Obama recess appointing Cordray

[Attic]

Is there any indication from a bipartisan firm/think tank that this new piece of government will improve the issues it is being built to improve?

Gubment is great at talking and lousy and walking and this is because there's an incredible lack of incentive for them to walk. We as voters have proved that we vote for the talk and not for the walk.

I'm not sold that the ends justify the means whenever the gubment is involved, we have seen the ends is nothing more than a mirage to perpetuate more and more means in too many incredibly expensive endeavors when the gubment is at the helm.

 

[brencat]

I can't tell you how many people I know who have had to delay retirement by 5-10 years because their 401Ks went into the shitter. People who made an honest living, didn't live outside their means, got royally screwed over too.

You are talking about 2 different things. 401k performance is linked to whatever investments you happen to be in at the time. And if you have a strong equity bias or aggressive growth bias, you are going to take a hit when the stock market hits the skids.

These people you claim to know... how were their 401ks positioned in the runup to the Lehman failure in 2008 when the bubble was getting bigger and bigger (like 2005, 2006, and 2007) ? Long and strong, right ?? Well, any genius could have seen the train wreck coming. If they were too clueless or greedy (oh noes!) to get out or move more into cash, then that is THEIR problem, not mine nor yours. A person who is close to retirement should never be more than 40-50% invested in equities, and probably less.

I didn't lose 40% in 2008 because I'm not an idiot. Then again, my Dad told me about 2 people he knows who retired about the same time he did (2003) living in gated communities in FL who were 90% invested in stocks and got rinsed when it all came crashing down. Sucks to be them. That's life.

 

[RedChief]

To the Obama apologists applauding the NSLB appointments, how long long should the Senate take considering the appointments before Obama just recess appoints them?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I was against it when the Republicans did it and against it when the Dems do it.

Saying that politics needs a overhaul. BOTH parties will stall and do whatever they can to prevent someone they don't want wich leads to bullshit like this. the two sides need to work together for the US people. oh what the fuck am i saying like that will happen.


those applauding this though. What side of the fence where you on when bush did it? i bet most were against but will find a stupid reason to justify it.

A president needs to be able to implement his/her agenda for the country, regardless of whether or not I necessarily agree with it. Fillibuster should be saved for all but the most dire of matters, not used to the degree it is today.

It was wrong when the Democrats did it. It's wrong when the Republicans do it.

 

[Jhhnn]

To the Obama apologists applauding the NSLB appointments, how long long should the Senate take considering the appointments before Obama just recess appoints them?

You assume that actual consideration was taking place. It wasn't.

Republican leaders are *ideologically opposed* to financial regulation regardless of who gets hurt in bursting bubbles of financial elite greed. They'd gladly wind the clock back to 1927, with bonus "financial innovations" kept in place to expedite thievery & insider looting.

So they'll do what they can to hobble any sort of regulation, particularly the kind that honest business will accept as reasonable.

 

[werepossum]

A president needs to be able to implement his/her agenda for the country, regardless of whether or not I necessarily agree with it. Fillibuster should be saved for all but the most dire of matters, not used to the degree it is today.

It was wrong when the Democrats did it. It's wrong when the Republicans do it.

One problem is that a filibuster today doesn't require actual presence, merely voting against cloture. At least when Senator Byrd read his mother's phone book to oppose any bill without enough West Virginia pork we all got to see he was an idiot.

 

[PokerGuy]

To the Obama apologists applauding the NSLB appointments, how long long should the Senate take considering the appointments before Obama just recess appoints them?

Heck, this president (and his fellow idiots) thinks it's perfectly fine to make recess appointments when the senate is actually in session. Why even get senate votes on any appointment anymore, why not just recess appoint everyone? Oh wait, that pesky constitution could get in the way, but that doesn't bother dimlibs.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heck, this president (and his fellow idiots) thinks it's perfectly fine to make recess appointments when the senate is actually in session. Why even get senate votes on any appointment anymore, why not just recess appoint everyone? Oh wait, that pesky constitution could get in the way, but that doesn't bother dimlibs.

Except that it's not really in session. It's just a deception for them to claim that they are, and anybody with half a brain needs to acknowledge that.

 

[PokerGuy]

Except that it's not really in session. It's just a deception for them to claim that they are, and anybody with half a brain needs to acknowledge that.

They were in session according to senate rules. Who gets to decide what's "really" in session? This is a complete power grab by the president, and congress should be united to not stand for it, but the idiots with a D by their name won't do anything against the dear leader, so it falls to the other side to try to take action.

 

[RedChief]

You assume that actual consideration was taking place. It wasn't.

Republican leaders are *ideologically opposed* to financial regulation regardless of who gets hurt in bursting bubbles of financial elite greed. They'd gladly wind the clock back to 1927, with bonus "financial innovations" kept in place to expedite thievery & insider looting.

So they'll do what they can to hobble any sort of regulation, particularly the kind that honest business will accept as reasonable.

I'm not talking about Cordray but the 3 people appointed to the NSLB.

So will you answer the question or just spout out more ignorant republican hate?

