry about The Obama Secret FEMA Internment Camp For Whitey Plan.







For now

(cue the scary music)

--

 

[Jhhnn]

Kyl would say something like that, regardless of what actually transpired. Just because he feeds the outrage addiction of the rabid right doesn't mean he's believable for anybody else.

And the recent oil spill in the Gulf really is a symptom of energy policy failure. Increased domestic production won't, can't, solve our dependence on foreign sources. It's like digging around under the couch cushions for the money to make the house payment. Believing there might be enough there to cover the difference in either case is the worst form of wishful thinking and denial.

If we want to reduce that dependence, we need to use less and use alternatives. Not that such an idea meets with public favor- the electorate rejected Carter and embraced Reagan in order to pursue delusional thinking 30 years ago...

 

[shortylickens]

"Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, "The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'"

Given that the previous 6 presidents have ignored any sort of immigration reform (except Reagan grating total amnesty) I dont see what this has to do with anything.
Unless by "reform" Obama also means total amnesty, which I suspect he does.

Fuck Obama. He does nothing, takes credit for anything good that might happen, and blames everyone else for all the bad stuff.

 

[rudder]

What specifically: "Has consistently been proven to lie about things he claimed he would do after being elected"? Please provide examples and links.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Someone is keeping track.

 

[blackangst1]

Maybe Kyl made up this report too http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.%3F

PINAL COUNTY, AZ - On a single day in April, in a special cell block deep inside the Pinal County Jail, nearly 400 inmates sat awaiting trial or extradition after being detained trying to cross the Arizona border from Mexico.
Only about half of them were actually from Mexico.

On that one day in April, according to records obtained by ABC 15, Homeland Security officials were holding inmates from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, and the Sudan.

ICE officials told congressional investigators, undocumented immigrants were smuggled from the Middle East to staging areas in Central and South America, before being smuggled into the U.S.
The report says officials are also concerned about Venezuela emerging as a terrorist “hub,” with the government there issuing travel documents that can be used to obtain a U.S. visa.

Border patrol agents have also recovered military-style patches on clothing near the border. One patch contains the word “martyr” in Arabic. Another depicts a plane appearing to fly into sky scrapers. (Im sure they were coming here to provide for their families though, right? comments mine)

In 2009, according to Homeland Security documents obtained by ABC 15, ICE officials detained 45,279 undocumented immigrants classified as OTM. While the vast majority were from other Central American countries like El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, officials also arrested 10 undocumented immigrants from Iran, 10 from Iraq, six from Lebanon and 19 from Pakistan.
Through May of this year, officials had detained more than 25,000 OTM border crossers.

 

[spidey07]

It makes perfect sense really. No single logical good reason can be presented on why the border is not being secured. It has to be all political leverage to create a "crisis" (which we are in regarding illegal immigration) and use that to "do things you wouldn't otherwise be able to accomplish". With The People so much in agreement on a simple act of securing the boarder Obama does nothing.

Think it through, WHY? What happens if he does nothing? The People's outrage turns to a "just do something, anything" and Obama gets his amnesty *cough* I mean "comprehensive immigration reform".

But he's wrong on this move, The People don't want amnesty for illegals or a "pathway to citizenship". We're being invaded and the president refuses to do anything after pleas from states, that is called treason. His inaction is willful, purposeful and intentional. Break America so he can "fundamentally change it". Fucking dictator.

 

[boomerang]

Maybe Kyl made up this report too http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...ther/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.?

I've brought this up and others have too from time to time. This kind of reporting gets little reaction here from the left leaner's. This here is some bad shit.

I hope someone in Congress has got enough balls to bring this up and hammer on it until the cows come home. They haven't yet, so I won't hold my breath.

Leaving our border open is attracting far, far more than Mexicans. Some potentially extremely dangerous folks are getting in.

 

[cubby1223]

It's the same deal with the moratorium on off shore drilling, I *guarantee* this administration is holding it hostage to pass his cap & tax bill.

 

[spidey07]

More on the issue - Texas Town Arms Itself to Protect Against “Broken Border” Invasion from Mexico. I still believe we should deputize citizens and allow them to enforce the border, the federal government is failing the states, so the states MUST protect themselves.

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2010/...nst-broken-border-invasion-from-mexico-video/

Here is an outstanding video report on the “Broken Border” between the United States and Mexico, illustrated by the situation in the small Texas town of Fort Hancock, Texas. The local Sheriff has asked residents to arm themselves to assist with protecting the area against the invasion of illegal aliens that come across the border. He shows what the Federal Government has done to help – Build a fence that abruptly stops, unfinished! It is a stark image of how inept our Government has been in dealing with the situation.

Of course, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl revealed to a Tea Party Group that President Obama told him one-on-one that he would not finish the fence along the border because the GOP would not support “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” if he loses the border chaos as leverage.