 

[RedChief]

Heck, this president (and his fellow idiots) thinks it's perfectly fine to make recess appointments when the senate is actually in session. Why even get senate votes on any appointment anymore, why not just recess appoint everyone? Oh wait, that pesky constitution could get in the way, but that doesn't bother dimlibs.

Actually, under this administration, the will probably use a bathroom recess as a excuse to do a recess appointment.

 

[dmcowen674]

More at link:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio:

"It's clear the president would rather trample our system of separation of powers than work with Republicans to move the country forward."

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This is the president leading. This is congress getting (moved) the f*ck out of the way.

It's clear there is no "working" with Republicans.

The Messiah has to save us from these evil bastards.

 

[theeedude]

To the Obama apologists applauding the NSLB appointments, how long long should the Senate take considering the appointments before Obama just recess appoints them?

The Senate was BLOCKED from considering these nominees by a Republican minority. The Republican member was nominated last January, not sure about the others. A year is more than enough time for Senate to exercise its advice and consent if it so desired.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...nnounces-another-key-administration-post-1511

 

[RedChief]

The Senate was BLOCKED from considering these nominees by a Republican minority. The Republican member was nominated last January, not sure about the others. A year is more than enough time for Senate to exercise its advice and consent if it so desired.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...nnounces-another-key-administration-post-1511

Wrong.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ential-nominations-and-withdrawal-sent-senate

The 2 or the 3 recess appointments were nominated less then three weeks ago. The was no time for the Senate to Advise and Constent. What Obama has done is a abuse of power.

 

[werepossum]

Wrong.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ential-nominations-and-withdrawal-sent-senate

The 2 or the 3 recess appointments were nominated less then three weeks ago. There was no time for the Senate to Advise and Consent. What Obama has done is a abuse of power.

You do make a good point there.

 

[dmcowen674]

What Obama has done is a abuse of power.

Good
The more he pisses you Republicans off the better, a true Messiah :thumbsup:

 

[xBiffx]

Sad state of affairs when the President has to shred the Constitution to make appointments that a Senate which his own party controls can't agree on. Welcome to the Dictatorship of the States of America.

 

[RedChief]

Oh, and what did Reid block of Bush by keeping the Senate in session? Steve Bradbury’s appointment to head DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel for one.

To quote Reid - “I had to keep the Senate in pro forma session to block the Bradbury appointment, that necessarily meant no recess appointments could be made."

 

[theeedude]

Wrong.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ential-nominations-and-withdrawal-sent-senate

The 2 or the 3 recess appointments were nominated less then three weeks ago. The was no time for the Senate to Advise and Constent. What Obama has done is a abuse of power.

Did Republicans advice and consent on the guy nominated 1 year ago? Did they advice and consent on previous Obama NRLB nominees?
They have demonstrated their intent to block the agency from functioning by refusing to allow the Senate to vote on nominees.

 

[RedChief]

Did Republicans advice and consent on the guy nominated 1 year ago? Did they advice and consent on previous Obama NRLB nominees?
They have demonstrated their intent to block the agency from functioning by refusing to allow the Senate to vote on nominees.

And you have just proved my earlier point.

With liberals, the ends ALWAYS justify the means.

Just because Reps did it before does not give Obama the right to take a shit on the Constitution.

 

[theeedude]

And you have just proved my earlier point.

With liberals, the ends ALWAYS justify the means.

Just because Reps did it before does not give Obama the right to take a shit on the Constitution.

You dodged the question. Did GOP minority allow the Senate to advice and consent on a guy nominated 1 year ago? You going to tell me 1 year of time was not enough? Republicans must be really slow readers.

 

[xBiffx]

Did Republicans advice and consent on the guy nominated 1 year ago? Did they advice and consent on previous Obama NRLB nominees?
They have demonstrated their intent to block the agency from functioning by refusing to allow the Senate to vote on nominees.

Guess the democrats shouldn't have agreed and voted on the laws surrounding the creation of this agency. The same laws that explicitly stated that the agency could not begin without an appointed head to lead it. The previously agreed upon law was being used, legally. I agree its an underhanded way to go about stopping the creation of the agency but then again, they voted for it that way. You reap what you sow.

 

[theeedude]

Guess the democrats shouldn't have agreed and voted on the laws surrounding the creation of this agency. The same laws that explicitly stated that the agency could not begin without an appointed head to lead it. The previously agreed upon law was being used, legally. I agree its an underhanded way to go about stopping the creation of the agency but then again, they all voted for it that way. You reap what you sow.

And what the Republicans are reaping for sowing their underhanded seed is a recess appointment.

 

[RedChief]

You dodged the question. Did GOP minority allow the Senate to advice and consent on a guy nominated 1 year ago? You going to tell me 1 year of time was not enough? Republicans must be really slow readers.

What Republicans did was the same thing that Democrats did back in 07/08.

Additionally, senseamp has also revealed himself to be a standard liberal in another way. He would rather insult those he opposes rather then debate them.

 

[theeedude]

What Republicans did was the same thing that Democrats did back in 07/08.

Additionally, senseamp has also revealed himself to be a standard liberal in another way. He would rather insult those he opposes rather then debate them.

Dodging the question again. You made a claim that GOP didn't have time to exercise it's advice and consent role. Is 1 year not enough time?